Everybody loves Gareth

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EmmersonForest4

Steve Chettle
eugenboppboppbopp said:
Probably not but home advantage and trying to win with the bench would've been enough to win imo

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It was 1-1 after 120 mins we lost on pennos there was nothing between us. It’s progress, the only way Southgate loses his job in my opinion is if people think the squad is one of the best 2 in Europe. I think we don’t have the game to dominate big nations so I’m grateful we got to a final and proud of the boys.
 
Masuka

Masuka

Jack Burkitt
Lovely man and should have a role with the FA for life, but lets get an actual manager in and not miss out on the opportunity to win a tournament with the team we have. Italy have won the lot with a brilliant manager in Mancini, lets get a manager of his quality to manage us.
 
DapperDan

DapperDan

Steve Chettle
Masuka said:
Lovely man and should have a role with the FA for life, but lets get an actual manager in and not miss out on the opportunity to win a tournament with the team we have. Italy have won the lot with a brilliant manager in Mancini, lets get a manager of his quality to manage us.
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Who though? That's the thing, there are hardly a raft of managers to choose from.
 
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Timothy Pope

I know that Nuno that I know that Nuno that I know
Southgate has taken us further than any managers since Alf Ramsey, yet he’s shit?

We’ve just lost to the tournament favourites on penalties ffs!

You lot really are a bunch of fannies! Grow some fvcking balls and accept that we lost to a much better, more experienced and talented team - on penalties, which are always a lottery no matter how much you practice.


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Fitzcarraldo

Fitzcarraldo

Ian Storey-Moore
Southgate has finally erased his own personal torment of that penalty miss by giving us that second-half showing. We all know the English 'issue' and yet here we are - unforgivable.
 
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EmmersonForest4

Steve Chettle
Timothy Pope said:
Southgate has taken us further than any managers since Alf Ramsey, yet he’s shit?

We’ve just lost to the tournament favourites on penalties ffs!

You lot really are a bunch of fannies! Grow some fvcking balls and accept that we lost to a much better, more experienced and talented team - on penalties, which are always a lottery no matter how much you practice.


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Depends on how people rate the team. What I cant accept is if people think we have a great team that is the best in Europe yet want Southgate to stay. I dont subscribe to that view I think we have an overrated squad that Southgate has arguably by beating Germany got more out of it. We beat teams we should and Germany which is a 50 50 and lost to a team that is much better than us. So he has done a good job,
 
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MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
Can't argue with results. Ultimately no one could beat us in 90 minutes and we only didn't win the whole thing on a penalty shootout.

I'd have liked to have seen much more of Foden but would we have won it if he played more? Probably not.
 
valspoodle

valspoodle

Steve Chettle
Lose a game, specially one as high profile as this, and everyone starts to examine your record.

No doubt his CV has a few more holes than are evident on a quick glance, but there is no English manager with any better qualifications at the moment. Sadly.

So we soldier on. We have games coming up and it will be interesting to see if he changes tack or keeps the same tactical plan with the same players. A rather sterile, backs to the wall sort of strategy IMO. For instance, why did our main man, goalscorer extra ordinary Harry Kane start doing the job Jack Grealish specialises in? Why do our back line just move the ball from player to player (annoyingly always putting the pass just behind the player instead of in front of him, slowing things down still further) instead of moving it around if the idea is to draw the opposition forward?
 
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Francis Benali (on loan)

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valspoodle said:
Put him in charge of a Prem team and watch them plummet.
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Maybe. Would make a change from putting a Prem manager in charge of the the national team and watching England plummet. Not a lot of interest in seeing either, to be honest.
 
Heffing Psycho!

Heffing Psycho!

Steve Chettle
I like Southgate but I do get the feeling those coaches he has with him do the brunt of the tactical work, nothing wrong with that; he's like the likeable, (sometimes) charismatic lead singer who can't play an actual instrument but can play a crowd or the fans and media in Southgate's case. If he stays on I hope we do get a bit braver otherwise I'd also love to see Brendan Rogers have a bash at it, if he'd take it.
 
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EmmersonForest4

Steve Chettle
Heffing Psycho! said:
I like Southgate but I do get the feeling those coaches he has with him do the brunt of the tactical work, nothing wrong with that; he's like the likeable, (sometimes) charismatic lead singer who can't play an actual instrument but can play a crowd or the fans and media in Southgate's case. If he stays on I hope we do get a bit braver otherwise I'd also love to see Brendan Rogers have a bash at it, if he'd take it.
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I understand the clamour for an attacking manager and maybe we should try and give it a bash just to see if it works. However I have hardly seen an England team play a top tier nation off the park. Netherlands 96 and Germany 5-1?? Cant think of many more, I thick technically we struggle a lot to press good teams.

However unless we try it and put it to the test we are always going to have these questions.

What I hope next is a genuine look at youth coaching in this country and playing pitches. St Georges Park is the first stage but we now need to become like Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands in how we cultivate footballers.

If I wanted to play Tennis as a kid I go to a club and I would get taught how to play Tennis and the fundamentals. At football when I was younger it was a bit of a shit show. It was a glorified play date and some poor parents dad trying his best on pitches in winter that were not conducive to technicians. I know its not going to be easy but there needs to be culture change.
 
Strummer

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
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EmmersonForest4 said:
If I wanted to play Tennis as a kid I go to a club and I would get taught how to play Tennis and the fundamentals. At football when I was younger it was a bit of a shit show. It was a glorified play date and some poor parents dad trying his best on pitches in winter that were not conducive to technicians. I know its not going to be easy but there needs to be culture change.
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Money, Emmo.

The culture here in Germany - the Verein-Kultur - comes from the pride in playing for and supporting your local club, because that club is properly funded and has excellent facilities for members to use.

When you travel around Germany, even the smallest village clubs have the kinds of setup that put their English equivalents to shame, and that’s down to money, and - again, unlike the U.K. - not having a pathological and ideological desire to sell-off seemingly as much green-space as possible to property developers.
 
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Berkshire Red

Jack Armstrong
The worrying news is they're still considering some honours for the manager and squad! We just lost FFS! It could be acceptable if we had won the tournament but surely you can't give Gareth a knighthood for getting us to a final? This is the culture we have in this country, and it stops us from getting to the next level.

Southgate messed up last night, his substitutions were poor and badly timed. When the second half was going badly wrong we just continued as though it was going well. Mount did nothing yet stayed on the pitch for far too long. I do hope that Rice had noting left to give as he was excellent and it should have been Philips going off for Henderson. Why he didn't challenge their back line with some fresh pace in extra time is beyond me, do you think that Chiellini and Bonucci would have liked Sancho running at them late on?

Foden's absence was telling, he looked excellent late on against Denmark.

Southgate has done a god job, look at where we were. But can he take us forward? Is he nasty enough, attacking enough to pounce on those key moments when you need to go for the jugular? I don't think so. By the next tournament Jude Bellingham will have played another full season at Dortmund so should be a shoe in in the centre of midfield, removing one of the technically inept duo. Saka, Greenwood, Sancho and others will be more mature, ready to perform on the big stage consistently. And maybe our manager will have worked a way to get the best out of Mount, if he intends to play him every game. He has been the big disappointment for me but maybe it was the system's fault.

As for the penalty takers? Just wrong. Rashford and Sancho needed more time on the field and Saka? Poor lad. Southgate owes him big time.
 
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Francis Benali (on loan)

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Rice was excellent.

Reported on the BBC he went off with a knock.
 
Strummer

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
Jude Bellingham is a player I’ve seen quite a lot of, and I have to say, I’m a fan.

I think he’d give England something different in midfield, maybe allowing them a more natural 4-3-3 (he often plays in a midfield three for BVB).
 
MASE

MASE

Up-Front
redtreeant said:
Southgate saying he chose the penalty takers based on training , crazy if true, should ask for volunteers
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Difficult to know whether he's genuine or not, Southgates always been a willing fall guy.

Id like to think Grealish & Sterling put their hand up before Saka though, both should have been further up the queue. Saka putting his penalty in the exact same spot Sanchos was saved probably testament to that.
 
Heffing Psycho!

Heffing Psycho!

Steve Chettle
EmmersonForest4 said:
I understand the clamour for an attacking manager and maybe we should try and give it a bash just to see if it works. However I have hardly seen an England team play a top tier nation off the park. Netherlands 96 and Germany 5-1?? Cant think of many more, I thick technically we struggle a lot to press good teams.

However unless we try it and put it to the test we are always going to have these questions.

What I hope next is a genuine look at youth coaching in this country and playing pitches. St Georges Park is the first stage but we now need to become like Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands in how we cultivate footballers.

If I wanted to play Tennis as a kid I go to a club and I would get taught how to play Tennis and the fundamentals. At football when I was younger it was a bit of a shit show. It was a glorified play date and some poor parents dad trying his best on pitches in winter that were not conducive to technicians. I know its not going to be easy but there needs to be culture change.
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I think it is changing and has been over the last couple of decades, I agree grassroots still needs a lot more investment if we're to catch up with other countries but I think attitude towards the young players we're brining through has changed, you don't have to be a big Steven Gerrard type anymore to be considered good enough to 'make it' and those smaller, technical midfielders aren't being forced to play out wide these day, if Scholes was in his prime now there's no way he'd be playing left midfield for England like he was back then.
 
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