• All - as you will understand, the forum is exceptionally busy at this time. The admins and moderators simply don't have time to read every post in every thread. Could you PLEASE use the "Report" option below a post to flag any content that you feel we need to be aware of. We'll review everything reported as a priority and deal with it accordingly. Thank you.

Douglas Alan „Dougie“ Freedman

rogerthecat

rogerthecat

Jack Burkitt
6848f68f690eb117eafad6b3d0247ce0.png


Hmmm
 
Hermz

Hermz

Jack Burkitt
He's probably about right though (unfortunately). I'd be more worried if he said Rotherham were the best team in the league.
 
MapperleyRed

MapperleyRed

First Team Squad
Given the revolving door approach of the club's ownership to the team's manager, the only type of manager that we're gonna be able to attract is a very young and upcoming manager.

I back Dougie - not just cos he's the new manager but cos I get the impression he seems to have a good deal of football nouse.
 
S

SLM92NF

Jack Burkitt
MapperleyRed said:
Given the revolving door approach of the club's ownership to the team's manager, the only type of manager that we're gonna be able to attract is a very young and upcoming manager.

I back Dougie - not just cos he's the new manager but cos I get the impression he seems to have a good deal of football nouse.
Click to expand...

Is this majorly different from any other chamionship club though? I mean let's face it there are probably what 3 other clubs in quite similar situations to ourselves in Reading, Charlton and both of which changed managers much earlier to ourselves.

Whether that's right or not for those, especially Charlton is debatable. But the point I'm making is, this method of running the club is not unique to Nottingham Forest and hasn't been for quite some time. This is the 17th managerial change since the start of the season in the championship, the 17th! It's still attracted managers like Clarke, Powell, Garcia and Hughton to take on jobs in this division, very well respected managers.

This is the reality of championship football. Regardless of your thoughts on it's merits and the right's or wrongs no manager worth his salt in this division is going to get anywhere if they turn down jobs because of the turnover of management staff.

Was it the right call to sack SP? For me yes, absolutely. Stability has merit but only when there is signs of progress and I stand by the fact there was, for me, no sign of us going places or progressing, you could easily argue we were actually going backwards at a concerningly fast rate.

Is Dougie Freedman the right replacement? I don't know. On the face of it, it's a no when looking at the candidates he wouldn't have been top of my list. When I think about it and his CV though, given the embargo, given the type of football he tried to introduce at Bolton (which is a hell of a challenge up there let's be fair) and think of a very good job done at Palace there are grounds and reasons to think maybe it's not such a bad appointment, the next few months will tell us more.

Put it this way Rosler was probably 1 of my 2 top choices. If you look at his CV and you look at Freedmans, you have very similar track records in many senses. Forget stats, percentages and how many games they've won that's no way to define a manager because the expectations are different at each club. I don't see why that's being used, I do think he is a better manager than Stuart Pearce so in that sense it's probably right. I just don't think that unless it's till the end of the season and seeing how he gets on, it was the best route for us to take longer term.
 
Strummer

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
The reality of Championship football is that the same pool of managers float between the same clubs before getting the same payoffs when sacked before picking up another gig from another one of the same clubs.

Rinse and repeat.

The financial disparity of the Premier League means club owners, including our own, don't want to build for the long term sustainability of the club, they want shit or bust and promotion "now".

Welcome to modern football.
 
Senior Flange Technician

Senior Flange Technician

Andy!
chriscl said:
The reality of Championship football is that the same pool of managers float between the same clubs before getting the same payoffs when sacked before picking up another gig from another one of the same clubs.

Rinse and repeat.

The financial disparity of the Premier League means club owners, including our own, don't want to build for the long term sustainability of the club, they want shit or bust and promotion "now".

Welcome to modern football.
Click to expand...

I don't like it. I may just leave you lot to play with football while I ride off into the sunset.
 
incapable hulk

incapable hulk

Best served cold
chriscl said:
The reality of Championship football is that the same pool of managers float between the same clubs before getting the same payoffs when sacked before picking up another gig from another one of the same clubs.

Rinse and repeat.

The financial disparity of the Premier League means club owners, including our own, don't want to build for the long term sustainability of the club, they want shit or bust and promotion "now".

Welcome to modern football.
Click to expand...

Good post, I clicked dislike by mistake!!
 
tropix

tropix

Steve Chettle
chriscl said:
The reality of Championship football is that the same pool of managers float between the same clubs before getting the same payoffs when sacked before picking up another gig from another one of the same clubs.

Rinse and repeat.

The financial disparity of the Premier League means club owners, including our own, don't want to build for the long term sustainability of the club, they want shit or bust and promotion "now".

Welcome to modern football.
Click to expand...

It's just a game

Something to entertain us before we die
 
J

JordanForest

Jack Burkitt
Red Sox said:
posting this a 3rd time because the win % is being used alot. When stuart pearce has managed england u-21s and great britain, stats which i dont think can compare to club football, and dougie freedman has palace's relegation days form under him.

He guided palace out of relegation in 2011 after Burley. Huge sucess for them really. Expected to go down.

Finished 17th with Palace the following season, when you would have to say they were expected to go down again, 16 points clear. I guess palace fans would call that a mediocre season, but from an outsiders point of view getting palace 16 points clear was a sucess.

2012-2013 Got palace to 4th in the table! with spells on top, nobody expected that! huge sucess! Then took on bolton and got them from relegation candidates to missing outside on the play offs with goal difference. Another huge sucess really! He was brought in to stop relegation and almost secured play offs.

2013-2014 Mid table finish with bolton, awful start to the season but results picked up towards the end. Bad season, bolton expected play offs.

2014-2015 awful season, almost lost everything.

I didnt want Pearce to leave, i didnt want Freedman in, but he is for the forseeable future. Lets back him, dont make this hard job any harder and lets try and help the team out. We could get his palace days form. I would take his 2012-2013 season in a heartbeat.
Click to expand...
Nice stats, encouraging.

Also shows how good stability is too!
 
D

Dangerous Dom

Viv Anderson
I'm getting behind the new boss Pearce looked shocking in the end and according to radio reports him an wigely didn't have a clue and players fell out with them....
 
Senior Flange Technician

Senior Flange Technician

Andy!
Dangerous Dom said:
I'm getting behind the new boss Pearce looked shocking in the end and according to radio reports him an wigely didn't have a clue and players fell out with them....
Click to expand...

Where are these reports? Genuine question.
 
Barry

Barry

Where's me hammer?
Probably a caller said it on matchtalk.

It then becomes fact.
 
Player-12

Player-12

First Team Squad
mouldynffc said:
Is this majorly different from any other chamionship club though? I mean let's face it there are probably what 3 other clubs in quite similar situations to ourselves in Reading, Charlton and both of which changed managers much earlier to ourselves.

Whether that's right or not for those, especially Charlton is debatable. But the point I'm making is, this method of running the club is not unique to Nottingham Forest and hasn't been for quite some time. This is the 17th managerial change since the start of the season in the championship, the 17th! It's still attracted managers like Clarke, Powell, Garcia and Hughton to take on jobs in this division, very well respected managers.

This is the reality of championship football. Regardless of your thoughts on it's merits and the right's or wrongs no manager worth his salt in this division is going to get anywhere if they turn down jobs because of the turnover of management staff.

Was it the right call to sack SP? For me yes, absolutely. Stability has merit but only when there is signs of progress and I stand by the fact there was, for me, no sign of us going places or progressing, you could easily argue we were actually going backwards at a concerningly fast rate.

Is Dougie Freedman the right replacement? I don't know. On the face of it, it's a no when looking at the candidates he wouldn't have been top of my list. When I think about it and his CV though, given the embargo, given the type of football he tried to introduce at Bolton (which is a hell of a challenge up there let's be fair) and think of a very good job done at Palace there are grounds and reasons to think maybe it's not such a bad appointment, the next few months will tell us more.

Put it this way Rosler was probably 1 of my 2 top choices. If you look at his CV and you look at Freedmans, you have very similar track records in many senses. Forget stats, percentages and how many games they've won that's no way to define a manager because the expectations are different at each club. I don't see why that's being used, I do think he is a better manager than Stuart Pearce so in that sense it's probably right. I just don't think that unless it's till the end of the season and seeing how he gets on, it was the best route for us to take longer term.
Click to expand...

Good post

I agree with you on almost everything, i however wouldve let pearce see the season out. i dont think we wouldve been relegated, and lets see if there is any change in the disaster on field. Then made the change. Current managers i think freedman is up there with the best fits. Win percentage is an awful way to view him.
 
Alexandro Garibaldi

Alexandro Garibaldi

Bang Bang
Freedman steps into Pearce's shoes...

15_02_02_freedman_pearce_shoes.png
 
rogerthecat

rogerthecat

Jack Burkitt
Alex said:
Freedman steps into Pearce's shoes...

15_02_02_freedman_pearce_shoes.png
Click to expand...

Funny but I don't agree. Pearce's appointment was all about restructuring the whole Club. The loss of a CEO, who I doubt will be replaced, and the appointment of Freedman narrows that focus down to nothing other than first team results.

In that respect Freedman might as well be stepping into a pair of knitted bootees.
 
rogerthecat

rogerthecat

Jack Burkitt
Dangerous Dom said:
I'm getting behind the new boss Pearce looked shocking in the end and according to radio reports him an wigely didn't have a clue and players fell out with them....
Click to expand...

He's looked rough for a while. A sure sign of the pressure he felt.

His nose is pretty purple for a non drinker too.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top Bottom