Financial Fair Play (FFP)

[Bobby The Brain]

Absolutely, Bobby.

Just imagine if we had to sell John Robertson to the Scousers or Man Utd back in 1977/78 when we got promoted to the first division.

Nail on the head Rocka, as usual

 

[IdiotTricky]

Communists the lot of ya.

It's a fair cop, guv'.

 

[T.B.T.]

For information….

The Everton news this afternoon (2 points deducted) now means that the PSR panel have officially collected more Premier League points this season than Derby's record breaking season.

 

[Bobby The Brain]

Bang on Bobby - Brennan should be playing for us, grealish for villa etc. Seasons not even done yet and we’re already talking about cashing in on MGW and Murillo to meet some bullshit rule. I want us to build a team, not build a team for the 6 twat clubs!

 

[Lady Penelope]

I keep threatening to go and watch Boston. One day.

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Boston have a rather nice new stadium. It doesn't have the same feel as York Street, and it is out of town with Burger King, costa etc, but it is worth going to.

 

[Redofheaven2]

Isn't this all headed for massive law suits? If Everton don't get relegated this season, whoever does will surely sue the PL on the basis that charges against Everton -- and thus further deductions -- have not been processed (as was promised) within this season. Say, for example, that Everton finished 2 points ahead of us so we went down. Everton then get a delayed 3 point deduction next season which they should have go this season. We sue for damages. The whole thing goes into meltdown. It all just seems completely farcical.

Not even the premier league are that stupid, there is absolutely no way Everton will get a deduction that would have relegated them.
I don’t think there will be any deduction for that - it is just to decide wether that £6.7m(?) should be coz yes in the calculations for 23/24.

 

[I'm Red Till Dead]

You know what, with all of this absolute bollocks, at least those of us who are old enough (and I'm too young(!) to remember the european finals) can say we've seen the work of an absolute genius first hand. What he'd make of this shite.

I don’t think I’ll comment on a family forum.

It would probably go along the lines of Man City and Chelsea you can take all your cups and medals and throw them in the bin. You bought them all.

 

[Lord Wazzock]

The thing is that will probably suit the men in suits. Get rid of the old and replace with the type who were plentiful at Tottenham yesterday who will pay twice as much.

Yep. I read something the other day about under 25's being priced out of the game. This is the next generation of fans who will not be able to attend a game.

I can see it getting worse. Kieran Maguire was reporting how American investors are more interested in English football since the Disney documentary on Wrexham. A 40% share in Ipswich has just been bought by one such investor, 105 million was the price. Not long back this would have bought an entire Championship club. These type of investors want a quick return and have didley squat interest in the game. Absolutely bonkers.

 

[I'm Red Till Dead]

I keep seeing that Man City's FFP 115 charges keep getting pushed back because the number make them so complex. Why can't they simplyfy things and start by hearing the charges year by year?

 

[Larry Lansbury]

Well we don’t even know anytime frames for Man City as prem have refused to provide details of when charges will be heard. Farce-where is the transparency and openness there!

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

I keep seeing that Man City's FFP 115 charges keep getting pushed back because the number make them so complex. Why can't they simplyfy things and start by hearing the charges year by year?

Because what's likely happening there, is that the bent twats amongst the governing bodies are amassing a case as strong as possible and leaving it hanging over the head of City, so that behind closed doors they can negotiate and squeeze the maximum out of all parties involved, then drop the charges due to "new" (planned) rule changes.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

I keep seeing that Man City's FFP 115 charges keep getting pushed back because the number make them so complex. Why can't they simplyfy things and start by hearing the charges year by year?

Their charges aren't being pushed back; what's almost certainly happening is some form of litigation

There's no way to say this without coming across as condescending but Sports Law is actually a massive grey area and there is even an argument that it doesn't actually exist; I chose Sports Law as an elective for my law degree and the first lecture was literally entitled "Does Sports Law Exist", because how can you have laws for a system that literally creates its own laws?

So there's that, but also most people don't understand litigation as part of the civil law process; they just think if someone is sued they go to court to sort it out

But that isn't how it works, the vast majority of civil cases are litigated and don't end up anywhere near a court, and for good reason because the costs of a trial are astronomical and benefit neither side

So why have Forest and Everton been dealt with but Man City haven't? Well I don't know for certain, no-one does, but my guess is that ours and Everton's transgressions are relatively simple in nature (I'm not an accountant so I can't speak to that point) but magnitude and simplicity are two very different things and I think ours basically hinged on whether and when we sold Brennan Johnson, and I think Everton's aren't massively complicated either. Also in our case we didn't contest anything, which obviously hastens the process.

Man City on the other hand have potentially hundreds of transgressions over multiple years, most if not all of which their owners and their legal team are disputing and it takes time to bring a case like that together. It's massively shit, don't get me wrong, but that's just how things are

 

[I'm Red Till Dead]

Their charges aren't being pushed back; what's almost certainly happening is some form of litigation

There's no way to say this without coming across as condescending but Sports Law is actually a massive grey area and there is even an argument that it doesn't actually exist; I chose Sports Law as an elective for my law degree and the first lecture was literally entitled "Does Sports Law Exist", because how can you have laws for a system that literally creates its own laws?

So there's that, but also most people don't understand litigation as part of the civil law process; they just think if someone is sued they go to court to sort it out

But that isn't how it works, the vast majority of civil cases are litigated and don't end up anywhere near a court, and for good reason because the costs of a trial are astronomical and benefit neither side

So why have Forest and Everton been dealt with but Man City haven't? Well I don't know for certain, no-one does, but my guess is that ours and Everton's transgressions are relatively simple in nature (I'm not an accountant so I can't speak to that point) but magnitude and simplicity are two very different things and I think ours basically hinged on whether and when we sold Brennan Johnson, and I think Everton's aren't massively complicated either. Also in our case we didn't contest anything, which obviously hastens the process.

Man City on the other hand have potentially hundreds of transgressions over multiple years, most if not all of which their owners and their legal team are disputing and it takes time to bring a case like that together. It's massively shit, don't get me wrong, but that's just how things are

I did law and accountancy years ago at college. I understand the totality is complex, which is why I suggested breaking it down into single years, a test case if you will.

It's easier to argue one years accounts and transgressions than for, what is it, a 14 or 15 year period. Prove a charge for one year and you are on the way to establishing a way to prove things for similar charges for other years.

You can see the list of charges against them here -
https://www.liverpool.com/liverpool...ty-ffp-everton-points-28450029?int_source=nba

 

[Mr. Blonde]

I did law and accountancy years ago at college

I did Law A Level, then a law degree, then the LPC, then two years of a training contract before I could even call myself a solicitor so apologies if this comes across as patronising but I know more about this than you do

 

[YellowBelly Red]

The excesses of the PL are now coming home. Allowing agents to behave like its the Wild West, is killing the game. I always said that players on huge wages had to be paid for by someone, and that someone is he fan.

Haaland on a reported £865k per week is morally obscene. His agent must love it, as he collects his percentage. Greed drives greed and this is where we now are. The PL did nothing to curb the excesses, and are now even standing in the way of filtering more money down the pyramid. Taking adverts out to try and rubbish the concept of an independent football regulator....wtf was that all about?

The sooner that the gravy train is smashed into the buffers, the better. The PL are killing football, and aren't even ashamed about doing it!

 

[Col Steve Austin]

I did Law A Level, then a law degree, then the LPC, then two years of a training contract before I could even call myself a solicitor so apologies if this comes across as patronising but I know more about this than you do

 

[Flaggers]

Their charges aren't being pushed back; what's almost certainly happening is some form of litigation

There's no way to say this without coming across as condescending but Sports Law is actually a massive grey area and there is even an argument that it doesn't actually exist; I chose Sports Law as an elective for my law degree and the first lecture was literally entitled "Does Sports Law Exist", because how can you have laws for a system that literally creates its own laws?

So there's that, but also most people don't understand litigation as part of the civil law process; they just think if someone is sued they go to court to sort it out

But that isn't how it works, the vast majority of civil cases are litigated and don't end up anywhere near a court, and for good reason because the costs of a trial are astronomical and benefit neither side

So why have Forest and Everton been dealt with but Man City haven't? Well I don't know for certain, no-one does, but my guess is that ours and Everton's transgressions are relatively simple in nature (I'm not an accountant so I can't speak to that point) but magnitude and simplicity are two very different things and I think ours basically hinged on whether and when we sold Brennan Johnson, and I think Everton's aren't massively complicated either. Also in our case we didn't contest anything, which obviously hastens the process.

Man City on the other hand have potentially hundreds of transgressions over multiple years, most if not all of which their owners and their legal team are disputing and it takes time to bring a case like that together. It's massively shit, don't get me wrong, but that's just how things are

There's nothing stopping the PL taking one - ONE - of the 115 charges and dealing with that and knocking 4/6/8 points off City other than their absolute reluctance to do so, and the remaining 114 charges can be dealt with later

 

[GOBIAS]

Their charges aren't being pushed back; what's almost certainly happening is some form of litigation

There's no way to say this without coming across as condescending but Sports Law is actually a massive grey area and there is even an argument that it doesn't actually exist; I chose Sports Law as an elective for my law degree and the first lecture was literally entitled "Does Sports Law Exist", because how can you have laws for a system that literally creates its own laws?

So there's that, but also most people don't understand litigation as part of the civil law process; they just think if someone is sued they go to court to sort it out

But that isn't how it works, the vast majority of civil cases are litigated and don't end up anywhere near a court, and for good reason because the costs of a trial are astronomical and benefit neither side

So why have Forest and Everton been dealt with but Man City haven't? Well I don't know for certain, no-one does, but my guess is that ours and Everton's transgressions are relatively simple in nature (I'm not an accountant so I can't speak to that point) but magnitude and simplicity are two very different things and I think ours basically hinged on whether and when we sold Brennan Johnson, and I think Everton's aren't massively complicated either. Also in our case we didn't contest anything, which obviously hastens the process.

Man City on the other hand have potentially hundreds of transgressions over multiple years, most if not all of which their owners and their legal team are disputing and it takes time to bring a case like that together. It's massively shit, don't get me wrong, but that's just how things are

We should have just rocked up saying this. Sports law doesn’t exist, the end!

 

[Bonalair]

Money makes the world go round. But in sport it's all entangled with embarrassment about just how much is slodshing around and naked attempts by, in our case UEFA and FIFA, to increase the money coming with no improvement in the actual sport.

I listened to John Rahm this morning, the golfer who held out of the Saudi gof sports washing thing and stayed with the PGA (or whatever it's called) and now he's accepted a vast amount of momoney to play for LIV golf. During a longish interview not once did he mention he did it for the money, it was all rubbish about improving the game etc!!

The worrying thing about the Golf is that the PGA seem to be worried that they are losing viewers even though everyone I know despises LIV and think the format is crap, so we’re going to end up with some sort of F1 type golf tour to satisfy who exactly? Not the fans who just want to watch a four day tournament as it always has been.

I would like the top clubs to disappear off to their super league, as long as the bottom club in that league can be replaced by the winner of one of the four main European leagues in some sort of play-off system. Clears our decks - let them have their Disney TV matches , but enables some sort of promotion/relegation.

 

[Col Steve Austin]

We should have just rocked up saying this. Sports law doesn’t exist, the end!

Seems to be working for City!

 

[Harry1982]

Their charges aren't being pushed back; what's almost certainly happening is some form of litigation

There's no way to say this without coming across as condescending but Sports Law is actually a massive grey area and there is even an argument that it doesn't actually exist; I chose Sports Law as an elective for my law degree and the first lecture was literally entitled "Does Sports Law Exist", because how can you have laws for a system that literally creates its own laws?

So there's that, but also most people don't understand litigation as part of the civil law process; they just think if someone is sued they go to court to sort it out

But that isn't how it works, the vast majority of civil cases are litigated and don't end up anywhere near a court, and for good reason because the costs of a trial are astronomical and benefit neither side

So why have Forest and Everton been dealt with but Man City haven't? Well I don't know for certain, no-one does, but my guess is that ours and Everton's transgressions are relatively simple in nature (I'm not an accountant so I can't speak to that point) but magnitude and simplicity are two very different things and I think ours basically hinged on whether and when we sold Brennan Johnson, and I think Everton's aren't massively complicated either. Also in our case we didn't contest anything, which obviously hastens the process.

Man City on the other hand have potentially hundreds of transgressions over multiple years, most if not all of which their owners and their legal team are disputing and it takes time to bring a case like that together. It's massively shit, don't get me wrong, but that's just how things are

To an extent yes, ours and evertons transgressions are pretty much black and white. Also why evertons covid loss figures have not been scrutinised, it would make the whole process very grey and drawn out.

The man city charges don't seem very black and white and they have been uncooperative, seem the league will need build a case etc. I also suspect the legal team for City will be bigger and better then the leagues. The league must be crapping themselves as city will most likely wipe the floor with them, it will make a mockery of the EPL

 

[Strummer]

The worrying thing about the Golf is that the PGA seem to be worried that they are losing viewers even though everyone I know despises LIV and think the format is crap, so we’re going to end up with some sort of F1 type golf tour to satisfy who exactly? Not the fans who just want to watch a four day tournament as it always has been.

I would like the top clubs to disappear off to their super league, as long as the bottom club in that league can be replaced by the winner of one of the four main European leagues in some sort of play-off system. Clears our decks - let them have their Disney TV matches , but enables some sort of promotion/relegation.

That wouldn’t happen though.

What the (supposed) „top“ European clubs keep getting pitched is the American model - a closed league, no promotion or relegation, where they can play each other in perpetuity and hoard all the money and the best players for themselves.

The likes of the Premier League look at the kind of money the NFL and NBA et al make globally, and they want some of that.

 

[Flaggers]

I would like the top clubs to disappear off to their super league, as long as the bottom club in that league can be replaced by the winner of one of the four main European leagues in some sort of play-off system. Clears our decks - let them have their Disney TV matches , but enables some sort of promotion/relegation.

Nearly.

Get 'em gone.

And no return.

They want their magic league, fine. They can have it. But they can't come back.

 

[YellowBelly Red]

The Saudis buying tennis, golf, snooker, darts, boxing and football, is just not right. Its corrupt and immoral and we're getting sucked into it.

Betting Companies pumping money into our game, with no consequences to increasing addiction, is just awful.

Football needs a complete reset and quickly.

 

[I'm Red Till Dead]

I did Law A Level, then a law degree, then the LPC, then two years of a training contract before I could even call myself a solicitor so apologies if this comes across as patronising but I know more about this than you do

I'm sure that you do. All I'm saying is that breaking things down allows you to focus more specifically.