But on the other hand, how many people innocent and yet found guilty of a serious charge, are going to put their hands up and say OK Guv its a fair cop, I know I would see them hell before admitting to a serious crime I had not done.
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But on the other hand, how many people innocent and yet found guilty of a serious charge, are going to put their hands up and say OK Guv its a fair cop, I know I would see them hell before admitting to a serious crime I had not done.
valspoodle
Steve Chettle
If he wants to play football, I'd have no problems with him plying his trade in, say, Turkey.
Having to regularly see his name and laughing face on TV is not a prospect that fills me with joy.
Having to regularly see his name and laughing face on TV is not a prospect that fills me with joy.
This is such a difficult thing to put a yes or no answer on really.
I would say yes he should and I base that on 2 things really.
Firstly, the fact he has done his time. I think, within reason, you should once you've served your punishment as seen fit by our legal system you should be able to almost go back to a normal life.
Secondly because if all these other players with convictions have been entitled to go back into the game then why shouldn't he? I know most are for things that are less serious than what Evans has been convicted of assault and so on but if you look at Lee Hughes, there's a crime that is at the very least just as serious, IMO more so that was able to get a career back in football after his conviction and sentence for me says it would be incredibly unfair to deny Evans the opportunity wouldn't it?
As I said though, it's a very difficult call to make.
I would say yes he should and I base that on 2 things really.
Firstly, the fact he has done his time. I think, within reason, you should once you've served your punishment as seen fit by our legal system you should be able to almost go back to a normal life.
Secondly because if all these other players with convictions have been entitled to go back into the game then why shouldn't he? I know most are for things that are less serious than what Evans has been convicted of assault and so on but if you look at Lee Hughes, there's a crime that is at the very least just as serious, IMO more so that was able to get a career back in football after his conviction and sentence for me says it would be incredibly unfair to deny Evans the opportunity wouldn't it?
As I said though, it's a very difficult call to make.
Prophet of (Ab)'doun
A. Trialist
He won't give a *%"!
just to keep the debate open, what about players say convicted of drug offenceS or Drink Driving, Tony Adams was jailed for DD offences and returned to the game.
Personally I disagree with that aswell, should never have came back. Especially as DUI usually involves the possibility of harming innocent people
But we are back then at the notion of punishing offenders twice and not allowing them rehabilitation, that cant be acceptable.
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With privilege comes responsibility.
But doesnt responsibility extend to all of us, not just those who may be deemed more fortunate due to the way they earn their living.
Bonalair
John Robertson
If they want to pay him they get him, as long as he's not locked up. If they don't, someone else will. Not sure what the alternatives are? Restrictions on released prisoners working?
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Yes, but the rest of us only influence a small circle of people so I suppose that our responsibility is lessened.
There are so many people in society who are unable or unwilling to accept personal responsibility that like it or not the traditional role models have a greater duty to provide a positive influence.
Posted earlier in the thread, there will be restrictions on his release licence, ie doubt very much he will go into schools on a football in the community scheme, but nothing about his offence that playing football with male adults would create any problems.
Nothing against the rehab process at all, its the whole being put back into the public eye that I think is wrong.
Sorry I have no knowledge of your age, or if you have children or teenagers around, after having three, I can honestly say, looking for inspirational adults when they were growing up, I wasnt tempted too much by footballers to use as an example of behaviour to aspire to.
But his career is within the public eye, to deny him his chance to fulfill his earning potential, then burdens again, his innocent family, who no doubt have been greatly affected by his behaviour and spell in Her Majs nicks. I think its far too simple to ban him.
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Like me Sedge you have taken responsibility, I have 2 great grown up kids that I have given guidance to.
There are lots of kids less fortunate out there who set their moral compass from the behaviour of their heroes.
That is an undeniable point, see the results of parental idleness and ducking issues more and more.
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Carlos
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Ask yourself if you ran a business where you're employees represented it on face value each week. Would you hire a convicted ******?
forestzoe
Jack Burkitt
Right, I commented on the other thread about this, months ago. I was livid then, and I am livid now. I see some VERY good points on here, and yes, he deserves a 2nd chance. Preferably working with rape victims and seeing just how it affects their lives, years later. I couldn't give a f*** whether he is a footballer or shelf stacker. He is still denying this, despite the fact that he has found been found guilty in a Court of Law BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT. I am well aware it is not an infallible system. I am also well aware of the case and circumstances.
He was a rich footballer showing off, and went too far. THAT HAS BEEN PROVEN. I cannot say the woman is blameless, but she did not deserve to be violated without giving consent, no matter what a tease she may have been.
People are saying he served his time. Meh. Why do we give "time" when it's usually 1/3 to 1/2? I thought parole was only granted and early release when remrse was shown? If that's the case, he's shown remorse to the parole committee and is now just posturing. Reason enough to drag him back in?
I fully respect anyone who has done a crime and served time and then re-habbed themselves. I think, however, that plying his trade football wise, in public, is disgusting. In front of women and kids. He has no respect for women, clearly. If I was Sheff Utd I would employ him, but it would be cleaning toilets and cleaning pigeon poo off seats.
He has shown he has no remorse, except crawling in front of the parole board.
As for the argument that he has done his time and should be allowed to ply his trade? He can quite easily sweep streets. He used his status that night, for nefarious reasons. He has lost the "right" to do as he wishes, he is a CONVICTED SEX OFFENDER.
He was a rich footballer showing off, and went too far. THAT HAS BEEN PROVEN. I cannot say the woman is blameless, but she did not deserve to be violated without giving consent, no matter what a tease she may have been.
People are saying he served his time. Meh. Why do we give "time" when it's usually 1/3 to 1/2? I thought parole was only granted and early release when remrse was shown? If that's the case, he's shown remorse to the parole committee and is now just posturing. Reason enough to drag him back in?
I fully respect anyone who has done a crime and served time and then re-habbed themselves. I think, however, that plying his trade football wise, in public, is disgusting. In front of women and kids. He has no respect for women, clearly. If I was Sheff Utd I would employ him, but it would be cleaning toilets and cleaning pigeon poo off seats.
He has shown he has no remorse, except crawling in front of the parole board.
As for the argument that he has done his time and should be allowed to ply his trade? He can quite easily sweep streets. He used his status that night, for nefarious reasons. He has lost the "right" to do as he wishes, he is a CONVICTED SEX OFFENDER.
forestzoe
Jack Burkitt
His appeal btw, includes this : As this case revolves around the issue of intoxication and consent, it should be noted that it is established in the case of R V Bree that drunken consent to sexual intercourse is nevertheless consent in the eyes of the law. This does not mean that if a person is unconscious through drink or drugs it is acceptable to have sex with that person but rather, where an intoxicated person is functioning and able to make conscious decisions at the time of intercourse and then subsequently regrets that decision and decides to make a complaint of rape, her self-inflicted intoxication ought not to be considered as relevant to the issue of consent.
So the woman was unconscious yet gave consent? What a lovely man. The "lady" wasn't great, but didn't deserve raping. Hopefully she will now reign it in.
TWO APPEALS FAILED THOUGH. So yes, not only is he guilty, but guilty upon the evidence being re-examined TWICE, yet he is STILL protesting. Give it up love, you've been convicted, appealed, failed, appealed, failed. You are a bit of crap. You had a wonderful life, thought you had it all, took it too far, got caught.
Now f*** off and do a proper job, anonymously, and let someone else with talent take your place. There's a queue and you just stepped out of it.
So the woman was unconscious yet gave consent? What a lovely man. The "lady" wasn't great, but didn't deserve raping. Hopefully she will now reign it in.
TWO APPEALS FAILED THOUGH. So yes, not only is he guilty, but guilty upon the evidence being re-examined TWICE, yet he is STILL protesting. Give it up love, you've been convicted, appealed, failed, appealed, failed. You are a bit of crap. You had a wonderful life, thought you had it all, took it too far, got caught.
Now f*** off and do a proper job, anonymously, and let someone else with talent take your place. There's a queue and you just stepped out of it.
Barbus
Steve Chettle
Doesn't happen often, but I have to say I'm in total agreement with Sedge here.
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If it happened to a member of my family I would be looking for vengeance on a biblical level.
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