Diving

[Strummer]

The Underwater World of Jacques Cousteau...

 

[ubik]

Would need to see it on TV to really judge.

Seemed to me that Assombalonga was being bear-hugged every time he got the ball. No doubt he was doing a certain amount of backing in, but it looked fairly blatant and the ref very rarely gave it. Noticed our players hitting the deck inside the penalty area a lot - I'd say most of those were fouls but they are rarely given. If they were dives they should have been booked.

Lans dived in the first half - or at least went down easily looking for a pen.

Antonio did seem to be pulled down late on after getting past a defender in the box.

Sammon ignored the ball and jumped into our players at least twice, handballed, fouled a defender near our corner flag, stood two yards away when we had free kicks - a decent ref would have booked him at some stage.

Ipswich constantly wasted time at throw ins and goal kicks. I wouldn't mind so much, but we routinely get players booked for far less obvious time wasting. Then there were the tactical dying swan routines by players who appeared to not be injured at all a minute later.

SO I'm not convinced our players are divers. The ref was either a strong-minded individual refusing to be influenced by the home crowd, or a blind fool. By the way, where did that thread about refs go?

 

[Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.]

Most people would fall over when pushed, pulled or barged unexpectedly and unfairly.

They might make a bit more effort to stay on their feet than A&A today, though.

And if it hasn't worked for the first half a dozen times - do they not realise that the refs just not going to give it ?

 

[ubik]

They might make a bit more effort to stay on their feet than A&A today, though.

And if it hasn't worked for the first half a dozen times - do they not realise that the refs just not going to give it ?

So you're assuming they were diving.

I'd say they kept on going down because they kept on being fouled. If the ref keeps on refusing to give free kicks or penalties for those fouls that's his problem.

As I said, I'd need to see the TV replays from every angle that you get in the Premiership to form a real opinion - all I have to go on are my instant impressions from being at the game.

I do think Britt has dealt well with the extra unfair attention from defenders. He hasn't lashed out and got booked, just picked himself up and kept running at them when he gets the chance.

 

[Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.]

So you're assuming they were diving.

I'm saying that they'd do better if they tried staying on their feet and playing football. It did look like they'd gone down a little easily a few times.

You don't have to fall over if you've been fouled in the penalty area.

I'd say they kept on going down because they kept on being fouled. If the ref keeps on refusing to give free kicks or penalties for those fouls that's his problem.

It's our problem if our player has decided he's rather throw himself to the floor and then watch the opponents leave with the ball while he's still sitting on his arse throwing his hands in the air (on more than one occasion).

 

[ForestinLancs]

I'm saying that they'd do better if they tried staying on their feet and playing football. It did look like they'd gone down a little easily a few times.

You don't have to fall over if you've been fouled in the penalty area.



It's our problem if our player has decided he's rather throw himself to the floor and then watch the opponents leave with the ball while he's still sitting on his arse throwing his hands in the air (on more than one occasion).

100% correct!

 

[Timothy Pope]

Antonio did this 3 or 4 times. The last one was a definite foul and should have been a penalty, but the ref waved it away because of Antonios previous histrionics

 

[Forestjones]

Antonio did this 3 or 4 times. The last one was a definite foul and should have been a penalty, but the ref waved it away because of Antonios previous histrionics

That's the impression I got.

 

[Gingers Across the Midfield]

Matt Derbyshire loved diving.

He spent most of his first season here with his face on the floor

sleep well sweet prince

 

[Flaggers]

Matt Derbyshire loved diving. He spent most of his first season here with his face on the floor sleep well sweet prince

The trick with diving is to hit the floor in close proximity to a defender.

D***yshire managed to all over without anyone within 5 feet of him....

 

[bhastings316]

You don't have to fall over if you've been fouled in the penalty area.

In one instance Britt received the ball in the area with his back to goal. He was instantly held in what looked that a bear hug from the TE upper. That's a penalty! But he stayed strong and didn't go down. He then wrestled his way free and then threw himself over a trailing leg.

If you aren't getting the decisions when trying to play honestly you will feel compelled to try and buy a decision.

Britt is definitely more honest than most strikers at this level. First half there was a clear shove in the back that would've sent most at this level sprawling. But he just wanted to get on the ball.

 

[Captain Sinister]

Britt has put up with the most awful gamesmanship against him from defenders who are fearful of his pace and ability.
He does have to recognize that this division is far more competitive than League 1, and work out some gamesmanship strategies of his own.
He also needs to keep on his feet, just like he did when scoring that cracker against Direby...

 

[incapable hulk]

One that has really impressed me is just how little shirt pulling our defenders do. There is the odd bit, but other teams seem to do it constantly, whereas ours are pretty well behaved.

I think we need Reidy back having a word with the ref to get some decisions

 

[Ravi]

I'm not sure what he can do about the bear hugging. Clearly refs aren't giving these as fouls, so he needs to come up with his own way of bending the rules back in his favour.

 

[Kelvin's Local]

In fairness, last season Derbyshire stopped diving. He was awful for it (and awful at it) for his first year, but the last year he was much more honest.

 

[Francis Benali (on loan)]

Chesterfield's Dan Jones. Put him back in his fishtank. They cut him off here in his prime too...

https://vine.co/v/OKWbmZu01WY

The best and worst of English football there. Full house...local derby...smaller team getting one over the bigger team for the first time in twenty five years...grown man flopping around like a fish.

In full....

http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideo...ter-impression-after-bad-foul-official-video/

 

[adam09]

Lansbury didn't dive for a pen in the first half whatsoever. It was simply a good tackle that got the ball then took Lansbury as well. Same as the Britt one. They had no choice about going over but they were good tackles (just!).

 

[Kieran]

It should be but so many teams seem to get away with persistent shirt pulling and holding players these days. Are you sure the rules haven't changed?

They must have if Sunday was anything to go by. I noticed Antonio going down rather theatrically a few times and although everyone was going mental around me I said no way is that going to be given. Unfortunately while Britt stayed on his feet most of the time, it's the Will Hughes's and Arjen Robben's of the world that will go down on every occasion that win decisions unrightfully.

 

[insanity_nffc]

Did anybody on here see Real Madrid's second penalty awarded against Ludogorets during the week? Now that's a f***ing dive.
Our players need more guile when faced with opposition who are intent on holding on to their shirt at every opportunity or get some diving lessons so the referee actually gives them anything.

 

[Gingers Across the Midfield]

The trick with diving is to hit the floor in close proximity to a defender.

D***yshire managed to all over without anyone within 5 feet of him....

Just wanted to catch the early showings down at showcase

 

[Red Duster]

The refs not giving fouls in the penalty area is changing the game, their changing interpretation of the rules is, in effect, changing the rules. If they wanted to go back to a time when, say, shirt pulling and cuddling at corners earned a free kick then they'd need to do it at the start of a season preceded by an announcement to the league.
I thought the introduction of fifth and sixth officials behind the goal in European games was a trial step along that road but I was wrong. What we watched on Sunday was a inky pinky step along the Charlie Williams footballing journey, "I couldn't play football but I could stop them that could".

It's difficult to be certain whether its a dive backing in/climbing at the time. It's a shame but the best way is with video replays. You quite often see what you thought was a 'nailed on' penalty was actually a dive in slow motion. The 'fouled' player had made no attempt to continue running, rather it was as if he had become paralised at the waist and neither leg attempts to move forwards when he saw there was an outstretched leg to fall over.

 

[PynchonForest]

I have to admit diving is very tough for a referee to deal with. It is rarely black and white, and almost always shades of grey (the level of foul versus the "fall"). The grabbing goes on both ways. Strikers are often almost as guilty of grabbing defenders as vice versa. I saw Assombolanga grab a defender and then fling himself to the ground, with the defender falling down with him. No call, and for good reason. But I can't fault Britt for the odd dive, as you have to do it at times. HE's developed a rep quickly and that means defenders are wary of him, his pace and ability, and his strength. I just thought a few of his dives were foolish and he'd never win anything with them. He has to pick his spots better (ie go down easier when he is actually being strongly fouled, rather than slightly fouled).

As for assistant referees, flagging PKs from the line is something you do with GREAT discretion. In other words, if the ref has a good view, and he isn't calling it, you don't flag it. The PK Luke Shaw gave up on the weekend was a great one for the AR to flag, and he did, because he had an excellent view. But calling stuff in scrums in the 6 yard box, sorry, not going to happen anytime soon.

 

[Francis Benali (on loan)]

That's not a dive. THIS is a dive...

 

[valspoodle]

That's not a dive. THIS is a dive...

That is definitely bonkers.

 

[Francis Benali (on loan)]

Full video is even more incredible...

https://postimage.org/app.php