Financial Fair Play (FFP)

[Harry1982]

A standing ovation? Balls to that

They're the cute little new puppy for the PL, harmless with their little old school dump of a stadium and their little hats spending pennies.

We're the bad guys, we actually have the stones to have a go with a Bond like villain steering the wheel. Actually speaking out against the league. Daring to spend like we belong here.

As another young lad in the past who dared to have a go once said;

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Quoting tony Montana and marinakis and his supposed links to the vampire ship Noor one has got to be irony.

Me personally don't think the league are personally out to get us and ask any club in the league and refs and VAR have a personal vendetta against their team. Personally rather then playing the victim, I'd want the owners, fans, players to take ownership for what is in our hands.

 

[Templeton]

I mean, 2 coaches have not been able to get this squad away from the relegation zone. So I don't buy that they're the problem.

Just because we've spent money doesn't mean he squad is good. It's not. It has good components, but the overall balance and squad itself is relegation material, despite the amount spent.

I think 20+ years away from the Premier League have diluted a lot of fans views of what top players are. We've clearly got the best talent we've had for 20+ years, but it is still poor by Premier League standards and the squad still ill balanced to be thinking anything near mid table yet.

 

[UnFrustratedRed]

You need to learn the difference between personal attacks over the owners weight/size and those which attack him for the way he runs the club.

They are 2 entirely different things.

I may be wrong, but I don't recall any of the moderation team having a dig at Marinakis's size/weight since the points deduction news broke.

If they have I am sure they would apologise. They don't, however, need to apologise for having a go at the way he's run the club whether you think they are right or wrong in that view.

Just one example I recall was when Strummer replied to a poster who said he'd like to chin Mr Marinakis by saying "which one?". Apology required?

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

Very dangerous game to take on the cartel. I think it's time to wind our necks in at this point.

We released a statement that expressed our feelings and gave the Premier League some home truths. The media and others are taking it onboard and that's good to get people considering how the future of FFP should be.

That's enough. Because their backs will be up now. I know some people might say this is not showing any fight. We won't win this battle. Leave it alone and focus on picking up enough points in matches. Otherwise it could get worse.

Yup.

This is what I'm referring to when I say the statement "wasn't the most streetwise"

People assume the worst that can happen is relegation, but the people in power have their fingers in all kinds of pies, and you'll have to forgive me if I don't think Marinakis has his house in order and covered from all angles.

I think 20+ years away from the Premier League have diluted a lot of fans views of what top players are. We've clearly got the best talent we've had for 20+ years, but it is still poor by Premier League standards and the squad still ill balanced to be thinking anything near mid table yet.

Completely agree.

 

[Erik]

The comments about Mr Marinakis have been very far away from "botched attempts at humour". They have been disgraceful

If anyone has made personal attacks on the owner that relate to the way he looks then report them.

If people have attacked him for the way he's run the club then you can disagree, or debate reasonably, but not suggest those attacks are based on anything other than his ownership model.

 

[Erik]

Just one example I recall was when Strummer replied to a poster who said he'd like to chin Mr Marinakis by saying "which one?". Apology required?

Which he explained was in relation to which individual.

 

[Harry1982]

I mean, 2 coaches have not been able to get this squad away from the relegation zone. So I don't buy that they're the problem.

Just because we've spent money doesn't mean he squad is good. It's not. It has good components, but the overall balance and squad itself is relegation material, despite the amount spent.

Look at villa first 2 seasons back they were around the relegation zone and they had a very good squad of players, think it's more about getting a cohesive squad and not being intimidated by the Premier league.

As fans we don't have a God given right to be mid table, there a reason most clubs either yoyo between champ and prem before becoming semi established

 

[REDDERS78]

I mean, 2 coaches have not been able to get this squad away from the relegation zone. So I don't buy that they're the problem.

Just because we've spent money doesn't mean he squad is good. It's not. It has good components, but the overall balance and squad itself is relegation material, despite the amount spent.

No, sorry, you cant blame the owner for the on field issues, that would just be stupid.

Hes invested, thats his job. It seems you just want to blame him for every problem but give him no credit for anything good that happens.

You previously claimed it wasnt the owners doing that we got promoted, it was because of Cooper, youre now saying the opposite because its fits your narrative.

Sorry Alf me owd mucker, but youre talking a giant pile of steaming horse shit here.

 

[UnFrustratedRed]

If anyone has made personal attacks on the owner that relate to the way he looks then report them.

If people have attacked him for the way he's run the club then you can disagree, or debate reasonably, but not suggest those attacks are based on anything other than his ownership model.

Reported but probably ignored

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

No, sorry, you cant blame the owner for the on field issues, that would just be stupid.

Hes invested, thats his job. It seems you just want to blame him for every problem but give him no credit for anything good that happens.

You previously claimed it wasnt the owners doing that we got promoted, it was because of Cooper, youre now saying the opposite because its fits your narrative.

Sorry Alf me owd mucker, but youre talking a giant pile of steaming horse shit here.

I've not even mentioned the owner? I'm literally talking about squad quality.

 

[UnFrustratedRed]

Which he explained was in relation to which individual.

What? Never mind, carry on regardless eh.

 

[Ian Moore Gone Little]

Maybe Barney Ronay should have stuck to writing for When Saturday Comes?

I mean, everybody loves WSC.

(Including me, as I’ve subscribed to it for over 25 years).

Me too, for well over 30 years. One of the few places in the media that understands that there is more than one division in English football and that there had been a top division for a century or so before the Premier League came along. And I think I’m getting it for about £19 a year because they had a fixed-price subscription offer many years ago…

 

[MC Plantpot]

Boys, girls, however you identify, moderators, posters - let’s not fall out. Unity is what’s needed now. You reds !

 

[Harry1982]

Looking at this from a slightly different angle and based on the assumption the club took a gamble.

Obviously its not worked out but would it really be that ridiculous for them to assume or calculate a far better points tally at this stage of the season, given the investment?

I mean didnt we all assume as fans that we might not be so poor? I certainly did and we really should be on a position to not think twice about a points deduction, Im not sure how many points we have thrown away from winning positions but its way too many.

Whatever your thoughts its now down to the coaches and players to step up and give us what we expected all season, stand up and be counted and stop pissing chances up the wall and falling asleep at crucial moments.

Its not been anywhere remotely close to good enough I'm afraid.

How do we define if its worked or not? From a very successful season in the prem we have got 45 mill for johnson. The likes of murillo, danillo, dominguez, we will never be able to tell if the gamble worked or didn't, just aslong as we are still solvent I'd say it's a gamble that was worth it

 

[isaacs]

Quoting tony Montana and marinakis and his supposed links to the vampire ship Noor one has got to be irony.

Me personally don't think the league are personally out to get us and ask any club in the league and refs and VAR have a personal vendetta against their team. Personally rather then playing the victim, I'd want the owners, fans, players to take ownership for what is in our hands.

I used to have morals and believed in fair play and sportsmanship in this sport we love. But 23 years in exile while the majority of the PL took the royal piss out of any sense of fair play has admittedly left me morally bankrupt and a borderline disgraceful supporter.

 

[Dino]

Percy article in the Telegraph:

Why Nottingham Forest’s points deduction is smaller than Everton’s – the key details

Plus – how a possible appeal might work and what level over overspend Forest have been found guilty of

www.telegraph.co.uk

Says that the Premier League can appeal if they think the sanction is too lenient - For that alone we should suck it up and move on

 

[youreds1986]

Slept on it. Here's my thoughts.

The FFP rules are absolute nonsense. The fact City haven't been charged is absolute nonsense too. The way decisions around deductions are made is unnecessarily clouded and FFP needs scrapping.

But none of that changes the fact that we knew the rules. We knew we could be deducted points.

So knowing that, we were reckless enough to get ourselves into a position of being 30 odd min quid short at the end of last season. Which is absolutely dreadful.

We then get offered a lifeline. 42 million quid from Athletico Madrid. Not short of the top possible result we may have got for Johnson. Solves all the problems, avoids any chance of a points deduction, closes the circus of his leaving early. We turn it down.

This is entirely on the Board and Owner. It's disgracefully reckless and could now relegate us. The only reason we have a hope of it not relegating us is quite how shit the newcomers were this year. Any other season and we would now be resigned to the Championship.

And for what? An extra 5m quid and gaining (as the report states) absolutely no sporting advantage?

Honestly, we are really lucky we only got 4 points for that size of a breach and I think we have DeMarco to thank for that.

Our statement is all well and good. FFP is shit. But it doesn't change the fact that we knew we were in breach and we actively rejected our one way out of it. The spin of 'woe is me, we are so hard done by' just doesn't wash.

Honestly I'm f***ing furious. The report has shown levels of recklessness that even I am surprised by.

 

[Flaggers]

Right.

To protest.

Forget the pathetic pink cards and whatnot.

4th minute, everyone stands up, turns round, drops their trousers (or lifts their skirt etc) and gives the world's TV audience a 25,000-strong vertical smile.

 

[Bonfy177]

Word has just come through to me in Sunlun, it’s bad news people

4 points

 

[Robertson]

No idea what Luton Town have to complain about. None.

Leicester maybe, though seems they have their own worries with FFP. So then Leeds possibly.

It’s up to Luton if they want to try staying in the Premier League without spending any money and pocketing a fat profit. But they’ve just been given a head start on points. Not sure why they think they deserve more of one.

 

[Vikare]

The comments about Mr Marinakis have been very far away from "botched attempts at humour". They have been disgraceful

I don't know about "comments" in general.

I was refering to the specific one that you quoted.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

Slept on it. Here's my thoughts.

The FFP rules are absolute nonsense. The fact City haven't been charged is absolute nonsense too. The way decisions around deductions are made is unnecessarily clouded and FFP needs scrapping.

But none of that changes the fact that we knew the rules. We knew we could be deducted points.

So knowing that, we were reckless enough to get ourselves into a position of being 30 odd min quid short at the end of last season. Which is absolutely dreadful.

We then get offered a lifeline. 42 million quid from Athletico Madrid. Not short of the top possible result we may have got for Johnson. Solves all the problems, avoids any chance of a points deduction, closes the circus of his leaving early. We turn it down.

This is entirely on the Board and Owner. It's disgracefully reckless and could now relegate us. The only reason we have a hope of it not relegating us is quite how shit the newcomers were this year. Any other season and we would now be resigned to the Championship.

And for what? An extra 5m quid and gaining (as the report states) absolutely no sporting advantage?

Honestly, we are really lucky we only got 4 points for that size of a breach and I think we have DeMarco to thank for that.

Our statement is all well and good. FFP is shit. But it doesn't change the fact that we knew we were in breach and we actively rejected our one way out of it. The spin of 'woe is me, we are so hard done by' just doesn't wash.

Honestly I'm f***ing furious. The report has shown levels of recklessness that even I am surprised by.

I wish I could say I was surprised tbh.

I'd like to see the club show some humility and issue an apology to fans that's for sure. From "the precious commodity of time", to "the best is yet to come", to "We ensure we are FFP/PSR compliant" it's starting to feel like the club is just full of shit. Don't forget, fans paid significantly extra to witness this debacle this year too.

14k under Dougie MK2 in the Champ isn't on the doorstep, but it's not a million miles away either unless some serious self reflection and adjustment.

Marinakis will probably think sacking Nuno is the answer though

 

[Bonfy177]

It’s rare I bite but I’ve just heard that clown Bellew bleating about Forest losses were double Everton’s ……yes they were but ours started at 35m and ended at 35m ……whereas Everton’s losses started at 230m and they manipulated numbers pulled more fiddles than the London philharmonic orchestra to get it down to 20m ……maybes that’s why they were fisted with 10 originally and that’s why they’re in the barrel again……

Own your mistake’s, stop squirming and playing the victims like ya neighbours across the park…..

That feels better, carry on.

 

[Strummer]

Just one example I recall was when Strummer replied to a poster who said he'd like to chin Mr Marinakis by saying "which one?". Apology required?

As I have subsequently clarified - my question was „which Marinakis?“ because, you know, there is more than one of them, and much vitriol has been posed to the younger one, because of his alleged involvement in player recruitment, and the accusation that as a 20-something year old, he perhaps wields undue influence in transfers.

I think, to be honest, you are maybe looking at this a little bit too deeply, and perhaps seeing things that aren‘t there?

Good-natured piss taking has been an essential part of this forum for many years, and we see no reason to change that. There is, of course, a line between humour and abuse, and we will act to remove anything that crosses that line (and indeed we have, in the last 24 hours or so as things have gotten somewhat heated in this thread).

 

[Sir John Borlase Warren]

Oh well, this has helped to fill a bit of the gap until fixtures resume. It is what it is and 3pm on 30th matters most. COYR.