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Financial Fair Play (FFP)
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Redofheaven2
A. Trialist
But also getting stuff factually wrong like saying our losses were bigger than Wverton’s, they amount over our(lower) limit was but the absolute loss was not. Also very annoying that those on the panel don’t know the basic facts and dates in the process etc - you know it will be discussed, do your research.
ubik
Geoff Thomas
And I guess we had so many loan players because:
- rules allowed us to sign so many
- Academy players considered not good enough
- rules allowed us to sign so many
- Academy players considered not good enough
Redemption
One less gobshite...
We couldn't buy any more because we had a dozen or so who running their contracts down but we couldn't move them on so we were hamstrung by previous Transfer practice that had taken us to the edge of FFP limits. Loan players were the only way we could refresh the squad.
Listen 'ere young man
Jack Burkitt
If having ambition is a crime, we are guilty so let's take this punishment like a man and come back even stronger.
Someone somewhere dropped the ball but we have a highly ambitious owner who isn't here to make money or use the club as a cash cow and we should be thankful for that.
If this squad has anything about them, especially in the upstairs department, they will overcome this minor hurdle and use it to their advantage. 1 points behind Luton and Everton facing more points shouldn't be an insurmountable problem to overcome. Most of us think these guys have the potential, do they have the belief?
I bloody well hope so!
Someone somewhere dropped the ball but we have a highly ambitious owner who isn't here to make money or use the club as a cash cow and we should be thankful for that.
If this squad has anything about them, especially in the upstairs department, they will overcome this minor hurdle and use it to their advantage. 1 points behind Luton and Everton facing more points shouldn't be an insurmountable problem to overcome. Most of us think these guys have the potential, do they have the belief?
I bloody well hope so!
Oh how wrong you are.
HBB
Jack Burkitt
Apologies if this has been answered already as I'm trawling through the backlog - but the PL did deal with this issue - they basically said they understand what we did, re the BJ transfer, and yes it did work in that we got more money but, as a tactic it was foolhardy to put all our eggs in one basket (basically what if we hadn't got a the sale) and that we could, and in their mind, should probably have accepted the lower fee from Brentford (though negotiated a bit higher) and prioritised meeting our P&S rules first and foremost. They said that the tactic we used showed that we were knowingly sailing too close to the wind during this time and therefore willfully broke the rules. Case closed.
ubik
Geoff Thomas
Fine.
So we got loan players in, and got promoted.
Not sure how that fits into your blame game.
Malwood
Geoff Thomas
Yep, me too. Love big EM, glad to have him as our owner.
Haven't had chance to read the full report yet, but am i correct that the bulk of the "over spend" was down to the promotion bonuses (~20m) and covid claims (~10m).
I thought kieran Mcguire had said that the promotion bonuses were exempt from PSR. It also seems unfair the we were limited to 2.5m for covid losses in the final championship season, when the Premier clubs and in particular Everton, were claiming huge sums against covid.
With out this extra 30m of losses we would have easily been able to raise the additional 4.5m without having to sell Brenan.
I thought kieran Mcguire had said that the promotion bonuses were exempt from PSR. It also seems unfair the we were limited to 2.5m for covid losses in the final championship season, when the Premier clubs and in particular Everton, were claiming huge sums against covid.
With out this extra 30m of losses we would have easily been able to raise the additional 4.5m without having to sell Brenan.
Carlos
Massive Member
Done now isn't it? Speculation can stop now and all the arguments for and against. Move on and move forward
Steve B
Jack Armstrong
For what it’s worth this is my view on the matter.
Battered Sausage
Matchday Squad
Are you new here
SouthManchesterTree
First Team Squad
Even if we stay up I’m assuming MGW leaves this summer, both for FFP and because the big clubs are sniffing around.
If we go down obviously our revenue will crash, so there will be a number of departures
For now though we just need fans, players, club and manager to be totally together. The CG needs to be noisier than it has ever been. We simply have to stay up.
Carlos
Massive Member
I am mate, I'm still confused as to why a wrestling and snooker forum is so concerned with Nottingham Forest?Are you new here
SouthManchesterTree
First Team Squad
Remember that summer when we’d missed out in the play offs by 2 goals - and we responded by buying a whole new f&£@ing team?
ubik
Geoff Thomas
A smiley is your answer? Says it all.
I agree that our transfer strategy before and after promotion might bear further scrutiny, but we did get promoted as a result.
Larry Lansbury
Viv Anderson
With an appeal do u need ‘new’ information to bring to the hearing that hasn’t been heard before. Surely there is no new info, it’s not like criminal matter where perhaps another witness has come forward etc. So if we appeal is it basically that we try to explain the same points of mitigation but just in a different way?
Well we all enjoy the debate about taking an easy pink or a tight brown, so maybe decide yourself old cucumber?
isaacs
Viv Anderson
This is the heart speaking:
I might have taken one too many drugs and drank one too many drinks in my younger days but i'm sure i remember a coup d'etat by the Big 6 maybe 3 odd years ago?
And that the punishment, was a collective 22mil fine, less than 4mil a club, for the most serious of all crimes in whatever Premier League handbook.
I see every supporter of every other club outside of those sniping at each other over what twats we are or they are etc but maybe it was the drugs and drink and i just imagined it all.
I cannot stress this enough, i detest the Premier League with every fibre of my being. I want to burn it to the ground and the Big Man is the perfect villain i want to spearhead my clubs attack on it.
I might have taken one too many drugs and drank one too many drinks in my younger days but i'm sure i remember a coup d'etat by the Big 6 maybe 3 odd years ago?
And that the punishment, was a collective 22mil fine, less than 4mil a club, for the most serious of all crimes in whatever Premier League handbook.
I see every supporter of every other club outside of those sniping at each other over what twats we are or they are etc but maybe it was the drugs and drink and i just imagined it all.
I cannot stress this enough, i detest the Premier League with every fibre of my being. I want to burn it to the ground and the Big Man is the perfect villain i want to spearhead my clubs attack on it.
The difference maker for us is the fans. I’ve not managed to get to many games at all this season but last seasons atmosphere was insane. Conjure that up and we give ourselves a chance. I’m with you in that we absolutely need to stay up.
WSM EXILE
First Team Squad
I checked out Man Utd earlier, their debts from what I can see range from £550 - £725 M (I can't find the true figures as there's so many different reports) they appear to owe HMRC money too, so why aren't they being investigated? That's massive money to be in debt
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Lefkasman
Ian Bowyer
Green Jumper
"Nottingham Forest Are Premier League"
That's all fair enough and it's unlikely he would have ended up in Spain, but accepting a bid would have at least made the argument at half-way plausible.
Rejecting it and asking for a higher fee indicates Brennan wasn't their priority though.
isaacs
Viv Anderson
This is my head:
Take the deduction and RUN. The more intelligent lads have already spoke of the many eye raising things in the report but i couldn't help but notice one interaction that raised my eyebrow.
Vrentzos might be getting whacked for his contribution. We snap rejected two offers from Brentford in July with no hint of negotiation. Right from the Big Man (as was reported in the Telegraph at the time). The apparent Atletico bid of 50 mil Euro has no evidence bar the opening emailed offer, they did not respond to the 65mil negotiation.
But on the 28th of August Vrentzos stated that the Big Man informed him to sell Johnson immediately. We sold him 3 days later.
That did not make sense to me. It did not signal that we had any intention of selling Brennan before then.
Take the deduction and RUN. The more intelligent lads have already spoke of the many eye raising things in the report but i couldn't help but notice one interaction that raised my eyebrow.
Vrentzos might be getting whacked for his contribution. We snap rejected two offers from Brentford in July with no hint of negotiation. Right from the Big Man (as was reported in the Telegraph at the time). The apparent Atletico bid of 50 mil Euro has no evidence bar the opening emailed offer, they did not respond to the 65mil negotiation.
But on the 28th of August Vrentzos stated that the Big Man informed him to sell Johnson immediately. We sold him 3 days later.
That did not make sense to me. It did not signal that we had any intention of selling Brennan before then.