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Jack Armstrong
That cup game at home v Man Utd... When Robins saved Fergies arse? I guess we all do in a way BUT does anyone remember Jemmo nodding in a would be equiliser when a yard onside?
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Does anyone remember.....
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I was in the Trent End for that game and remember clearly that the ball that was crossed for Robins to score from had gone out of play immediately before the cross. Linesman didn't give it.
Kjetil Osvold's Cat
Kingsley Black
For the disallowed one (shown at the end) Jemson does nothing wrong and Leighton isn't fouled. Was it chalked off for Hodge being offside when Clough flicked it on (which it would not be nowadays, but not sure how exactly 'interfering' was being interpreted in those days - not 100% clear he is offside and the TV really isn't conclusive here I think) or for a Wilson push on a defender (that probably would be given nowadays, then I'm not sure if it wasn't on the keeper - if it wasn't a Forest goal I might have said I think that's enough to call a foul lol!)?
Kjetil Osvold's Cat
Kingsley Black
It's harsh because players don't often do it, but Crosby had a great chance to lob Leighton at 2:47!
Barry
Where's me hammer?
I was there, we didn't really do ourselves justice that game.
Roonaldo
Geoff Thomas
couldn't tell for sure from the Lower Exec but with less analysis on TV back then, 99% of the time you could guarantee that a Ref would bottle it if the side in question were Liverpool(especially pens) and Man U. Whilst I concur that we were probably hard done by with the decisions, I vaguely recall us being a bit shit so probably deserved nowt.
Trentsider
First Team Squad
I was standing on the Bridgford End that day. We weren't good, but the equaliser should have stood. After more than a decade of us dominating United this game was a bigger turning point than we could have imagined at the time. United went onto to dominate English football and we were on our way down. The fact that Orlyggson was in the side shows that our squad wasn't what it had been.
Redemption
Chief Eye Roller
There was no interference rule in those days.
Any opposing player between last defender and the keeper when the ball was moved forward was offside.
IRRC correctly first interference rule was about 2002. As Clough said at the time "If you're not interfereing in play, what are you doing on the pitch?"
Kjetil Osvold's Cat
Kingsley Black
Yeah, that's what I thought and I certainly remember that quote. I suppose the very fact he felt the need (or whim) to say that says there was some discussion about interfering with play but I guess it would be something like tying your shoelaces on the touchline or something that would take a player out of consideration if anything. Unlike now, anyone anywhere near the goal would always be offside (so I thought that would include Hodge anyway). In those days level was actually offside I think (so Hodge probably was offside now I think about it) until a few/couple years later and then as you say in 2003 came all the stuff about being active/inactive (which really does mean you can be offside and 'not interfering' even if like with Neymar recently you are in the centre forward position and go on to receive a pass and score once you are back onside).
I was always confused about the talk of interfering and what it meant in those days I think, but you must be basically right. I dunno whether at some stage previously (70's? early 80's?) there'd been some experiment with the interfering with play rule or something.
Redemption
Chief Eye Roller
in the 80s there was a trial to say that no attacking player could be offside from an indirect free kick. Wasn't adopted though. Maybe that's what your thinking?
In 1990 - so the next season I think - they introduced the level with final defender rule
Kjetil Osvold's Cat
Kingsley Black
Maybe I remember the free-kick thing vaguely.....not sure. Maybe there was discussion about laws that said not interfering would be a thing and they were rejected I dunno - I'm not sure when the saying originated or whether at any point refs paid any attention to that concept in any way at all.
Yeah, 1990 for the level with defender rule does sound right and the start of the following season, after the low-scoring World Cup.
eugenboppboppbopp
Jack Armstrong
So the general concensus is that we weren't robbed and Fergie deserves all the plaudits for what he went on to achieve and didn't get lucky that day. I can live with that I suppose but I'll still mention the disallowed legitimate goal whenever Fergie crops up in conversation with any Manc fans. And I'll throw in that the ball was a foot out of play before the cross for their goal....
I was there. Can't remember where I stood; often went in the Bridgford. Sometimes the Trent End. Felt at the time that we could have won the game - had chances which we didn't put away. Only vaguely remember the disallowed goal. Didn't have an opinion at the time I guess. Still haven't.