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Lol best tweet he's ever come out with
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
https://twitter.com/5livesport/status/959535438372290560
Winning games would have been a start*
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"What represented success this season" :think:
So we must be expected to make the playoffs now? :dunno:
Certainly, finishing 13th or lower seems to be deemed failure this season.
puds1970
Steve Chettle
It’s exactly what I have been saying all along.
Now I know a few on here just don’t enjoy dwelling on the past. But until such things are clarified we will keep making mistakes.
I would love to think that someone at the club would use their right to reply but sadly think they won’t.
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
That's a perception what I don't get, how is confirming the standard expect for the future dwelling on the past? :dunno:
You can't help wonder if AK finishes say 15th season end if we'll change again. Surely if 13th is failure, then 15th will definitely be. :think:
I was as disappointed as anyone when Warburton was dismissed but hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Our recent history of getting through managers meant we all wanted Warburton to work. We could see his playing style, understand his strategy and we bought in to his stabilising mentality but it just wasn’t working.
The results were becoming a worry and a mid table finish was beginning to look like a destination.
Marinakis faced a decision and, as unpopular as it appeared at the time, he was bang on with the timing and the execution.
It’s still too soon to really tell but I can now see that bringing in Karanka when he did could well be our saving grace.
Identify the problem, remove the cause, establish stability, motivate, replenish and build.
Our recent history of getting through managers meant we all wanted Warburton to work. We could see his playing style, understand his strategy and we bought in to his stabilising mentality but it just wasn’t working.
The results were becoming a worry and a mid table finish was beginning to look like a destination.
Marinakis faced a decision and, as unpopular as it appeared at the time, he was bang on with the timing and the execution.
It’s still too soon to really tell but I can now see that bringing in Karanka when he did could well be our saving grace.
Identify the problem, remove the cause, establish stability, motivate, replenish and build.
puds1970
Steve Chettle
I really hope not.
But given the owners reputation of getting through managers you would be very naive to dismiss the chances imo.
Let’s just hope that we don’t go there.
puds1970
Steve Chettle
All very good TBT but the bit on the last sentence about establishing stability is a massive question mark for me.
Collymore!
Grenville Morris
[TWEET]https://twitter.com/JPercyTelegraph/status/959536849361436673[/TWEET]
Why's Percy being an arse now he's gone?
The horse has already been beaten, I get it, but once again isn't MW saying all the right things and exactly the phrases which align with what we wanted this season and with the now infamous NR letter mentioned?
He didn't know what success was - The reason many are annoyed with the change
Developing the young squad who needed minutes on the pitch - What we've wanted since Hart?
They'll make mistakes because of this - Unfortunate evil of playing the young consistently
He still says all the right things in my mind to justify that he should have been given the precious commodity of time.
Finally, when MW was sacked hadn't he won 10 lost 12 in the league? Percy is setting himself up here if AK fails.
(This is not a post that AK doesn't. AK comes across refreshing in his opinion and seems a better overall option for the short and midterm. AK was bust on deadline day with MW arguably wouldn't have done - not that it;s guarenteed to work)
Why's Percy being an arse now he's gone?
The horse has already been beaten, I get it, but once again isn't MW saying all the right things and exactly the phrases which align with what we wanted this season and with the now infamous NR letter mentioned?
He didn't know what success was - The reason many are annoyed with the change
Developing the young squad who needed minutes on the pitch - What we've wanted since Hart?
They'll make mistakes because of this - Unfortunate evil of playing the young consistently
He still says all the right things in my mind to justify that he should have been given the precious commodity of time.
Finally, when MW was sacked hadn't he won 10 lost 12 in the league? Percy is setting himself up here if AK fails.
(This is not a post that AK doesn't. AK comes across refreshing in his opinion and seems a better overall option for the short and midterm. AK was bust on deadline day with MW arguably wouldn't have done - not that it;s guarenteed to work)
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Ravi
Upper Decker
So what an ex manager says on the radio is gospel truth now is it?
One thing that stood out about MW was he liked his excuses...
‘the kind of centre back we want would cost £25m so we can’t get one, we looked at 45 keepers but the only one we could get was injured, players make mistakes, small margins, young players are going to make mistakes, plan A, the reason the defending is so utterly clueless is due to small margins and players making mistakes, Plan A, young players, small margins, clueless defending is because young players are going to make mistakes, plan A, small margins...
Now apparently the club didn’t give him clarity about what was expected. Maybe there’s some truth in that, maybe there isn’t, but it is what happens in football. Objectives change. At least it gives him another excuse to add to his list.
Poor Mr Warburton.
One thing that stood out about MW was he liked his excuses...
‘the kind of centre back we want would cost £25m so we can’t get one, we looked at 45 keepers but the only one we could get was injured, players make mistakes, small margins, young players are going to make mistakes, plan A, the reason the defending is so utterly clueless is due to small margins and players making mistakes, Plan A, young players, small margins, clueless defending is because young players are going to make mistakes, plan A, small margins...
Now apparently the club didn’t give him clarity about what was expected. Maybe there’s some truth in that, maybe there isn’t, but it is what happens in football. Objectives change. At least it gives him another excuse to add to his list.
Poor Mr Warburton.
You can’t stabilise anything until you cut out the crap and start to fill the gaps. It’s a process.
For the first time in a long time, I actually believe that the club are doing the right thing.
Collymore!
Grenville Morris
He didn't blame the club or have a hard feeling towards us. He just said a disappointing thing to him was the lack of clarity.
He didn't say the owner told him 10th and then changed. He merely mentioned that somewhere, maybe between both sides, clarity on this season was not 100%, and now he has time to reflect, this disappoints him about his sacking.
This is consistent, hence why it comes across genuine to me.
Start of the season we're told build, stability, and youth from NR - he mentions this.
He's not slagging anybody off, just reflecting on losing his job which is relevant to us.
If he'd have come out and said "I wanted to sign a £20m defence, Abdoun, Djebbour, Colback, Watson, Dawson, Lolley but the owners wouldn't back me" I would be calling rubbish.
He never has though. He's always been consistent in a narrative which aligns with what many wanted.
derbyshirered
Jack Burkitt
13th would be success for me
GreeksBearingGifts
Stuart Pearce
There's a neutral (I mean not pro-Warburton or against Warburton) explanation of the "lack of clarity" narrative in his interview. It doesn't have to be either a legitimate accusation or a poor excuse: it may simply be a description of unlucky timing. It's one thing for MW to meet with Randall and Marinakis and discuss long-term goals for the club, and another thing to decide on short-term decisions with Vrentzos and, e.g. Metgod.
Lack of clarity and different opinions may simply be a matter of different interlocutors and the difference in perspective between the long-term and the short- and mid-term.
Lack of clarity and different opinions may simply be a matter of different interlocutors and the difference in perspective between the long-term and the short- and mid-term.
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
From all the posts above I think one thing is clear - it's left some questions & doubt still.
Whether the change itself was right or not from a practical standpoint, I think it could have been exectuted & communicated far better to quelll such doubts.
Again, we're back to G Wot Karate, Sheff U and how having that genuine belief from the collective conciousnes which surrounds anything can push it on.
Whether the change itself was right or not from a practical standpoint, I think it could have been exectuted & communicated far better to quelll such doubts.
Again, we're back to G Wot Karate, Sheff U and how having that genuine belief from the collective conciousnes which surrounds anything can push it on.
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The stupidest thing Warburton ever came out with was "Plan B is to do Plan A better"
Just shows you how unwilling to adapt his rigid style he was. Might be OK if you're managing Real Madrid but that isn't going to work in the lower echelons of the Championship unfortunately.
Just shows you how unwilling to adapt his rigid style he was. Might be OK if you're managing Real Madrid but that isn't going to work in the lower echelons of the Championship unfortunately.
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
Wouldn't for me. I don't see the point in paying out on sackings, contract terminations, and incoming staff just to stay where we were.
I'd expect to see mild progression at least, if only as Ravi says so we can attract better talent in the summer from finishing higher.
I think the aim has to be around the 10th-8th mark now.
derbyshirered
Jack Burkitt
13 th is where I predicted at the start of the season so I'd be quite happy regardless of who the manager is.
BryanRoy
Stuart Pearce
I liked Warburton and was disappointed to see him go but I've decided to look at the positives he brought and undoubtedly the positives Marinakis/Vrentzos/Randall/Metgod have brought and now we must continue to build on it. From the actions so far it looks like they are but there is a long road ahead still.
Ravi
Upper Decker
It might be genuine, but it’s not a big surprise is it? He’s a development coach, and so mostly he’s going to be given jobs either at smaller clubs or at bigger clubs where consolidation is the brief. Those latter jobs aren’t going to be long term, because at some point those clubs will want to push on again.
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I think the sacking was harsh and still maintain he should've got this season at least. But at the same time I've been heartened by what I've seen since Karanka came in. He doesn't stand for any nonsense and has identified in a month the weak areas of the side and taken positive action to improve them.
There's so much to be positive about despite the fact we sacked yet another manager.
MASE
Up-Front
Top ten Alf.
Then we head into next season with a viable product for a higher quality of player to buy in to. An assertive. all round manager with a Championship promotion on his CV also helps dramatically.
Senior Flange Technician
Andy!
Did he actually ever say that here?