Gustavo Henrique Furtado Scarpa (sponsored by Dogtits)

[Ashley]

If the intention is that he'll be playing for Oly post-December, then he should be signing for Oly, not Forest.

Given that he is a free transfer on probably relatively modest wages, there shouldn't really be any FFP issue for either side. All signing him for Forest and loaning him to Oly achieves is annoying both sets of fans. Makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[cheapseats]

I see this as a win win for both of EM’s teams. EM can now offer players Champions League and Premier League options as suits using the loan market. Scarpa has a high pedigree as a free signing and only 28 this could be an amazing signing all round.

Yes but the clubs have to remain separate entities. Before you know if we will have complex financial origami of the sort that gets us into trouble. I think it’s very unwise. Both clubs can attract decent enough players without this nonsense.

 

[DapperDan]

Is it possible that we have paid for the last 6 months of his contract then intending to loan him to Olympiakos so that he can play in the CL from the start rather than having to wait until his contact expires?

Seems dodgy either way.

It all seems to be rumour at the minute though, how reliable are the Brazilian press with these things?

 

[Heffing Psycho!]

There won't be any trouble for it, it's the way football is now until the powers that be close that route. City have 5 or 6 teams, Watford have been doing it for years, Brentford have their Danish sister team etc.

 

[RedRobbo]

So has he signed?
If so - for who?
I‘m not sure if anyone - outside of the clubs - actually know the detail.
Until this is known - grab a beer, enjoy the Sun & chill!

 

[Erik]

I would be extremely uncomfortable if he signs for us and then disappears off to Greece for a few months.

Sends out all sorts of alarm flares and will bring into sharp focus the relationship between Olympiacos and Forest.

I also agree with our Greek friends, we know what we felt about being 'given' players from Greece, this is even worse than that. I totally see why GBG would describe it as 'demeaning'.

Hopefully it's all an error in rumour translation.

 

[Bob Fossil]

This story seems to further confirm its us, with supposed sources from the player's own club.

Player chooses to sign for Nottingham Forest despite being offered better wages elsewhere - Sport Witness

Following all the reports from Brazil regarding Gustavo Scarpa’s agreement to sign for Nottingham Forest, journalist Jorge Nicola now brings a few more details about this deal. The reporter claims to have confirmed a few extra details with a Palmeiras director. This official told Nicola it was...

sportwitness.co.uk

 

[Rzar]

What are Derby fans going to do when they hear about us taking the hit and not Olympiacos.

 

[minirock]

If rumours are true he has even signed, and potentially switched from signing to Olympiacos to us it’s interesting what the change of course was.

Not sure how true this is, but apparently Scarpa and his team were singing this to the Olympiacos manager as he was still trying to get him to sign for them after signing for us

‘Fomos campeões da Europa, você nunca vai cantar isso, nunca cantar isso, nunca cantar isso! Nós fomos campeões da Europa, você nunca canta isso!’

 

[Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.]

Scarpa ? Get outa here !

















(Apols if anyone already made that gag, I can't be arsed to check back though the thread ...)

 

[Blinkin]

We need to have a friendly relationship with Olympiacos imo and if we loan him out there and then he comes right back to us, I would be pretty miffed I were an Olympiacos supporter tbh.

We shall see.

 

[Frank Clark’s Tash]

Tbf, Forest have been on the end of some pretty shoddy deals originating from Oly. We've grumbled, but have largely just accepted that there's probably some justification behind them.

 

[Barry]

Scarpa is widely believed to be one of the best players in one of the best teams in Latin America. OK, he's 28 and has never played in Europe, but he's not your typical Brazilian, "I don't know the meaning of the words 'defence' and 'passing game'" player. And he's on a free. For you it's a win-win situation: if he adapts quickly to European football over here, you'll have a good and tested player next summer, for free. For us, it is, I repeat demeaning and damaging. We'll just test a player for your benefit, we will not make use of him in the long run and we will not benefit from him if he attracts the attention of a richer club. And it is a very frustating media disaster: he was supposed to be our main goal for January, and he was the central piece of transfer news for weeks. And now it turns out he allegedly signed for another club.

Ain't we been doing that for you though? We've had some right shitters and only stopped when that idiot that called Matt Mills shit was moved on

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[gamble]

What are Derby fans going to do when they hear about us taking the hit and not Olympiacos.

They obviously paid a 1billion £ loan fee dur

 

[karteo]

They won't do anything that is breaking the rules.

As for the moral issues of the subject this is modern football. Take it or leave it situation.

Clubs are doing these things between them and managers everyday and twice on Sunday

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[GreeksBearingGifts]

Ain't we been doing that for you though?

Νo. The vast majority of players coming over there from over here had a distinct profile: not really needed over here, let's see if they can make it over there, they'll cost nothing to Forest. But they were yours to keep if you wanted them (you did it with Cafú), and yours to sell with profit (Kapino, Tachtsidis, Ansarifard). No comparison.

 

[garibaldi]

Oly and ourselves appear to be fishing in the same pond for players now. I wonder if the next phase of the business model is to establish us as a Premier League team and reverse the clubs' roles with Oly getting the transfer fees for our fringe players (which as we know first hand in the Prem are 8 figure sums).

I can envisage some bent out of shape faces in Greece for the next few years if that is the case. But will probably do you well in the long run.

 

[Frank Clark’s Tash]

Oly and ourselves appear to be fishing in the same pond for players now. I wonder if the next phase of the business model is to establish us as a Premier League team and reverse the clubs' roles with Oly getting the transfer fees for our fringe players (which as we know first hand in the Prem are 8 figure sums).

I can envisage some bent out of shape faces in Greece for the next few years if that is the case. But will probably do you well in the long run.

It's an inalienable fact that there is a ceiling on the calibre of player that Oly will ever be able to attract, given the appeal and finances of the Greek league. Conversely the sky is theoretically the limit for clubs in the EPL...

 

[DapperDan]

It's an inalienable fact that there is a ceiling on the calibre of player that Oly will ever be able to attract, given the appeal and finances of the Greek league. Conversely the sky is theoretically the limit for clubs in the EPL...

Champions League though, something we and all but 4 or 5 teams cannot offer.

 

[valspoodle]

Meanwhile poor old Scarpa is going round in circles above Italy wondering which way to turn.

 

[garibaldi]

It's an inalienable fact that there is a ceiling on the calibre of player that Oly will ever be able to attract, given the appeal and finances of the Greek league. Conversely the sky is theoretically the limit for clubs in the EPL...

Yep it's embarrassing really the disparity between the Prem and other good leagues/clubs in Europe purely due to the TV deal gravy train.

We've even suffered it ourselves for years with ex-Prem parachute payment wankers having a leg up each season. I can't see the greed relenting however.

 

[Omar Devone Little]

Yep it's embarrassing really the disparity between the Prem and other good leagues/clubs in Europe purely due to the TV deal gravy train.

We've even suffered it ourselves for years with ex-Prem parachute payment wankers having a leg up each season. I can't see the greed relenting however.

I suppose we'll benefit from it should we go down and reap the benefits of outspending our rivals. Can go the other way though and you're so deep in the shut financially the parachute payments barely help at all. See Sunderland, Stoke, Cardiff, Huddersfield all in recent years came down as they'd overshot their loads and had nowhere to go.

I'm quite confident though that we've been smart enough with our recruitment for this not to happen, or at least nowhere near as devastingly.

 

[Red Widdow]

This is from South American football guru Tim Vickery regarding Scarpa: “As i understand it, the deal is with Forest in December - but if Olympiakos are still in the Champions League, he'll go there for 6 months.”

 

[Canadian_red]

Vickery doesn't mess about.

 

[Morpeth]

I asked this question to Vickery on his 5 Live show and he answered at 30m20s in to the show, hopefully available on BBC Sounds tomorrow.

Anyway, he said what we appear to know already; he coming to Forest at the end of his contract which expires in Nov so he’ll be here in Jan. If Olympiacos are still in the Champions League then he goes to them for six months. Palmeiras are wealthy so can wait for him to go on a free.

Apparently he’s technically better than Richarlison and the Fluminense fans thought he’d be the one to leave a few years ago when he went to Watford. The problem is he’s physically ‘frail’ which sounds a bit harsh but those were his words. He’s an attacking midfielder (lovely left foot). who can also play left back but he doesn’t like it. Great set pieces.

He’s culturally curious and a reader. Reads heavy novels and puts reviews on Twitter so he wants to see what life is like in Europe.

So there we go. He’s ours and most likely here in January.