Holland vs England

[Randy Bumgardener]

That my pal is the wonder of football. We can all see different aspects and produce differing views whilst watching the same game ;D

Amen to that ! ;D

 

[Gaz-NFFC]

Carlton Cole had a good half. Defoe is finally showing us he can do what Owen used to do so well, consistantly.

Yeah, Carlton Cole was impressive. He did well at holding the ball up and bringing others into play, also very unlucky not to score with a good bit of skill on that shot that went just wide. Defoe took his first goal very well.

Rio on the other hand too casual :dry: :nowink:

 

[Spring Heeled Jack]

Definately more productive than SWP

The sweatshop in my basement consisting of 12 arthritic Romanian pensioners is more productive than Shaun Wright-Phillips.

 

[Tutts]

Because he still has more talent in one leg than a lot of those in his position ! He ran the game tonight.

lol lol lol lol

What game were you watching? A few crosses that never found their target and continually failing to hold any sort of shape on the wing, does not constitute running the game to me.

Becks goes off - England score two.

 

[Tutts]

Because he still has more talent in one leg than a lot of those in his position ! He ran the game tonight.

From The Times:

David Beckham

The 34-year-old’s Major League Soccer season started last month but he looked tepid and was withdrawn at half-time. Had few chances to show his set-piece prowess and his lack of mobility was in contrast to the way the Dutch swarmed around the pitch.

Rating: 4

The Telegraph:

David Beckham: Rating 6

Started promisingly, delivering some trademark set pieces and Hollywood passes but tired very quickly and was replaced by Wright Phillips at half-time.

For me, Beckham should never start a game for England again. Although I said this a year ago, when we failed to qualify for the Euro's.

In the last few minutes of the game and you want a decent corner or free-kick, he's your man but at the beginning of the game when the midfielders are fresh and nipping passes around, like the Dutch did last night and Spain did a few months ago - he's too off the pace.

 

[klinsi]

Greece, the Leicester city of International football.............attrition rules ok. They surrendered so much midfield space to defend the back line, I could have looked creative against them.

You're absolutely right. We played them yesterday, won 2-0 and for the first time in ages we looked like a side capable of passing the ball, creating a lot of chances, quick and enjoying their football. Has Polish national team changed? Not a f***ing chance, we will be shit against any 'quality' team.

Greece played like they were searching for their wives' wedding rings on the pitch, only they forgot the metal detectors and had to do the search very slowly and thoroughly...

 

[Randy Bumgardener]

We all saw how good ratings were against Reading. Becks pulled into the centre more to push on the attacks and did it admirably. I prefer to make my own mind up on players without papers telling me what to thinK !

 

[Tutts]

We all saw how good ratings were against Reading. Becks pulled into the centre more to push on the attacks and did it admirably. I prefer to make my own mind up on players without papers telling me what to thinK !

I'd made up my own mind watching the game.

Then used the papers just to make sure I wasn't going mad. If you can find anyone outhere who thought Beckham ran the show I'd be very suprised!

 

[Randy Bumgardener]

That's your opinion. Mine and the commentators watching was very different. Believe what you want, just don't expect me to follow suit ! England were lacking the drive Gerrard usually provides. Becks pulled in closer to the middle and forced the team to push forwards !

 

[Tutts]

That's your opinion. Mine and the commentators watching was very different. Believe what you want, just don't expect me to follow suit ! England were lacking the drive Gerrard usually provides. Becks pulled in closer to the middle and forced the team to push forwards !

Don't get me started on Gerrard.

Scouse blindness aside - He completely unbalances the team in their attmepts to shoe horn him in. Should be on the bench if he can't be accomodated centrally.

 

[Jonathan]

Agreed on Gerrard.

He's very good, but Lampard scores more and I'd rather have him alongside Barry.

I reckon Milner will start on the right by next summer.

 

[DapperDan]

The sweatshop in my basement consisting of 12 arthritic Romanian pensioners is more productive than Shaun Wright-Phillips.

Damn right. Why every single time does he rather than attack the space, stumble directly into the first defender hoping for a lucky bounce or two to get past him.

He is shit, it irritates me in the extreme when he comes on.

 

[Graham]

The thing that bothers me most about Englands situation and chances of winning the world cup is the goalkeeping. Neither of the current crop of keepers are good enough in my opinion and i can't really see one sneaking through into the squad from nowhere. England used to have fantastic goalkeepers Banks, Clemence, Shilton, Parks, Corrigan. The current crop are not fit to lace their boots.

 

[Spring Heeled Jack]

Damn right. Why every single time does he rather than attack the space, stumble directly into the first defender hoping for a lucky bounce or two to get past him.

He is s**t, it irritates me in the extreme when he comes on.

Yes, that is what annoys me about him. He has pace, but he uses it in ridiculous ways, attempting to beat his man by basically running into him. SWP has proven time and time againt that he couldn't beat his wife, nevermind an international full back.

 

[weasel]

The sweatshop in my basement consisting of 12 arthritic Romanian pensioners is more productive than Shaun Wright-Phillips.

Dam right.

Beckham's past it they cried, get Wright-Phillps on there, he's got pace :

In the first half alone yesterday Beck's produced both more good attacking and defensive play than Wright-Phillips has managed in his entire England career. So Beck's doesn't beat his man? So bloody what. He whips pinpoint ball all over the field with accuracy probably better than anyone who has played the game before or since, whereas lightweight wingers like SWP (and Walcott and Lennon) waste time struggling to go past a full back before delivering a cross which is never anything close to what Beckham can produce.

He's still on of, if not the best midfielder we've got (based on Lampard and Gerrard's inability to produce club form for country) and the fact people got bored of him and McClaren booted him out of the last qualifiers is so obviously linked to us not getting there it's untrue.

 

[Matt90]

Beckham is still one of the best players in the world but needs to move back to Europe to save his career...its up to him really, money or glory?

 

[weasel]

Beckham is still one of the best players in the world but needs to move back to Europe to save his career...its up to him really, money or glory?

I think he's made his feelings perfectly clear about his desire to move back to AC Milan.

It is still incredible to think he left Europe only just into his 30s though when he could clearly have still gone to MLS when he was 35 and settled down properly.

Bloody fool.

 

[Randy Bumgardener]

I think he's made his feelings perfectly clear about his desire to move back to AC Milan.

It is still incredible to think he left Europe only just into his 30s though when he could clearly have still gone to MLS when he was 35 and settled down properly.

Bloody fool.

Unfortunately for him I fear that there were ... other factors involved in his move. The main one being reminiscent of a banshee !

 

[weasel]

Unfortunately for him I fear that there were ... other factors involved in his move. The main one being reminiscent of a banshee !

Indeed. 'Oh David, I know I've got no talent myself and it's your football ability and global success which means I can even live this lifestyle at all but I reeeeaaally wanna go to LA now, not in 3 years time so forget Madrid or Milan, you're moving to the MLS.'

Marriage, whats the point.

 

[Flaggers]

Greece at Old Trafford 2001, that day it pretty much was Greece vs David Beckham

Everyone quotes that game.

No-one can ever seem to quote another game that Beckham has ruled.

And that game pisses me off.

Give me 14 free-kicks in a game, and I'll probably get one in...

 

[Jonathan]

But a free-kick in virtually the last minute when England needed the goal?

That was special.

I'm somewhere in the middle with my views on Beckham. We don't have anyone that can stamp their authority on that position really and I'd like to see Milner do that by next summer.

 

[Anthony]

[quote='Sir' Flagman ]
Everyone quotes that game.

No-one can ever seem to quote another game that Beckham has ruled.

And that game pisses me off.

Give me 14 free-kicks in a game, and I'll probably get one in...
[/quote]

It is not just the two goals that he scored, but he seemed to be everywhere on the pitch that day, doing just about everyone's else job and you have got to admit that free kick he did score was something special!

Also the whole qualification campaign for the 2002 World Cup was pretty much run by Owen and Beckham.

 

[weasel]

[quote='Sir' Flagman ]
Everyone quotes that game.

No-one can ever seem to quote another game that Beckham has ruled.

And that game p**ses me off.

Give me 14 free-kicks in a game, and I'll probably get one in...
[/quote]

I can't give you another example of a time Beckham has 'ruled' a game like that because few people have so obviously won (or drawn) a game like that single handedly in the history of the game. It was about far more than simply his free kicks which incidently was spectacular, and no you wouln't have scored any of them

But for me he's so incredibly influential that he plays a huge part in basically every game he's involved in. It might be one corner or pinpoint cross but the fact of the matter is his delivery is so incredibly good that barely a game goes past where he doesn't either provide a goal or provide a chance that should be put away. Wright-Phillips can't even come close to having his influence.

 

[Samuel]

SWP is the most overrated player ever, we take him to the world cup and we'll quater final fodder again.

 

[winnits]

I went to that game at Old Trafford, and it's true he did pick the game up by the scruff of the neck and seem to drag England back into it (although Sheringham's introduction as a sub if memory serves was also a catalyst).

However, I don't recall ever seeing him do it in another game.