Forest not paying the living wage

[Strummer]

From HMRC:

„These rates are for the National Living Wage (for those aged 23 and over) and the National Minimum Wage (for those of at least school leaving age). The rates change on 1 April every year.“

April 2021

23 and over: £8.91
21 to 22: £8.36
18 to 20: £6.56
Under 18: £4.62
Apprentice: £4.30

Source: https://www.gov.uk/national-minimum-wage-rates

So - for example - a 19-year old worker earns £6.56 per hour. If they worked even a 40-hour week, that’s £262.40 a week.

Paying the living wage (£8.91 an hour) takes that workers‘ pay to £356.40 which is a difference of £94 per week - and that’s (possibly the most) extreme example.

Forest won’t have that many staff on such wages. Even if there were a hundred of them, at a 40-hour week, that’s less than £10k a week, which is probably about half of what the club spunked on Harry Arter, or Jack Colback.

 

[Ashley]

From HMRC:

„These rates are for the National Living Wage (for those aged 23 and over) and the National Minimum Wage (for those of at least school leaving age). The rates change on 1 April every year.“

April 2021

23 and over: £8.91
21 to 22: £8.36
18 to 20: £6.56
Under 18: £4.62
Apprentice: £4.30

Source: https://www.gov.uk/national-minimum-wage-rates

So - for example - a 19-year old worker earns £6.56 per hour. If they worked even a 40-hour week, that’s £262.40 a week.

Paying the living wage (£8.91 an hour) takes that workers‘ pay to £356.40 which is a difference of £94 per week - and that’s (possibly the most) extreme example.

Forest won’t have that many staff on such wages. Even if there were a hundred of them, at a 40-hour week, that’s less than £10k a week, which is probably about half of what the club spunked on Harry Arter, or Jack Colback.

£10k a week is probably less than what we paid Diallo to sit at home doing nothing every match day too.

 

[Collymore!]

Terrible.

Unbelievable they can have the audacity of that response with an entire club stacked of lower-second-division journeyman.

As is the saying with the minimum wage, Forest value you so little that if they could legally pay you less, they would.

Kind of thing that’ll make some withdraw from the club. Shocking.

 

[Strummer]

Seriously, if anyone from the club is reading this (and I know you sometimes do, you cheeky scamps!) or anyone has a contact at the club, it is worth pointing this out to them.

It is unacceptable.

Forest could, and should, be doing better.

 

[valspoodle]

Agree. It makes no sense to pay a player in the squad zillions a year (an exaggeration, I know, but I making a point here) for sitting on his arse every week and then others at the club, doing equally important work, but not in perhaps the same spotlight, peanuts.

It not only undermines their stated commitment of serving the community, but it's just mean and petty.

 

[uredsuns]

Surely we should be blaming those that set these wages (both living and minimum)rather than a business which is doing nothing other than paying what is set in law that has to be paid? But then again divide and conquer is always going to win for any government!

 

[Strummer]

Surely we should be blaming those that set these wages (both living and minimum)rather than a business which is doing nothing other than paying what is set in law that has to be paid? But then again divide and conquer is always going to win for any government!

Well, yes, of course we should.

But as the chances of the UK paying a genuinely comfortable level of minimum wage that actually allowed a worker at least a shot at a decent standard of living are somewhere around the same as me being elected the next Chancellor of Germany, we should at least encourage those organisations - like Nottingham Forest Football Club - to set an example, and to be paying the highest amount possible, for now, at least.

That they don’t - and worse, try and blame it on „financial fair play“ regulations whilst continuing to spaff thousands of pounds per week on useless no-marks who never actually kick a ball in a competitive match - is an absolute disgrace.

 

[Master Yates]

Why don’t they just start a “groundskeeping company” then award the contract for groundskeeping to them on an exclusive basis for a fixed fee that is less than what we pay the ground staff?

Then hire the Forest ground staff to work for newco, pay them the living wage and cover the groundskeeping company’s losses every year out of EM’s pocket, or use it as a tax writeoff on one of his other companies.

I’m probably missing something obvious here, but that’s what I’d do. Get wage bill down for FFP, pay living wage to staff and obtain a (very small) tax benefit.


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[Flaggers]

"We pay the National minimum wage"

Translation: "We'd like to pay you less but it would be illegal."

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

I thought everyone was OK with "Ambitious professionalism"?

The top brass have chewed up and spat people, and players, out since day one. Only a few posters on here who constantly defend the way we operate will be surprised. The rest of us woke up to how this regime operates a long time ago.

 

[valspoodle]

It does seem that football clubs have come to regard players as the sacred cows and all other employees as expendable.

Didn't we have the Arsenal paying players a fortune during the first lockdown and then putting other members of staff on furlough and not paying the 20%? Perhaps I'm wrong a defaming the Arsenal, but I'm sure there was some controversy about pay for the minions.

 

[Senior Flange Technician]

From HMRC:

„These rates are for the National Living Wage (for those aged 23 and over) and the National Minimum Wage (for those of at least school leaving age). The rates change on 1 April every year.“

April 2021

23 and over: £8.91
21 to 22: £8.36
18 to 20: £6.56
Under 18: £4.62
Apprentice: £4.30

Source: https://www.gov.uk/national-minimum-wage-rates

So - for example - a 19-year old worker earns £6.56 per hour. If they worked even a 40-hour week, that’s £262.40 a week.

Paying the living wage (£8.91 an hour) takes that workers‘ pay to £356.40 which is a difference of £94 per week - and that’s (possibly the most) extreme example.

Forest won’t have that many staff on such wages. Even if there were a hundred of them, at a 40-hour week, that’s less than £10k a week, which is probably about half of what the club spunked on Harry Arter, or Jack Colback.

The living wage has been somewhat bastardised by the tories. So they now call the minimum wage for over 23's the "living wage" which is what is paid, the real living wage is found here: https://www.livingwage.org.uk/what-real-living-wage

The trouble with the living wage is although it rightly tries to bring the wage up, the foundation and no one else seems to acknowledge the fact that skilled workers are becoming squeezed and soon you could be paid the same to stack shelves as being a skilled worker even after years on an apprentice wage.
Also, why I have no problem with younger people, especially those training being paid less if the work is less valuable, what shouldn't happen is two people doing work of the same value being paid differently purely because of their age.

 

[Frank Clark’s Tash]

In my experience if a business can get away with taking the piss then they almost always will. Then they wonder why they can't hold on to good staff.

Don't get me started on companies that expect workers to put in hours and hours of unpaid overtime at the drop of a hat, yet have a hissy fit if someone turns up 10 minutes late once in a blue moon.

/rant.

 

[Senior Flange Technician]

In my experience if a business can get away with taking the piss then they almost always will. Then they wonder why they can't hold on to good staff.

Don't get me started on companies that expect workers to put in hours and hours of unpaid overtime at the drop of a hat, yet have a hissy fit if someone turns up 10 minutes late once in a blue moon.

/rant.

My first place paid me less than £2 an hour when I started, they still charged me out at full rate on fitting jobs. I said to the gaffer, I'm as good a fitter as the rest so should get the same money, while on those jobs, he laughed.

 

[eezzeetiger]

Also, why I have no problem with younger people, especially those training being paid less if the work is less valuable, what shouldn't happen is two people doing work of the same value being paid differently purely because of their age.[/QUOTE]

Unless one of them is a woman of course.....(Tin hat on)