Bryn Gunn
Cash is King!
I've been off that scene for years mate so not sure who's involved anymore. Had a few beers with some of them in the Cross Keys before the Derby home game but that's about it.
I'm a 'scarfer' these days
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Hillsborough could forest fans have done more?
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I've been off that scene for years mate so not sure who's involved anymore. Had a few beers with some of them in the Cross Keys before the Derby home game but that's about it.
I'm a 'scarfer' these days
Calvin Plummer
Viv Anderson
I've been off that scene for years mate so not sure who's involved anymore. Had a few beers with some of them in the Cross Keys before the Derby home game but that's about it.
I'm a 'scarfer' these days
True for most now I imagine. I'm one of those who sits quietly in the TE, contemplating just when exactly I started to get a belly.
Homer is a Red
First Team Squad
BBC News - Hillsborough: How Liverpool and Nottingham Forest fans found common ground in tragedy
www.bbc.co.uk
Interesting read if you get a few minutes. Pretty much sums up how I've felt!
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Facing disaster - the Forest fans at Hillsborough
Ninety-seven Liverpool fans died as a result of April 1989's Hillsborough disaster. Nottingham Forest fans have been the silent witnesses of the horror that day.
www.bbc.co.uk
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alabamared
Stuart Pearce
Why this is being raised again I don't know. I was there,I saw what happened and thankyou I don't really want to be reminded.BBC News - Hillsborough: How Liverpool and Nottingham Forest fans found common ground in tragedy
Interesting read if you get a few minutes. Pretty much sums up how I've felt!Facing disaster - the Forest fans at Hillsborough
Ninety-seven Liverpool fans died as a result of April 1989's Hillsborough disaster. Nottingham Forest fans have been the silent witnesses of the horror that day.
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Captain Sinister
Senior doom Monger
Oh, so it wasn't drunken Scousers, and it wasn't the police... it was the forest fans!
Shakes head in wonder!
Shakes head in wonder!
Homer is a Red
First Team Squad
Er, that's not what the article suggests?
No denying that some Liverpoolfans have blood on their hands! However, the tragedy was the innocent victims at the front who got there well in time and were doing nothing wrong!
It's those who I still see in my mind and who the memorial should be for!
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MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
It's the thread title.
Homer is a Red
First Team Squad
Ah, OK! Sorry I couldn't find another thread that would allow me to post as the more obvious ones give me a "Locked" message.
If anyone with the power to do so would like to relocate my post, please feel free!
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Captain Sinister
Senior doom Monger
I didn't read the article: I've read enough about the terrible events that unfolded to last me a lifetime.Er, that's not what the article suggests?
No denying that some Liverpoolfans have blood on their hands! However, the tragedy was the innocent victims at the front who got there well in time and were doing nothing wrong!
It's those who I still see in my mind and who the memorial should be for!
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And I still believe, despite the poor police response that the innocents were killed in part because of drunken Liverpool supporters forcing the gates to the already rammed and caged terraces to be opened.
And i feel nothing but pity for the victims and their families.
I also blame the football authorities for not having the foresight to see that caging supporters could have tragic impacts.
They ignored key scenarios like the Bradford fire, the crush that was a regular occurrence on terraces, quite apart from the exceptional circumstances at the Hillsborough game.
They came out without a blemish... what a surprise, peop0le at the top making bad decisions not being held to account.
*Moderator hat on*
You will find that there is a good reason the legacy Hillsborough threads end up locked.
*Moderator hat off*
Alan Akbah
Geoff Thomas
While I was at the miserable Old Trafford replay I was lucky not to get a ticket for Hillsborough in 1989 so I wasn't there. I did go to the1988 game though. It wasn't a great fixture and it didn't do anything to help my view of Liverpool fans as a whole
I'm pretty much with @Captain Sinister . Most of my generation of fans, of clubs across the whole country, have said some insensitive stuff about Hillsborough over the years. However for those of us that were active home and away at the time it was largely based on our own experiences and known facts about their behaviours that even continued at Wembley as they climbed their way in just weeks after Hillsborough. Behaviours that were still going on years after at the 2005 European Cup Final in Istanbul.
That said the fact remains the 96 people that died that day, and Andrew Devine in 2021, were not to blame. They never were.
If some Forest fans are finding some comfort and mental benefit by being involved in this way then good luck to them. I'm glad it helps but I don't see the benefit of a memorial at the City Ground, certainly not some 35 years on.
For me, my gut feelings after that opening chorus at Old Trafford of "We hate Nottingham Forest" minutes after all the melancholy preamble and fund raising that we'd respected, and then Aldridge's head rub on Laws after the own goal, sum up how I will always feel about Liverpool FC as a whole.
I'm pretty much with @Captain Sinister . Most of my generation of fans, of clubs across the whole country, have said some insensitive stuff about Hillsborough over the years. However for those of us that were active home and away at the time it was largely based on our own experiences and known facts about their behaviours that even continued at Wembley as they climbed their way in just weeks after Hillsborough. Behaviours that were still going on years after at the 2005 European Cup Final in Istanbul.
That said the fact remains the 96 people that died that day, and Andrew Devine in 2021, were not to blame. They never were.
If some Forest fans are finding some comfort and mental benefit by being involved in this way then good luck to them. I'm glad it helps but I don't see the benefit of a memorial at the City Ground, certainly not some 35 years on.
For me, my gut feelings after that opening chorus at Old Trafford of "We hate Nottingham Forest" minutes after all the melancholy preamble and fund raising that we'd respected, and then Aldridge's head rub on Laws after the own goal, sum up how I will always feel about Liverpool FC as a whole.
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PlayedOnGrass
First Team Squad
100% agree
Statto
Free Kick Specialist
Forest consider Hillsborough memorial at City Ground
Nottingham Forest will consider installing a memorial at the City Ground to remember those who died in the Hillsborough disaster.
www.bbc.co.uk
Given the way some people on here and no doubt in the wider world rightly still feel about this disaster, I'm not sure the club is reading the room here.
You can see the intention and that people did die (for going to a football match which was badly managed) but the ones who did die were not the ones who were arriving late or trying to get somewhere which (they didn't know) was already full. But whatever we think about the events themselves and the blame involved, the feelings between the two clubs including immediately after in the replay... even though we played in it I can't think some fans would be pleased about it.
Liverpool yes, they were the team who had the victims. Sheffield yes, as that's where it was. Nottingham, whose fans saw the disaster but no-one was injured or killed in it, not so sure.
Statto
Free Kick Specialist
if people can behave themselves and keep things civil I don't see why newer developments can't be posted though...
Nobody is saying things cannot be posted.
It is just that every single time this subject comes up, inevitably at this time of year, previous threads have degenerated into slanging-matches and unwanted accusations about behaviours on that day.
Unfortunately it’s the „behave and keep things civil“ part that often doesn’t happen.
Mr. Blonde
Jack Burkitt
I hope there actually is a moderator hat, and that you can only moderate whilst wearing it, a bit like the conch in Lord of the Flies
Haych
John Robertson
If the club believe that having a memorial for the scousers at the City Ground will go down well then they’ve lost the plot.
Mr. Blonde
Jack Burkitt
On a serious note, I was there that day, a sixteen year old lad, along with my sister (a mere fourteen years old) and my Dad and Uncle and I still feel it in the pit of my stomach whenever the memory of what I witnessed surfaces, we all do
Why do people think those of us who were there want to relive or be reminded of the terrible events of that day?
I thought the covering of the 97 seats when we played Liverpool in the cup a couple of years ago was a nice gesture, but we don't need to do anything more and there's absolutely no need for any kind of Hillsborough memorial in Nottingham; there wasn't at the time and there certainly isn't now
Why do people think those of us who were there want to relive or be reminded of the terrible events of that day?
I thought the covering of the 97 seats when we played Liverpool in the cup a couple of years ago was a nice gesture, but we don't need to do anything more and there's absolutely no need for any kind of Hillsborough memorial in Nottingham; there wasn't at the time and there certainly isn't now
Statto
Free Kick Specialist
Provided the moderator hat never ends up with any choirboys this wouldn't be too bad
Alan Akbah
Geoff Thomas
100%, they have memorials where they matter. Even the Hillsborough families group have long moved on from the period when people often seemed to be competing in the performative grief stakes...... empty seats, releasing 96 pigeons, the mascot thing etc..... I believe that they felt it was all becoming more spectacle and show than respectful.
YellowBelly Red
Viv Anderson
The best legacy of Hillsborough, is that we have learnt many things, and football is safer now,
Just like Ibrox, Heysel, Bradford.....we learn and we move on.
Just like Ibrox, Heysel, Bradford.....we learn and we move on.
EmmersonForest4
Steve Chettle
A lot of people there that my Grandad knew also said they did push as well the Liverpool fans. The truth is that no one wants to hear is that there were bad actors everywhere on the day including Forest fans but a lot were just innocent bystanders. The way it was handled was appaling but why does no one ever talk about general fan behaviour back in the day not just Liverpool, everyone? Why were people caged in? Why do a load of people without tickets turn up? Its because footy fans in general were shits. Any set of fans would have died on that day but the lack of aknowledgement of applaing fan behaviour and culture of the time is depressing. How can we avoid any of these things if people dont admit their failings? Quite rightly the police have had their reckoning and they needed to have that for my precise reasoning how can we get better if we dont admit failings. Appaling accidents happen nobody wanted these things to happen.
eyupmeduck
Geoff Thomas
Same, I was 11 and its not a memory I really have been able to let go or don't feel some kind of way about either.
We haven't been included as part of the story for the last 35 years in truth, noone has really bothered to ask about the effect it had on us either and I wouldn't start now all these years down the line by marking the event with anything other than what we have done as our seemingly long standing position which is effectively stoicism, sympathy and leaving Liverpool the space to do what they see fit.
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Mr. Blonde
Jack Burkitt
I couldn't agree more
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