Financial Fair Play (FFP)

[RedRobbo]

It strikes me that - although the appeal throws us into unknown territory - it does the same for all other clubs in the lower reaches.
And I include Palace & Brentford in that - they will be afraid of being sucked in.

 

[Dino]

'There is a possibility' is merely a statement of fact, and that he's not called it a 'distant' or a 'strong' possibility means he's not really expressing an opinion on whether it's likely or not.

It is a fact that some believe that we got off lightly, and it is possible that another panel would have reached a different conclusion which is what Percy has stated. Or are you saying that Percy hasn't got an opinion on the issue?

Not looking for an argument, I'm not sure what your point is.

 

[congo_red_49]

It is a fact that some believe that we got off lightly, and it is possible that another panel would have reached a different conclusion which is what Percy has stated. Or are you saying that Percy hasn't got an opinion on the issue?

I'm saying that stating something is a possibility isn't committing to whether he thinks they would or wouldn't.

For example, if I make the statement: "There is a possibility that another panel would have reached a different conclusion"- is a neutral statement of fact.
If I make the statement: "There is a strong possibility that another panel would have reached a different conclusion" - is a statement that I believe the panel were wrong and would make a different decision.
If I make the statement: "There is a remote possibility that another panel would have reached a different conclusion" - is a statement that I believe the panel were correct and that another panel would likely make the same judgement.
Hence I believe Percy hasn't expressed his opinion on this issue. I can't speak to whether he has one or not.

 

[Otis Redding]

My favourite one that was doing the rounds on social media, was that we were getting the rough end of the refereeing decisions because we sacked Cooper and his old man used his contacts to have referees start giving whatever they could against us.
(Obviously this one ignores all the shitty decisions we got when Cooper was still in charge).

As you imply CR, that is ludicrous. I have it on impeccable authority that Keith Cooper would vocally make no secret of his disatisfaction at referee decisions at the CG on frequent occasions.

 

[GOBIAS]

I’m surprised we have appealed. As Andover said it does make me think different treatyof other clubs have come to light which I guess doesn’t change that we have breached but would surely open up questions for the panel.

 

[Flaggers]

I think he’d nuke France first, but that’s my biased opinion


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I think I just want to nuke France


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We all would...

 

[Raymondo Ponte']

We all would...

Especially the French !

 

[Captain Sinister]

Not a dig at you in particular, but I keep seeing this “well all the teams sign up to the rules so it’s their own fault” kind of argument, like teams have any meaningful choice in the matter. Like If EM had said in July 2022 “hang on a minute, these rules are shite! I’m not signing up to them.” would that have been met with anything other than complete bemusement?

You obviously didn't read/comprehend my final sentence, where I said that the argumen t would ultimately be that clubs have to sign the Articles, or be refused admission.

 

[Dino]

I'm saying that stating something is a possibility isn't committing to whether he thinks they would or wouldn't.

For example, if I make the statement: "There is a possibility that another panel would have reached a different conclusion"- is a neutral statement of fact.
If I make the statement: "There is a strong possibility that another panel would have reached a different conclusion" - is a statement that I believe the panel were wrong and would make a different decision.
If I make the statement: "There is a remote possibility that another panel would have reached a different conclusion" - is a statement that I believe the panel were correct and that another panel would likely make the same judgement.
Hence I believe Percy hasn't expressed his opinion on this issue. I can't speak to whether he has one or not.

Fine - Your take is different to mine, this is a forum for an exchange of views.

 

[Robertson]

You obviously didn't read/comprehend my final sentence, where I said that the argumen t would ultimately be that clubs have to sign the Articles, or be refused admission.

You obviously didn't read/comprehend my first sentence, where I said my comment wasn't a dig at you in particular, and chose to respond with a dig of your own.

Like I said, clubs have no choice but to sign up to the rules, given refusing promotion to the premier league isn't really an option for a club owner that doesn't want to get lynched.

 

[Captain Sinister]

You obviously didn't read/comprehend my first sentence, where I said my comment wasn't a dig at you in particular, and chose to respond with a dig of your own.

I didn't mean it to be a dig - your post simply seemed to miss my final point.
Apologies for any offence taken.
None was intended.

 

[Robertson]

I didn't mean it to be a dig - your post simply seemed to miss my final point.
Apologies for any offence taken.
None was intended.

No worries - apologies for my own spikiness. You are no doubt right from a legal standpoint, the choice was sign up to the rules or stay in the EFL.

 

[RedHelly]

I understand why the club has appealed but wouldn't it be nice not to have all of this speculation?
I hope it doesn't affect the players and coaches during the vital last few games of the season.

 

[Timothy Pope]

Can I just apologise too?
I’m not sure what for yet - but I’d hate to offend anyone.


Ps. I’m sorry about my apologetic attitude.

 

[enlightened]

And them taking away two points and faiing to stay up by 1 or two points or on gold difference wouldn't be a "what if" moment. I would have left it as it was and have the players fight knowing what they have to do to stay up.

Which is why it's a horrible position to be in obviously!

 

[Notcher]

I love David Icke and I totally agree alot of what he says is complete lunacy but there is also quite alot of what he has said that has come completely true but what interests me most about him is the way he tells the story's because there is no doubt whatsoever he completely believes what he says and I find that fascinating great bedtime listening but I love conspiracy theories if I believe most of them is a totally different matter

A lot of the stuff said (most in fact) actually played out exactly the way he said. He ruined a lot of his credibility and the 20 years it took to build up when he started talking about the reptilian lizard people. I was gutted for him when he said it.

 

[Strummer]

Can I just apologise too?
I’m not sure what for yet - but I’d hate to offend anyone.


Ps. I’m sorry about my apologetic attitude.

I never knew you were Canadian!

 

[RianBrice]

That would be a tragic loss; the culture, the food, the women…

Why not pick on someone else? I mean, as an American, I am sure there is a Latin-American republic struggling its way to democracy that you could pick on first!







(joke, obvs; we all know it would be North Korea….)

Wales?

 

[YellowBelly Red]

Stick together as a club, then we'll be fine. Players, fans, staff have all got their part to play in taking us forward.

 

[enlightened]

Stick together as a club, then we'll be fine. Players, fans, staff have all got their part to play in taking us forward.

Luton presumably saying the same thing.

 

[I'm Red Till Dead]

Which is why it's a horrible position to be in obviously!

It is.

For me be in a position where you know what you have to do, Everton 2nd charge aside, and go out and try and do it on the pitch.

It's not my £100m+ on the line though.

 

[Jimmy]

In the Everton Appeal, one of their points was that the complied fully and completely with the commission and some mitigation for good behaviour was forthcoming.

The appeal rejected this, saying that compliance is the default state and expected behaviour.

The EPL could use that against against Forest’s good behaviour.

It was an independent commission, not the EPL, that set the points deduction. We won't be appealing to the EPL. Unless the EPL appeal the decision then we won't get those points deducted. Have the EPL appealed to the independent commission?

 

[Grenville 1898]

..my limited knowledge of the southern states as being something like a theme-park populated by lunatics.

Sounds like a Fun Boy Three song.

 

[SouthManchesterTree]

Agree. Neither Forest nor Leicester were in the PL when the rules were introduced. They don’t help bring them about and have no meaningful choice but to sign up to them

 

[Green Jumper]

I wouldn't worry about the loss of any credit for compliance as it's a stated finding of the commission with much of the specifics already on the record.

I suspect the appeal will centre around the extra point docked for the level of the breach (the view that the level of compliance should mitigate any additional penalty over the basic 3 points is an arguable point) and the omission of certain sums from the calculations used (there are obvious inconsistencies in the approaches in the various cases which could be used to undermine confidence in the process itself, which will work in our favour).

The approach has to be to continue to portray the PL as the protectionist cartel it clearly is, both during the appeal process and any future court challenge.