Cardiff disaster and the need for technology to help referees

[Mr RayReardon]

Ok, today has, and continues to be, a complete disaster. Not only are we getting a hammering but we're also having our precarious goal difference eaten away. Still, with Brighton winning (I thought they'd finish above us) and Bolton only drawing we should still be in the top 6. That will leave us with a 2 point cushion over Leicester and Bolton with an inferior goal difference. Simple. Match their results for the remaining 4 games.

aaah, Bolton winning. This looks like a struggle from now on in...

However, my main point is the use of technology. The introduction of technology is an absolute must to help referees and to help the 'respect' campaign. Why do the football authorites continue to be so obdurate when introducing a 'video' ref to help with match changing and sometimes season changing decisions. Rugby do it.. Cricket do it.. yet football, the money orientated sport - continues to be stuck in the dark ages.

Goal line technology - a must for top two divisions.
Offsides - when goals are scored, a quick check to see if there's any reason why the goal cannot be given. Will take no more than 1 minute to confer.
Tackles/red card decisions - referee blows up, thinking he's seen something. Video referee can confirm whether it's a red/yellow or simply a free kick.

There are too many rash decisions that are ruining football matches. I am not saying we would have got anything out of this game. But, if we fail to reach the play-offs on goal difference then we could rightly look back on this as a day we were subject to a poor refereeing decision and subsequently thoroughly beaten.

 

[Strummer]

Bolton are winning, which kind of makes your point a bit moot.

 

[Tutts]

Even after today I'm completely against video refs making any decision other than a black and white ball over the line answer.

I want better refs not more refs.

 

[Strummer]

Bring back Pierluigi Collina.

 

[Mr RayReardon]

Better refs? who get hounded by players all game long? who have to deal with a game being played at 100 mph? it's impossible for refs to make correct decisions when then only have the chance to see an incident once - and from one angle. Henderson's red was not, at any standard of football, a straight red card. Whether or not that was pivotal in our mauling is not the point, it should not be left to uncertaintancies.

Use the help of a video ref and get the decisions right, every time.

 

[Strummer]

A "Cardiff disaster" is waking up on Sunday morning next to a huge welsh munter who looked somewhat different the night before, when the beer-goggles kicked in.

We've lost a game of football against the league leaders who are top of the league on merit (even though they aren't the most popular team in the division).

The Referee helped them today but we should never have given him the opportunity.

 

[Tutts]

Better refs? who get hounded by players all game long? who have to deal with a game being played at 100 mph? it's impossible for refs to make correct decisions when then only have the chance to see an incident once - and from one angle. Henderson's red was not, at any standard of football, a straight red card. Whether or not that was pivotal in our mauling is not the point, it should not be left to uncertaintancies.

Use the help of a video ref and get the decisions right, every time.

Hawk eye refs are the way forward then. Or robots.
I'm not happy about the red card but I can see why it was given. He saw it and it was his decision. He also saw the kick to the head but decided it was just a free kick.
How does a video ref deal with the latter? Are Forest supposed to throw on an appeal flag??

 

[Strummer]

Ah, the creeping Americanisation of the game...

 

[Project Zeus]

Simply put, Cardiff are a better side than we are. Sometimes it's better to acknowledge that we lost due to our own deficiencies in relation to the opposition rather than looking for someone else to blame.

Onwards and upwards, the players need to learn their lessons from this and regroup for Tuesday.

 

[account deleted]

These things have a tendency to even themselves out as well - I thought Blackpool's red card the other week was harsh and probably a yellow at worst (even though we didn't take full advantage of it)

 

[trickytrees12]

Our discipline is awful.

Lucky Halford got injured in a way cause he was going to talk himself into a second yellow.

 

[Mr RayReardon]

Hawk eye refs are the way forward then. Or robots.
I'm not happy about the red card but I can see why it was given. He saw it and it was his decision. He also saw the kick to the head but decided it was just a free kick.
How does a video ref deal with the latter? Are Forest supposed to through on an appeal flag??

You're missing the point, my friend. It's not about getting decisions changed after the game, rather, during. The referee is there to ref the game, but have access to a video ref like every other professional sport! The ref blew for a free kick.. it would have taken 60 seconds to get a 2nd opinion. It wasn't a red and it most standards of football - a borderline free kick.. or is there a seperate set of rules for championship/premier league?

 

[incapable hulk]

I dont think technology would have helped today. It was the sort of shit decision the ref will stand by. He will claim he was right because there was contact, no matter how little it actually was

Some ref's are just shit, and make shit decisions. This ref is one of those

 

[Tutts]

You're missing the point, my friend. It's not about getting decisions changed after the game, rather, during. The referee is there to ref the game, but have access to a video ref like every other professional sport! The ref blew for a free kick.. it would have taken 60 seconds to get a 2nd opinion. It wasn't a red and it most standards of football - a borderline free kick.. or is there a seperate set of rules for championship/premier league?

I'm not talking about after.

 

[Mr RayReardon]

apologies about the underlining.! not sure what happened...

Cardiff were the better team. But that's not the point. Football is worth millions - referees need help and there is help available to them..

do we expect everyone to carry out difficult maths using their heads when a calculator is available to help them?

 

[JordanForest]

I hate seeing players in the refs face all the time, especially when it usually favours them (Bellamy today)

 

[JordanForest]

apologies about the underlining.! not sure what happened...

Cardiff were the better team. But that's not the point. Football is worth millions - referees need help and there is help available to them..

do we expect everyone to carry out difficult maths using their heads when a calculator is available to help them?

Before the red card and Halford going off, I dont think they were that much better. It changed the game. Football can use technology to help it. It's taken all this time to have goal line technology, something that isn't too hard to implement

 

[Brolin]

It must be said we have had a few red cards go in our favour and Isaiah Osbourne's last weekend was particularly harsh.

We were probably due a red, especially given our foul count would trouble the world's leading mathematicians.

 

[The Red Mill]

Simply put, Cardiff are a better side than we are..

Were they a better side when we beat them at the CG?

TBF they probably were, I don't actually think they are now, to my eyes we were the better team in the first half, even after conceding I definately thought we would get something before the sending off.

A lot can happen in four games, it's not over till the fat slapper sings.

 

[Mr RayReardon]

Before the red card and Halford going off, I dont think they were that much better. It changed the game. Football can use technology to help it. It's taken all this time to have goal line technology, something that isn't too hard to implement

Watching rugby league and union (although not as avidly as football) it works. If players knew that the ref was consulting a video official they wouldn't feel the need to try and influence the ref's decision. Forest were dominated with 10 men, and might well have lost anyway, but it shouldn't be down to chance.

 

[Barry]

A "Cardiff disaster" is waking up on Sunday morning next to a huge welsh munter who looked somewhat different the night before, when the beer-goggles kicked in.

We've lost a game of football against the league leaders who are top of the league on merit (even though they aren't the most popular team in the division).

The Referee helped them today but we should never have given him the opportunity.

Surely it would be worse waking up next to a welsh miner???? if you could find one of course.

 

[Strummer]

I think personally that what would really help Referees is for football to adopt the rule in Rugby Union where only the Captain can talk to the Ref.

That would immediately stop the pack-haranguing of officials you see so often in football (and which grotty little shits like Bellamy and Kevin Davies are fine exponents of).

 

[Tutts]

I think personally that what would really help Referees is for football to adopt the rule in Rugby Union where only the Captain can talk to the Ref.

That would immediately stop the pack-haranguing of officials you see so often in football (and which grotty little shits like Bellamy and Kevin Davies are fine exponents of).

I'd love to see that.

 

[Project Zeus]

Were they a better side when we beat them at the CG?

TBF they probably were, I don't actually think they are now, to my eyes we were the better team in the first half, even after conceding I definately thought we would get something before the sending off.

A lot can happen in four games, it's not over till the fat slapper sings.

Maybe not, but they certainly have been over the season (and arguably past seasons, despite their bottle jobs).

Agreed, the niggle in the players' minds about 'when is the undefeated run going to end' is now gone. They can focus solely on getting 1 more point over the next four games than Bolton and Leicester can. Out of the three of us, we have the easier (just) set of games. Completely do-able.

 

[JordanForest]

You're right. A stop in the game like a red card gives time for some officials to view the incident frame by frame and make the right decision. Especially when players are always trying to influence the referees decisions. A person away from the reaction of players and managers would be more likely to make the right decision