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Financial Fair Play (FFP)

ubik

ubik

Geoff Thomas
BryanRoy22 said:
Very dangerous game to take on the cartel. I think it's time to wind our necks in at this point.

We released a statement that expressed our feelings and gave the Premier League some home truths. The media and others are taking it onboard and that's good to get people considering how the future of FFP should be.

That's enough. Because their backs will be up now. I know some people might say this is not showing any fight. We won't win this battle. Leave it alone and focus on picking up enough points in matches. Otherwise it could get worse.
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Bring it on!

If we go down, we go down. It's not the end of the world, and we can aim to bounce straight back up with a vengeance.

We can highlight how rigged the game is and do everyone a favour.
 
ubik

ubik

Geoff Thomas
Vikare said:
Tongue in cheek?

If not,

I feel obliged to report

that a casual observer (me,)

would not have interpreted "enormous" as anything other than an attempt to de-escalate the conversation.

I am with you on the general "call out hate speech always," but when holding that stance it is important to differentiate between hate speech and genuine botched attempts at humour, otherwise the message gets diluted.
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I've enlarged it to gargantuan, if that's any help.
 
DizzyBala

DizzyBala

Jack Armstrong
MaxiRobriguez said:
Our actions should be as follows:

1) Accept the points deduction, no appeal.
2) Go win some games of football to stay up.
3) Make a net income in our transfer dealings in summer.
4) Trim the squad.
5) Hire a COO/DOF that are given autonomy over RevOps/Transfers. No more Marinakis Jr photoshoots with new players.

Be boring. Be pragmatic. Get our house in order.
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Not sure about #1, always worth appealing if there's no danger we could get points added.
But you know full well, we'd do 2-3-4-5

Then all of a sudden Jordan Henderson ends up coming back to England and the budget goes out the window, then deadline day we're signing Chuba Akpom and four others. :ROFLMAO:
 
Indored

Indored

A. Trialist
I have a question here for the guys and gals with experience of these matters.

Could we not appeal the decision, which will take some time, see how we go in the league and if it looks like we will be OK, recind it and carry on as normal ?
On the other side if it looks bad for us then use the appeal to try and get a deduction.

If it’s looking bleak any further points deductions won’t make any difference right, unless we are talking about a single point of course.
No idea if this is possible, hence the question.
 
Strummer

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
M

Munich and Madrid

A. Trialist
Strummer said:
Perhaps if you re-read the whole thread, you’d see the question I asked was „which Marinakis?“ as it seemed one particular poster (and only one) had read my response to Emmo‘s post, put two and two together and got fifteen, which I subsequently clarified.

I have also posted (more than once) criticising the ownership for their seeming lack of financial governance. That is an absolutely legitimate criticism - have a read of the full report from the Independent Commission, and you’ll see they level similar concerns about the conduct of NFFC. (And yes, corporate governance is something I know a little bit about, and Forest have - frankly - made a mess of that here).

And, personally rude? „Go and enjoy your wank“?

Seriously?

This is a friendly, welcoming forum, where we can share a love of Forest and other stuff. Those of us who give up our time as Moderators of this forum will not allow it to become an untrammelled shit-fest of cliquish behaviour where posters think they can insult others with impunity; that’s not how we’ve rolled for twenty years now, and we won’t change that philosophy, and if anything, the promotion to the Premier League has brought us a different kind of fan, whose behaviour is not always what we’d wish. But, that’s life, as it were.

Our way of running the forum is clear: make your point, and defend it; and don’t personally insult other posters.

If your preference is for more robust debate, there are of course other forums which you might find preferable.
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Reread your post you said “which one“ as if it was a reference to chins not “which Marinakis”.From what I have read in my absence I have to agree with a poster who said certain moderators have taken a view that undermines your paragraph commencing
This is a friendly,……
 
M

MC Plantpot

First Team Squad
DizzyBala said:
Honestly after reading a bunch of Luton fans tweets today, we've gotta be the ones to send them down. I don't care if it has to be a final day job or clawing back points via appeal, however it gets done, it needs doing then f*** it, get Adebayo and Barkley in the summer. Go full Huddersfield on them.
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Have they not taken our 4 point deduction too well then? Not that I’m advocating myself for the job, but surely a Luton fans comments thread needs considering?!!
 
H

Harry1982

Grenville Morris
DizzyBala said:
Honestly after reading a bunch of Luton fans tweets today, we've gotta be the ones to send them down. I don't care if it has to be a final day job or clawing back points via appeal, however it gets done, it needs doing then f*** it, get Adebayo and Barkley in the summer. Go full Huddersfield on them.
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Twitter and Facebook you get complete arsehole of football fans, 90 per cent have never been to a match and don't think half of them are even arsed to be a arm chair fan. It's the new breed that look at the result and then become opinionated and talk and write utter bullocks to anyone that listens.

Personally whether it's because of the points deduction or whatever I'd give luton a standing ovation if they stayed up against all the odds. I'd prefer them to take everton place rather then our own but he who dares. We go down then so be it, keep who we can and build a solid team to come up back up with.
 
R

Red Dog in a Forest

Viv Anderson
redodare said:
The PL issued a statement that stuck to the facts and offered no opinion on the merits of the penalty.
Makes our emotional note , pointing fingers , seem plain daft.
Of course the PL will likely be lobbied by Luton, Everton who are very upset that their breach was for less but got more points and other enemies we seem happy to make:

The PL statement in full:

Nottingham Forest deducted four points following a breach of the Premier League’s Profitability and Sustainability Rules​

An independent Commission has applied an immediate four-point deduction to Nottingham Forest FC for a breach of the Premier League’s Profitability and Sustainability Rules (PSRs) for the period ending Season 2022/23.
Nottingham Forest was referred to an independent Commission on 15 January, following an admission by the club that it had breached the relevant PSR threshold of £61 million by £34.5 million. The threshold was lower than £105 million as the club spent two seasons of the assessment period in the EFL Championship. The case was heard in accordance with new Premier League Rules, which provide an expedited timetable for PSR cases to be resolved in the same season the complaint is issued.
The independent Commission determined the sanction following a two-day hearing this month, at which the club had the opportunity to detail a range of mitigating factors. The Commission found that the club had demonstrated “exceptional cooperation” in its dealings with the Premier League throughout the process.
Click here to read the independent Commission’s full written reasons.
Commissions are independent of the Premier League and member clubs. The members of the Commission were appointed by the independent Chair of the Premier League Judicial Panel
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Which would mean:

20-23 =
61m Allowable Losses
34.5m Over Permitted Losses

= 95.5m Total Losses

• 20/21 = +5 (known)
• 21/22 = -45 (known)
• 22/23 = -55.5 (surmised)


21-24 =
83m Allowable Losses
17.5m Over Permitted Losses

= 105.5m Total Losses (before 23/24 P&L)

• 21/22 = -45 (known)
• 22/23 = -55.5 (surmised)
• 23/24 = -??? (TBD)

+ 80m 23/24 player sales (inc. Mangala, Surridge etc…)
+ 120m (EPL) revenue 23/24 as opposed to Championship 20/21 revenue.

Not sure about anyone else, but that looks like we’ll be well within permitted losses for the 21-24 Reporting Period!

All we have to do now is stay up!! 🤪
 
isaacs

isaacs

Viv Anderson
Harry1982 said:
Twitter and Facebook you get complete arsehole of football fans, 90 per cent have never been to a match and don't think half of them are even arsed to be a arm chair fan. It's the new breed that look at the result and then become opinionated and talk and write utter bullocks to anyone that listens.

Personally whether it's because of the points deduction or whatever I'd give luton a standing ovation if they stayed up against all the odds. I'd prefer them to take everton place rather then our own but he who dares. We go down then so be it, keep who we can and build a solid team to come up back up with.
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A standing ovation? Balls to that

They're the cute little new puppy for the PL, harmless with their little old school dump of a stadium and their little hats spending pennies.

We're the bad guys, we actually have the stones to have a go with a Bond like villain steering the wheel. Actually speaking out against the league. Daring to spend like we belong here.

As another young lad in the past who dared to have a go once said;

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REDDERS78

REDDERS78

Jack Armstrong
Looking at this from a slightly different angle and based on the assumption the club took a gamble.

Obviously its not worked out but would it really be that ridiculous for them to assume or calculate a far better points tally at this stage of the season, given the investment?

I mean didnt we all assume as fans that we might not be so poor? I certainly did and we really should be on a position to not think twice about a points deduction, Im not sure how many points we have thrown away from winning positions but its way too many.

Whatever your thoughts its now down to the coaches and players to step up and give us what we expected all season, stand up and be counted and stop pissing chances up the wall and falling asleep at crucial moments.

Its not been anywhere remotely close to good enough I'm afraid.
 
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Erik

Erik

oopsy daisy!
LTLF Minion
UnFrustratedRed said:
That's f***ing disgusting, f*** off to Direby. I'm reporting this post but the admins seem to be onboard with your point of view, so you don't need to be concerned.
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You need to learn the difference between personal attacks over the owners weight/size and those which attack him for the way he runs the club.

They are 2 entirely different things.

I may be wrong, but I don't recall any of the moderation team having a dig at Marinakis's size/weight since the points deduction news broke.

If they have I am sure they would apologise. They don't, however, need to apologise for having a go at the way he's run the club whether you think they are right or wrong in that view.
 
M

Munich and Madrid

A. Trialist
While everyone is reading this thread, does anyone want about 200 programmes including both EC finals and,Fa Cup, league cup,Simon cup, Littlewoods cup.About 50 are cup matches and 150 league from 1978 to 1990. All in good condition. Postage cost only.PM me.
 
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YellowBelly Red

Viv Anderson
The Goverment are pushing through their legislation for a independent football regulator. Once Parliament get's it through and one is appointed, (hope its the excellent Tracey Crouch). then us fans should start to get a voice.

Our statement gave the PL notice that people are looking at them hard now. Same with Everton's last statement, and probably the one to come, should they get another points deduction.

We are sitting watching Man City win things with seemingly no impunity to financial breaches. Questions continue to swirl around Chelsea.

Top level football is getting boring now. The EFL cup final, and probably the FA cup final, being fought out by the same top 6 teams. The CL, same clubs year on year. The money men have destroyed any ambitions that a club that tries hard, maybe has a bit of luck, can actually go on to win things.
 
duncanmckenzie

duncanmckenzie

First Team Squad
However it works out we're going to be the bad guys. We broke the rules and if we get relegated we get what we deserve. If we stay up at the expense of plucky little Luton Town who not so long ago were non league we'll get slated. The good vibes we received last season following our amazing Championship run will count for nothing. And it'll be even worse if Everton go down instead of Forest. They've been in the top division for 25000 seasons don't you know plus they're a top 6 team. Nasty nasty Nottingham Forest.
 
UnFrustratedRed

UnFrustratedRed

Grenville Morris
Vikare said:
Tongue in cheek?

If not,

I feel obliged to report

that a casual observer (me,)

would not have interpreted "enormous" as anything other than an attempt to de-escalate the conversation.

I am with you on the general "call out hate speech always," but when holding that stance it is important to differentiate between hate speech and genuine botched attempts at humour, otherwise the message gets diluted.
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The comments about Mr Marinakis have been very far away from "botched attempts at humour". They have been disgraceful
 
Alf-engelos Mindminackers

Alf-engelos Mindminackers

The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
REDDERS78 said:
Looking at this from a slightly different angle and based on the assumption the club took a gamble.

Obviously its not worked out but would it really be that ridiculous for them to assume or calculate a far better points tally at this stage of the season, given the investment?

I mean didnt we all assume as fans that we might not be so poor? I certainly did and we really should be on a position to not think twice about a points deduction, Im not sure how many points we have thrown away from winning positions bit its way too many.

Whatever your thoughts its now down to the coaches and players to step up and give us what we expected all season, stand up and be counted and stop pissing chances up the wall and falling asleep at crucial moments.

Its not been anywhere remotely close to good enough I'm afraid.
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I mean, 2 coaches have not been able to get this squad away from the relegation zone. So I don't buy that they're the problem.

Just because we've spent money doesn't mean he squad is good. It's not. It has good components, but the overall balance and squad itself is relegation material, despite the amount spent.
 
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