Yossarian
Viv Anderson
Move on unless we go down, then sue the bastards.
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Financial Fair Play (FFP)
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Notcher
Stuart Pearce
Exactly. They've forgotten the reasons FFP/PSR was implemented and are trying to solve problems with restrictions to a questions that were never asked.
RedRobbo
Grenville Morris
Just a couple of thoughts
Do you know anything about Mr Marinakis?
Is irony not a thing in the West Midlands?
Steve B
Jack Armstrong
While in the championship yes, but not after you’ve joined the prem. loss allowances should be equal for all prem clubs, it’s completely unfair otherwise.
I agree that PSR could be improved in many ways but if Championship clubs were allowed to spend more for the year they were in the Championship it would in effect give them a greater allowance for the 2 years of PL football. I know this doesn't make any difference to the Man Uniteds of the world but it would give an unfair advantage over other newly promoted teams. Although Forest's accounts may be healthier now a loss of 80m+ over 3 years is quite significant. I don't know the answer to this but what would happen if the owner stopped helping the club? Look at Everton, an established PL club yet they need to borrow 20m a month to pay operational costs.
EmmersonForest4
Steve Chettle
PSR exists for a good reason and you all have to realise the top 6 still need 8 other clubs to pass it. So this isnt a top 6 dictat. Problem is PSR protects owners who dont have a lot of money and the top 6 want it for their own benefit to cement their places at the top.
PSR does stop bad business practice. The problem in football is there is no shared commercial structure that means all the teams in the prem share commercial revenue. That would make the league more competitive overnight and means PSR can stay but clubs wont have inbuilt advantages. It will also stop glory supporting overnight.
PSR does stop bad business practice. The problem in football is there is no shared commercial structure that means all the teams in the prem share commercial revenue. That would make the league more competitive overnight and means PSR can stay but clubs wont have inbuilt advantages. It will also stop glory supporting overnight.
I do know a bit about Mr Marinakis, but only what I was able to get from the internet, lots of colourful stuff out there. As for irony in the West Midlands, I don't live there and nor am I from there
MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
You don't need to give any unfair advantage to any clubs.
You can make it as simple as anything and just have it as £x allowable loss.... for every club, in every league, no rolling period.
That allows the big clubs to hoover up the talent still as the FA want, it allows fair competition for everyone else, it protects against short-termism like the 3 year rolling period can encourage.
Let's not forget Forest got a points deduction that we wouldn't have got if we were on a level playing field in terms of allowable losses with everyone else in the league.
I agree with a lot of what u say but the no shared commercial structure I am not so sure of. The prize money is shared between the 20 clubs with a reducing amount from 1st to 20th. It makes sense for the reward to be higher the higher up the table u finish imo
Exactly, promoted sides should get the same allowance. Established sides get to use their allowance every year to refresh the squad, newly promoted teams with the financial constraints of the championship often will carry the maximum numbers of loan players or players who’s ceiling is the championship into the new season and need replacing.
For FAIR PLAY the allowances are entirely the wrong way around, newly promoted teams should get the same allowance (or even more) as a minimum to be able to compete.
The way things are going they will by default create Premier League 2 which is what they want so they can truly control the next 15-20 sides and keep them in check
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TrentEndGaribaldi
Reidy
Fair enough, but I assume you are aware that Villa are not finding FFP easy to remain compliant with?
Bing Crosby's Head
A. Trialist
There's the same restrictions in League 1 as the Championship so you can only lose upto FFP limits. It can be a benefit, although Ipswich's FFP loss figure for the season they got promoted was £12.4m, so more or less bang on the EFL limit for the season (the prior two seasons they were a long way below it though before splashing cash post takeover).
Otis Redding
Try A Little Tenderness
Borson couldn't help himself from claiming that the appeal rejection was right and Forest don't deserve any sympathy, although (having evidently worked previously for them) he sounded a little uncomfortable when Jordan made the call that as opposed to us and Everton being found guilty of breaking rules, Man City have been charged with fraud, a far worse offence.
The rules are far from perfect and it is very easy to see weaknesses in all aspects of it but the rules still allow clubs to get promoted and compete. It is only about 7 years ago that all of Newcastle, Wolves, Villa, Brighton and Forest were in the Championship together. Newcastle, Villa, Brighton and Wolves all look like established PL sides now and Forest are working through the initial difficult couple of years trying to establish themselves. When we came up we avoided relegation on the last day and had the benefit of the goal against Sheffield United. Toon also came very close to relegation. You guys are probably doing better than we did. Also, this season 3 of the teams competed in European competition with Toon in the CL.
MC Plantpot
First Team Squad
Can we just call them ‘the six’ ? There’s certainly nothing ‘top’ about them. They’ve not even made it to the semifinals of any European competition this year. And they want a European super league!
League 1 doesn't have spending restriction on transfers, it only has on wages, see below
"Clubs in the League 1 and League 2 operate within a Spending Constraint framework termed Salary Cost Management Protocol (SMCP). SCMP limits spending on player wages to a percentage of club Turnover. In League 1 clubs can spend a maximum of 60% of their turnover on wages - in League 2, the limit is 55%. There are no restrictions (in themselves) on the amount a club can lose or spend on transfer fees."
SCMP (League 1 & 2)
Notcher
Stuart Pearce
He was noticeably squirming. His ability to condemn forest whilst simultaneously blindly defending Man City was almost impressive levels of cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy
valspoodle
Steve Chettle
Is it beyond the wit of man to come up with a system that's fair and works?
Redemption
One less gobshite...
Yes.
Red Ray's Redlist
Viv Anderson
The crazy thing is that the sheer act of being promoted has created a situation where clubs are immediately placed at a disadvantage over a 3 year period. Or they are if they openly report promotion bonuses correctly.
What real chance do promoted clubs have when they're hamstrung before they can kick a ball, or even sign player.
What real chance do promoted clubs have when they're hamstrung before they can kick a ball, or even sign player.
Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
Not surprised by the news, do think they're a load of twats. Onwards...
In reality we were very poorly ran whilst in the Championship.
Not reporting promotion bonuses is not just against PSR it is also tax evasion and illegal. As regards stopping clubs competing see my post above. It is only a few years ago Wolves, Forest, Toon, Villa and Brighton were in the Championship together. 3 of those teams were in Europe last season and it looks like two will be in Europe again this year. 3 finished top half last season, one in the top 4 and this year it looks like 2 will finish top half, there is a good chance it will be three and the likelihood is that one of those teams will also be in the top 4
Nail on head.
So many fans blame FFP/PSR/Refs/VAR and anything else they can come up with to justify why their club is not doing well and it is usually down to poor management