Fixture Changes

[YellowBelly Red]

In the first half of the season, we will have had just three 3pm home KO's!

 

[Omar Devone Little]

Globally watched*



*Except for viewers in - er - the UK, who are the actual people who actually pay money to actually turn up at actual games and provide the atmosphere.

Those people aren't allowed to watch most of their club's games on TV because it's illegal.

To watch the games they are graciously allowed to view they have to subscribe to Sky, BTSport AND Amazon, in order to not be able to watch most of their club's games.

But yes, globally watched.

They know that the seats will be filled regardless of when the game is as the poor fan will always find a way and if they cant someone else will. At the moment they could rearrange a Forest game for 9am Christmas morning and it'd sell out.

I said this in the summer when everyone was moaning about ticket price increases and shirt prices, if people keep paying it then they'll keep charging it. Germany do it right if they don't like something they just won't support it so it dies on it's arse.

 

[Eddie Yates]

There is only one response to that, which is a hearty „F*** OFF“.

There are reasons that many, more enlightened, Leagues, enforce a winter break, because it - of course - covers the traditional holiday-period.

Xmas eve games are bollocks but the rest of the Xmas program is traditional & should remain, Boxing Day football is one of the best days in the sporting calendar

We dont need to be following what second rate continental leagues do, not our problem that they can't cope with a bit inclement weather

 

[Eddie Yates]

More fixture bollocksing-about-of.
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Man U at home = 2.5 hours extra pre-match larrup

I'm good with that

 

[Eddie Yates]

Globally watched*



*Except for viewers in - er - the UK, who are the actual people who actually pay money to actually turn up at actual games and provide the atmosphere.

Those people aren't allowed to watch most of their club's games on TV because it's illegal.

To watch the games they are graciously allowed to view they have to subscribe to Sky, BTSport AND Amazon, in order to not be able to watch most of their club's games.

But yes, globally watched.

Just gerra a firestick & tell Sky, BT, Amazon, Apple, BBC to shove up their bollicks

 

[Trents]

That Spurs match on the Friday is gonna a right ballache for me to get to now.

 

[Strummer]

Xmas eve games are bollocks but the rest of the Xmas program is traditional & should remain, Boxing Day football is one of the best days in the sporting calendar

We need to be following what second rate continental leagues do, not our problem that they can't cope with a bit inclement weather

It’s not so much the weather, there’s no such thing as bad weather, only bad clothing; when (for example) the Bundesliga resumes towards the end of January, the weather is often slightly colder than over Christmas (at least, in Stuttgart) it’s more a case that, much like the widespread fan-led resistance to Monday-night games, and (bar the occasional Englische Woche) the belief is that Bundesliga games should be played over the long weekend, and that holiday periods - like Christmas - should be left free of frippery like football and be for, well, holidays, and time spent with friends and family (and arguing about football).

I must admit, it is a model I have come to prefer to that which is followed in England, especially when coupled with a television offering that allows a supporter to watch every one of their teams‘ matches from the comfort of their sofa, should they wish to do so, and - guess what? - allowing such liberal television coverage has seemingly absolutely zero effect on Matchday attendances, in which, I might remind you, the Bundesliga comfortably leads the rest of Europe.

 

[Redemption]

Germany do it right if they don't like something they just won't support it so it dies on it's arse.

The reason German football fans can resist is because of the 51% ownership.

I can't see fans in England being willing to get off their knees and stand up for themselves.

 

[Captain Sinister]

All these fixture date and time changes... does my head in (and I'm retired , so I am quite flexible).
However, I do book tickets for concerts, theatre, and cinema, have friends and family who come to stop over for the odd weekend, and before fixing those I check the forest fixture list, because, as a seaason ticket holder, I want to go to every home game.
So now I have theatre tickets I won't be able to use.
It boils my piss!

 

[Cloughie1975]

All these fixture date and time changes... does my head in (and I'm retired , so I am quite flexible).
However, I do book tickets for concerts, theatre, and cinema, have friends and family who come to stop over for the odd weekend, and before fixing those I check the forest fixture list, because, as a seaason ticket holder, I want to go to every home game.
So now I have theatre tickets I won't be able to use.
It boils my piss!

Derby fans won’t have the same problem.

 

[JohhnyM]

All these fixture date and time changes... does my head in (and I'm retired , so I am quite flexible).
However, I do book tickets for concerts, theatre, and cinema, have friends and family who come to stop over for the odd weekend, and before fixing those I check the forest fixture list, because, as a seaason ticket holder, I want to go to every home game.
So now I have theatre tickets I won't be able to use.
It boils my piss!

Can't book anything from August to May anymore without a lingering fear that a last minute fixture change will balls it up. Judging by the Brentford change you've got to leave a week's leeway either side ffs.

 

[Project Zeus]

I wish the PL would start looking at setting up their own global streaming service and cut all the likes of Sky and BT off.

Get rid of all the antiquated restrictions and negotiations. They get all the revenue and the fans get all the games to watch. It's a win-win.

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[incident]

I wish the PL would start looking at setting up their own global streaming service and cut all the likes of Sky and BT off.

Get rid of all the antiquated restrictions and negotiations. They get all the revenue and the fans get all the games to watch. It's a win-win.

Worth mentioning that the antiquated restrictions don't come from the broadcasters, they come from the clubs themselves.

 

[Statto]

Globally watched*



*Except for viewers in - er - the UK, who are the actual people who actually pay money to actually turn up at actual games and provide the atmosphere.

Those people aren't allowed to watch most of their club's games on TV because it's illegal.

To watch the games they are graciously allowed to view they have to subscribe to Sky, BTSport AND Amazon, in order to not be able to watch most of their club's games.

But yes, globally watched.

Tbf this does actually move more matches away from the blackout time of 3pm Saturday, so in principle more can be televised in the UK.

It's shit, but that is one benefit to those who aren't going to the match anyway, who will be able to watch it legally.

 

[Statto]

Derby fans won’t have the same problem.

Crewton might need to go to squawky school or something else like cub scouts on a weeknight though.

 

[Strummer]

Worth mentioning that the antiquated restrictions don't come from the broadcasters, they come from the clubs themselves.

Yeah, but the infamous „Saturday 3pm will affect attendances!“ refrain is complete bollocks.

Germany‘s Bundesliga proves that.

You can watch every Bundesliga match of a particular team, live, whether they play Friday night (2030), Saturday (1530 or 1830) or Sunday (1530 or 1730) if you want, if you subscribe to the two broadcasters who cover it DAZN (Friday/Sunday) and SKY (Saturday) as I do, which costs me about €50 a month.

One thing the BuLi does (which the English game could learn from) is that the 2. Bundesliga matches kick-off two hours before the Bundesliga does (there’s a later game on Sunday which kicks off two hours after the Bundesliga) so that effectively staggers coverage for the lower-division (either in person or via TV).

And - as posted earlier - the Bundesliga retains its crown as the most-attended football league in Europe, because the product on the pitch is something fans will want to actually turn out for.

 

[uredsuns]

Yeah, but the infamous „Saturday 3pm will affect attendances!“ refrain is complete bollocks.

Germany‘s Bundesliga proves that.

You can watch every Bundesliga match of a particular team, live, whether they play Friday night (2030), Saturday (1530 or 1830) or Sunday (1530 or 1730) if you want, if you subscribe to the two broadcasters who cover it DAZN (Friday/Sunday) and SKY (Saturday) as I do, which costs me about €50 a month.

One thing the BuLi does (which the English game could learn from) is that the 2. Bundesliga matches kick-off two hours before the Bundesliga does (there’s a later game on Sunday which kicks off two hours after the Bundesliga) so that effectively staggers coverage for the lower-division (either in person or via TV).

And - as posted earlier - the Bundesliga retains its crown as the most-attended football league in Europe, because the product on the pitch is something fans will want to actually turn out for.

As I have pointed out several times before, its not the attendances at the top flight matches that are affected, it those lower down the pyramid, think the likes of Long Eaton United, Carlton Town and Basford United. I know that Carltons attendance is always alot lower than it normally is when Forest are at home. So given the choice of watching the "big" games live ala Spurs V Arsenal as a example or standing around watching a game when its cold and wet, more will choose the comfort of being indoors.

 

[Strummer]

As I have pointed out several times before, its not the attendances at the top flight matches that are affected, it those lower down the pyramid, think the likes of Long Eaton United, Carlton Town and Basford United. I know that Carltons attendance is always alot lower than it normally is when Forest are at home. So given the choice of watching the "big" games live ala Spurs V Arsenal as a example or standing around watching a game when its cold and wet, more will choose the comfort of being indoors.

Yeah, but as I posted above, in German football, the lower tiers specifically avoid kick offs at the same time as the top flight.

And that works.

 

[uredsuns]

Yeah, but as I posted above, in German football, the lower tiers specifically avoid kick offs at the same time as the top flight.

And that works.

That's fine and obviously works. the problem is which one moves and as we are already seeing here is that one group of fans are not going to be happy having a massive upheaval in fixtures, as you know Saturday 3PM is almost set in stone that football games take place then. Now the clubs want to be richer and richer they have sold their soul to become that and in turn have given up their rights to a regular KO time, TV companies would still want staggered times so as to maximise revenue from advertising etc.

 

[Barry]

Happy with the change of the Everton kick off tbh...means I can grab more overtime at work.... Xmas and all that jazz

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[Strummer]

That's fine and obviously works. the problem is which one moves and as we are already seeing here is that one group of fans are not going to be happy having a massive upheaval in fixtures, as you know Saturday 3PM is almost set in stone that football games take place then. Now the clubs want to be richer and richer they have sold their soul to become that and in turn have given up their rights to a regular KO time, TV companies would still want staggered times so as to maximise revenue from advertising etc.

It was always ever this in Germany; football kicked off at 1530 on a Saturday in the top flight.

Money has seen games extended to Friday nights and Sunday (an effort to push matches to Monday night was roundly resisted by fans, and the authorities gave up in the face of overwhelming opposition).

On the flip side, extending (for example) the nine matches of a Bundesliga weekend over (essentially) three days means every single match can be televised - and that is an option that (for some reason) the Premier League neither has, or maybe wants.

 

[Eddie Yates]

It’s not so much the weather, there’s no such thing as bad weather, only bad clothing; when (for example) the Bundesliga resumes towards the end of January, the weather is often slightly colder than over Christmas (at least, in Stuttgart) it’s more a case that, much like the widespread fan-led resistance to Monday-night games, and (bar the occasional Englische Woche) the belief is that Bundesliga games should be played over the long weekend, and that holiday periods - like Christmas - should be left free of frippery like football and be for, well, holidays, and time spent with friends and family (and arguing about football).

I must admit, it is a model I have come to prefer to that which is followed in England, especially when coupled with a television offering that allows a supporter to watch every one of their teams‘ matches from the comfort of their sofa, should they wish to do so, and - guess what? - allowing such liberal television coverage has seemingly absolutely zero effect on Matchday attendances, in which, I might remind you, the Bundesliga comfortably leads the rest of Europe.

Surely you don't prefer the model of no football on Boxing day / Xmas & NY to the English model of loads of football over this period

It's ok bigging up Bundesliga attendances but outside those 18 clubs no bugger else watches any football in Germany unlike England which as the longest, hardest & toughest league in world football has 92 well supported teams, there's teams in England's 5th tier who's attendances rival some 2nd tier European leagues

Winter breaks = pointless sack of shit

 

[Strummer]

Surely you don't prefer the model of no football on Boxing day / Xmas & NY to the English model of loads of football over this period

It's ok bigging up Bundesliga attendances but outside those 18 clubs no bugger else watches any football in Germany unlike England which as the longest, hardest & toughest league in world football has 92 well supported teams, there's teams in England's 5th tier who's attendances rival some 2nd tier European leagues

Winter breaks = pointless sack of shit

Mate.

Schalke 04, in the second-tier, have 160.000 members. And consistently sell out the 62.000-seater Veltins Arena. In the second-tier. Hamburger SV (remember them?) who’ve rotted in the Second tier for five seasons now, are similar.

FC St. Pauli, the hipsters‘ favourite, sell out the 29,5k Millerntor-Stadion every other week (and could sell considerably more).

Many 2. BuLi clubs get the sort of crowds English teams could only dream of (go also look up 1. FC Nürnberg or 1. FC Kaiserslautern, for two examples)

Crowds in the 3. Liga are also decent.

Hell, my local „lower-tier“ club, SC Stammheim, who compete in the Bezirksliga (which is the eighth-tier of German football) get decent crowds on a Sunday.

 

[Omar Devone Little]

I went and watched Unterhaching a few years ago in the 3rd tier and they probably had a similar gate to a League One side.

 

[uredsuns]

On the flip side, extending (for example) the nine matches of a Bundesliga weekend over (essentially) three days means every single match can be televised - and that is an option that (for some reason) the Premier League neither has, or maybe wants.

I am only guessing, but would imagine the reason they wont do away completely with 3PM Saturday KO is they want to be seen as a "traditional" division still even if its not like the rest of the divisions, the still want to dominate the radio commentary at 3PM so it talked about on local commentary up and down the country even if only 1 PL game kicks off at 3PM as it is advertising for them, take the games away from that slot and it will slowly fall away from fans of other clubs as its not mentioned during the full time results at 5pm an the various media platforms