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Evangelos Marinakis Megathread!

Redemption

Redemption

Chief Eye Roller
Listen 'ere young man said:
You think big clubs like Man U, Liverpool etc rely on gate receipts alone and funding from owners?

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They sell merchandise and licencing of the logo of course. This nets them over £100m per season. But it comes from a legacy of perpetual winning, not from selling the brand.

But Liverpool's biggest investment in the last 10 years has been on creating extra capacity. A new stand, with 8500 extra seats, and stand redevelopment with 5000 extra seats.
 
Rzar

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
It's obviously not all to do with selling the brand or marketing but it does make a difference.

Newcastle had no commercial growth at all in 10 years under Ashley because the brand was toxic and it decreased their spending power.
 
Rzar

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
Redemption said:
It's important in converting desire to sales.

But, in football, the desire (for association) comes from winning.
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But what came first the chicken or the egg?

You can't get into a position to win without the other.

Forest have done a great job of raising our profile in the past 18 months not just as a PL club but as a serious PL club, this is less to do with the UK fanbase but the global potential thats there.
 
eyupmeduck

eyupmeduck

Geoff Thomas
NFFCForeverRed said:
I wish the fan base would sing a few more songs in appreciation of the Marinakis family. They have been awesome owners and ploughed so much money in to the Club. I get the "Super Cooper" every 5 minutes but we need to also show our appreciation for the off the pitch side as well.
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I mean not to be a pedant because I do kind of see your point but the "Magic on and off the pitch song" is probably the most sung song over the past 2 or 3 years, especially as it took the roof off versus City.

For me I like his ambition but I'm still a bit reserved in going overboard with praise because of past experiences with Fawaz and also seeing what has happened up the a52 as well as recognising that things can change quickly in football.


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Quntib Hollox

Quntib Hollox

Jack Armstrong
Est.1865 said:
I think he’s bang on personally. We’ve just done Chelsea, robbed against Utd. Even last season a near relegated Southampton ran Arsenal ragged. We subsequently beat them. And but for poor defending we could have had the scousers twice etc.

Losing shouldn’t be accepted.
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You should give our fans a bit more credit. We realise our team has needed time to gel and get used to the league. Also the value of our squad has been the bottom end in this league. All this is gradually changing and developing and with it our expectations will increase.
 
Redemption

Redemption

Chief Eye Roller
Rzar said:
But what came first the chicken or the egg?

You can't get into a position to win without the other.

Forest have done a great job of raising our profile in the past 18 months not just as a PL club but as a serious PL club, this is less to do with the UK fanbase but the global potential thats there.
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There is no chicken or egg.

Newcastle are going through a commercial transformation because the owner injected capital.

That allowed the clubbto compete more effectively.

The competition improvement allowed them to be more commercially viable, selling more shirts to existing fans.

Etc.

The reason that there is a top 6 or 7 broadly that winning on field confers commercial advantages.

For the top clubs, the original advantage was gained in 1960s and was directly related to stadium capacity, which produced a legacy of winning.

By the 1990s, this was consolidated in the emergence of the revenues from TV and UCL.

This powered the advtages that keep growing since the late 2000s with inflating TV licensing.

Its pretty much path-dependent.

Any club trying to break into it needs external investment first to create a momentum that pulls advantage toward them. It's super difficult to maintain without continual investment.

Some clubs have followed a methodology in which external investment can be boosted by player development and sales in the attempt to stay the race.

There's a concept in evolutionary economincs known as the 'Red Queen Effect', in which lagging competitors are said to need to "run twice as fast just to stand still." It's a quote from the Red Queen in Alice Through The Looking Glass, when Alice and the Quee have a running race. Its metaphor about the maintenance of long term advantage relative to contemporaneous performance.

If you listen to the Price of Football podcast, or catch Keiran Maguire in the media, he often uses the phrase "its not just about the size of the pie but how the pie is sliced."

You can think of the advantage as an absolute gap in a relative landscape. For a quick example think of two competitors sharing a 100 unit pie, one having 80 units the other 20 units. The gap is 60 units. If the pie doubles in units, to 200, but the slices stay the same relative percentage, the gap also doubled to 120 units.

To maintain the absolute gap of 60 unit, the laggard competitor would have to take 4 times their original share - grow their share "twice as fast" as the whole pie.

Sorry for the long post, but there is no chicken and egg.
 
Est.1865

Est.1865

Screw The PL
Quntib Hollox said:
You should give our fans a bit more credit. We realise our team has needed time to gel and get used to the league. Also the value of our squad has been the bottom end in this league. All this is gradually changing and developing and with it our expectations will increase.
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My comment isn’t a slight against our fans so I don’t know where that impression comes from. I’m simply agreeing with the owners mentality statement.
 
Harvey

Harvey

Chrissy Cohen
Redemption said:
There is no chicken or egg.

Newcastle are going through a commercial transformation because the owner injected capital.

That allowed the clubbto compete more effectively.

The competition improvement allowed them to be more commercially viable, selling more shirts to existing fans.

Etc.

The reason that there is a top 6 or 7 broadly that winning on field confers commercial advantages.

For the top clubs, the original advantage was gained in 1960s and was directly related to stadium capacity, which produced a legacy of winning.

By the 1990s, this was consolidated in the emergence of the revenues from TV and UCL.

This powered the advtages that keep growing since the late 2000s with inflating TV licensing.

Its pretty much path-dependent.

Any club trying to break into it needs external investment first to create a momentum that pulls advantage toward them. It's super difficult to maintain without continual investment.

Some clubs have followed a methodology in which external investment can be boosted by player development and sales in the attempt to stay the race.

There's a concept in evolutionary economincs known as the 'Red Queen Effect', in which lagging competitors are said to need to "run twice as fast just to stand still." It's a quote from the Red Queen in Alice Through The Looking Glass, when Alice and the Quee have a running race. Its metaphor about the maintenance of long term advantage relative to contemporaneous performance.

If you listen to the Price of Football podcast, or catch Keiran Maguire in the media, he often uses the phrase "its not just about the size of the pie but how the pie is sliced."

You can think of the advantage as an absolute gap in a relative landscape. For a quick example think of two competitors sharing a 100 unit pie, one having 80 units the other 20 units. The gap is 60 units. If the pie doubles in units, to 200, but the slices stay the same relative percentage, the gap also doubled to 120 units.

To maintain the absolute gap of 60 unit, the laggard competitor would have to take 4 times their original share - grow their share "twice as fast" as the whole pie.

Sorry for the long post, but there is no chicken and egg.
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TLDR:

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Bob D'Imsen

Bob D'Imsen

Japanese Tourist
Redemption said:
There is no chicken or egg.

Newcastle are going through a commercial transformation because the owner injected capital.

That allowed the clubbto compete more effectively.

The competition improvement allowed them to be more commercially viable, selling more shirts to existing fans.

Etc.

The reason that there is a top 6 or 7 broadly that winning on field confers commercial advantages.

For the top clubs, the original advantage was gained in 1960s and was directly related to stadium capacity, which produced a legacy of winning.

By the 1990s, this was consolidated in the emergence of the revenues from TV and UCL.

This powered the advtages that keep growing since the late 2000s with inflating TV licensing.

Its pretty much path-dependent.

Any club trying to break into it needs external investment first to create a momentum that pulls advantage toward them. It's super difficult to maintain without continual investment.

Some clubs have followed a methodology in which external investment can be boosted by player development and sales in the attempt to stay the race.

There's a concept in evolutionary economincs known as the 'Red Queen Effect', in which lagging competitors are said to need to "run twice as fast just to stand still." It's a quote from the Red Queen in Alice Through The Looking Glass, when Alice and the Quee have a running race. Its metaphor about the maintenance of long term advantage relative to contemporaneous performance.

If you listen to the Price of Football podcast, or catch Keiran Maguire in the media, he often uses the phrase "its not just about the size of the pie but how the pie is sliced."

You can think of the advantage as an absolute gap in a relative landscape. For a quick example think of two competitors sharing a 100 unit pie, one having 80 units the other 20 units. The gap is 60 units. If the pie doubles in units, to 200, but the slices stay the same relative percentage, the gap also doubled to 120 units.

To maintain the absolute gap of 60 unit, the laggard competitor would have to take 4 times their original share - grow their share "twice as fast" as the whole pie.

Sorry for the long post, but there is no chicken and egg.
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What if it's a chicken and mushroom pie?

Or a Gala Pie?
 
MansfieldRed

MansfieldRed

Grenville Morris
Rzar said:
But what came first the chicken or the egg?

You can't get into a position to win without the other.

Forest have done a great job of raising our profile in the past 18 months not just as a PL club but as a serious PL club, this is less to do with the UK fanbase but the global potential thats there.
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The egg. By millennia. :p
 
oobidoobi

oobidoobi

First Team Squad
Unfortunately our YouTube presence is hampered by you know who and his not so merry band of enablers, who do NOT enhance the brand or its marketing potential.
 
Malwood

Malwood

Geoff Thomas
NFFCForeverRed said:
I wish the fan base would sing a few more songs in appreciation of the Marinakis family. They have been awesome owners and ploughed so much money in to the Club. I get the "Super Cooper" every 5 minutes but we need to also show our appreciation for the off the pitch side as well.
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Good point
 
S

SouthManchesterTree

First Team Squad
Redemption said:
Although it's a nice sentiment I disagree with him to some extent.

It's true for the players amd staff, I don't have an issue with that. Performance improvements are built on motivation.

But for fans? He's OK to push the line of discontent with Oly losing. They are the top club in Greece. Winning is an entitlement that Oly fans have.

But in England, having Forest fans discontent with losing will quickly turn the atmosphere sour.

The fan cultures are different in Greece and England. Our last two seasons have been remarkable for the way the fans have backed the team at home and away, but it would be a different story if we returned to the disappointment we've experienced in recent years.

Last season, Fulham at home, the fans were worse than subdued simply on the team selection. The fans could lift the players and vice versa.
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I basically agree with him.

It isn’t acceptable that clubs like Brighton, Brentford, Wolves and Leicester have been more successful than us over recent years. The quarter of a century from 1997-2022 was flat out unacceptable. Being outside the Premier League is unacceptable.

Marinakis wants relentless improvement rather than ‘we gave it a good go’ and that’s got to be a good thing. He wants a winning culture in every aspect of the club.

But I agree it isn’t good to be impatient to the point of being rash.
 
Omar Devone Little

Omar Devone Little

Mr Realistic
GreeksBearingGifts said:
Marinakis jr. seems to have learned his lesson from the complaints over the somewhat excessive portrayal of his role in the previous summer window and had a significantly toned down media presence this window. This is nicely summarized in his latest tweet, which puts emphasis on team effort for transfers ("thanks to everyone involved").
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I'd be keeping my head down if I was him after Lingard as well 😆
 
Shearstone

Shearstone

Misses the champ
trentend1865 said:
www.nottinghamforest.co.uk

A letter from Mr. Marinakis

The Official Website of Nottingham Forest Football Club: get the latest news, highlights, fixtures and results, tickets and more.
www.nottinghamforest.co.uk www.nottinghamforest.co.uk

Big plans still then... That's a would you like to run through this brick wall for me kinda statement!
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Him and his team definitely have a flair for a good statement don't they.
 
Morpeth

Morpeth

John Robertson
Yeah that’s an all round great statement, timed to perfection.

I don’t think I saw the words ‘new main stand’ in it either 🤔
 
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