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That cup game at home v Man Utd... When Robins saved Fergies arse? I guess we all do in a way BUT does anyone remember Jemmo nodding in a would be equiliser when a yard onside?
Unless the TV is playing tricks, and the Trend End provided the better view (guess it would be tempting to think had gone out though! - Maybe Main Stand would give the best view) I think the ball was kept in for their goal.
For the disallowed one (shown at the end) Jemson does nothing wrong and Leighton isn't fouled. Was it chalked off for Hodge being offside when Clough flicked it on (which it would not be nowadays, but not sure how exactly 'interfering' was being interpreted in those days - not 100% clear he is offside and the TV really isn't conclusive here I think) or for a Wilson push on a defender (that probably would be given nowadays, then I'm not sure if it wasn't on the keeper - if it wasn't a Forest goal I might have said I think that's enough to call a foul lol!)?
Unless the TV is playing tricks, and the Trend End provided the better view (guess it would be tempting to think had gone out though! - Maybe Main Stand would give the best view) I think the ball was kept in for their goal.
For the disallowed one (shown at the end) Jemson does nothing wrong and Leighton isn't fouled. Was it chalked off for Hodge being offside when Clough flicked it on (which it would not be nowadays, but not sure how exactly 'interfering' was being interpreted in those days - not 100% clear he is offside and the TV really isn't conclusive here I think) or for a Wilson push on a defender (that probably would be given nowadays, then I'm not sure if it wasn't on the keeper - if it wasn't a Forest goal I might have said I think that's enough to call a foul lol!)?
Yeah, that's what I thought and I certainly remember that quote. I suppose the very fact he felt the need (or whim) to say that says there was some discussion about interfering with play but I guess it would be something like tying your shoelaces on the touchline or something that would take a player out of consideration if anything. Unlike now, anyone anywhere near the goal would always be offside (so I thought that would include Hodge anyway). In those days level was actually offside I think (so Hodge probably was offside now I think about it) until a few/couple years later and then as you say in 2003 came all the stuff about being active/inactive (which really does mean you can be offside and 'not interfering' even if like with Neymar recently you are in the centre forward position and go on to receive a pass and score once you are back onside).There was no interference rule in those days.
Any opposing player between last defender and the keeper when the ball was moved forward was offside.
IRRC correctly first interference rule was about 2002. As Clough said at the time "If you're not interfereing in play, what are you doing on the pitch?"
Yeah, that's what I thought and I certainly remember that quote. I suppose the very fact he felt the need (or whim) to say that says there was some discussion about interfering with play but I guess it would be something like tying your shoelaces on the touchline or something that would take a player out of consideration if anything. Unlike now, anyone anywhere near the goal would always be offside (so I thought that would include Hodge anyway). In those days level was actually offside I think (so Hodge probably was offside now I think about it) until a few/couple years later and then as you say in 2003 came all the stuff about being active/inactive (which really does mean you can be offside and 'not interfering' even if like with Neymar recently you are in the centre forward position and go on to receive a pass and score once you are back onside).
I was always confused about the talk of interfering and what it meant in those days I think, but you must be basically right. I dunno whether at some stage previously (70's? early 80's?) there'd been some experiment with the interfering with play rule or something.
Maybe I remember the free-kick thing vaguely.....not sure. Maybe there was discussion about laws that said not interfering would be a thing and they were rejected I dunno - I'm not sure when the saying originated or whether at any point refs paid any attention to that concept in any way at all.in the 80s there was a trial to say that no attacking player could be offside from an indirect free kick. Wasn't adopted though. Maybe that's what your thinking?
In 1990 - so the next season I think - they introduced the level with final defender rule