Wayne Robert Hennessey

[DizzyBala]

Just glad he managed to contain himself during the minute's silence to be honest.
He's conceded three tonight but I can't say that he's solely responsible.

The first goal, Rashford picked up the ball in his own half and ran for goal. Aurier had over committed and left the space but neither Freuler or Worrall had the speed to keep up (not many will), I think the ball hits Freuler's leg and Rashford manages to keep it in stride. By the time Rashford is in the box, he could go either side of Wayne. The notion that a keeper shouldn't get beat at his near post, if he closes the right side down more, the left is wide open.

Second goal, Lodi is caught out of position so Danilo has to cover Fernandes. Freuler doesn't close down the space for Casemiro to play the ball to Antony. Worrall doesn't get out to Antony quick enough when he takes the shot. Antony hits a hard volley and to be fair to Wayne, he's had enough time just to get something behind it and Weghorst took advantage.

Third goal, Forest had switched off and completely lost steam with the subs. Neco gave Pellistri far too much space to run towards the box. He half recovered but miskicked the ball trying to boot it away from the penalty area. Elanga put on a plate for Fernandes to put it right between McKenna and Neco, low and hard. I don't know many keepers that would be able to get down and save that.

He's obviously the backup keeper for a reason like, but there was a lot of mistakes that lead to the chances for all three goals, I'm not sure he could have done much else.

 

[Master Yates]

His inability to get down to low shots reminds me of Pantilimon. He’s ok as backup but if Hendo is out for more than 3 PL games I’d be bringing in a better keeper too.


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[FBS]

Can’t question why they are looking at a keeper after that. Two errors that buried us today.

Seen him twice live and been poor both times.

Agreed.

Beaten at his near post is poor. Then the save before the second goal saw him save/push the ball straight out infront. Should always be pushed sideways.

Also, he seemed stuck to his line a lot of the time. Didn't come to claim any balls, which then added pressure on our defenders to hook it clear.

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[casual_dave]

I hate digging players out, but sadly, he is not the player he once was. I agree that there was appalling defending leading to all 3 goals, but the keeper has to do better each time. Wayne never looked close to saving any of them.

It looks like his reactions have gone. He got nowhere near number 1 (although an incredibly difficult save). Number 2 he pushed back into the six yard box, when any keeper needs to push the ball out wide and number 3 he was just a bit late and couldn’t get a strong enough hand on it. The shot was powerful but not in the corner.

Both Hendo and Samba would probably have done better with at least 2 of them and you’re still in the tie.

I really worry with him covering for so long now.


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[The Frog]

It looks like his reactions have gone. He got nowhere near number 1 (although an incredibly difficult save).

Nonsense. It isn’t an incredibly difficult save to make if you aren’t 2 yards away from your near post leaving a very obvious and inviting place to shoot. Not having to go across goal is the easiest shot to make for a forward.

 

[Notcher]

Can I just put a fallacy to bed here please about saving at the near post. You've got much less reaction time because the ball is closer and players and strikers are taught as a secondary option to shoot there and high because of the keepers dropped arms in the set position. The striker has to be more accurate but It's incredibly difficult to make that save if they get it right.

 

[Statto]

His inability to get down to low shots reminds me of Pantilimon. He’s ok as backup but if Hendo is out for more than 3 PL games I’d be bringing in a better keeper too.


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It's not really an inability as such but simply that a taller keeper has further to go down to low shots than a smaller one. WH isn't as tall as Pantilimon but is certainly on the taller side for a keeper (1.98) which is a great deal more than Samba or Henderson who aren't particularly tall for keepers but not short either.

I think it seems to be the case with a lot that the smaller keepers are more agile. Fabien Barthez was short for a keeper but moved around well.

I agree we shouldn't be relying on WH as the main starting keeper in the PL and if Hendo is out for much more than Leeds we need another keeper (but we will need to do something about this before Tuesday). They knew he wouldn't be able to play against MU in the league and when this tie was drawn so it isn't really as though Hennessey is costing us in the league.

I don't think he was directly at fault for us losing yesterday - could perhaps have got a bit closer with the 3rd but it was well hit.

 

[Rzar]

If there is even a debate then we need a new keeper - if we give soft goals away in the Prem we will go down. Cannot risk it.

 

[SparrowsAnus]

I felt some of the stick he was getting was OTT. He looked very assured in the game v Spurs and was fine against Bournemouth. Other than one mistake at OT - he’d not done a lot wrong. I think last night showed though, showed he’s nothing more than ok, which won’t cut it in the PL I’m afraid. Whilst I wouldn’t count the first goal as a keeper error, a good keeper saves that. The 2nd goal he needs to push it to the side, and 3rd goal, again whilst not an error, I think a good keeper saves it (I’ve not seen that one back).

 

[tomw94]

Just because other players made mistakes for the goals too, it does not take away from the fact he was not good enough. First goal he perhaps could have done better with but the last 2 if we had any decent keeper between the sticks we do not concede. I certainly hope we have another keep in goal by the time we play Leeds.

 

[valspoodle]

I'm not a striker or a keeper, but I've always thought that to score at the near post, you have to put the ball high into the net over the keeper. Mainly because unless you have a very accurate shot, the ball will hit the keeper's body just as much as he'll make the save. You just have very little space to aim for.

Likewise for the keeper, if you stick too close to the post, you risk a shot into the far corner. It's hell this football, why do they make it so difficult?

 

[Notcher]

I'm not a striker or a keeper, but I've always thought that to score at the near post, you have to put the ball high into the net over the keeper. Mainly because unless you have a very accurate shot, the ball will hit the keeper's body just as much as he'll make the save. You just have very little space to aim for.

Likewise for the keeper, if you stick too close to the post, you risk a shot into the far corner. It's hell this football, why do they make it so difficult?

Correct, as I posted earlier strikers are taught as a second option to shoot high at the near post. When goalkeepers take up the "set" position the arms are dropped so if accurate at closer distance the goalkeeper has next to no reactionary time to get his hands up.

As you go up the levels you see more goals scored in that way because it requires far more accuracy but the stickers have the quality to do that and more frequently.

I'll try and find something on it.

 

[Notcher]

Here you go, exactly as I was explaining. Mikel Arteta demonstrating just that. Skip to 4mins 45secs.

 

[Tobias]

Can I just put a fallacy to bed here please about saving at the near post. You've got much less reaction time because the ball is closer and players and strikers are taught as a secondary option to shoot there and high because of the keepers dropped arms in the set position. The striker has to be more accurate but It's incredibly difficult to make that save if they get it right.

I'm no goalkeeping expert, but I wonder how much space keepers are trained to leave at the near post? It looked to me as if Hennessey gave the PL's form player a generous helping of near post space to aim for?

 

[Morpeth]

I'm no goalkeeping expert, but I wonder how much space keepers are trained to leave at the near post? It looked to me as if Hennessey gave the PL's form player a generous helping of near post space to aim for?

Massive last night. Although he was late to close down because Rashford managed to magically pass through Worrall and Freuler like a neutrino.

 

[Notcher]

I'm no goalkeeping expert, but I wonder how much space keepers are trained to leave at the near post? It looked to me as if Hennessey gave the PL's form player a generous helping of near post space to aim for?

It's more about angles so that they give coverage to any shot at the far post and near. They're taught to make a goal within a goal positionally if that makes sense?

 

[Master Yates]

Can I just put a fallacy to bed here please about saving at the near post. You've got much less reaction time because the ball is closer and players and strikers are taught as a secondary option to shoot there and high because of the keepers dropped arms in the set position. The striker has to be more accurate but It's incredibly difficult to make that save if they get it right.

Absolutely agree. “Should never be beaten at your near post” is a bit of an outdated mantra that has been skewed by people who don’t play in goal (including highly paid pundits) to beat keepers with.

My understanding of its origin is that you shouldn’t get beaten at your near post from a shot from a narrow angle. That’s because it’s the widest area to score from so by covering that you cover more space to score and force the strike across goal to the narrower angle, or up into the top corner (near post) which is higher risk of missing the target.

Bit harsh to call it the “near post” when Rashford is about twelve yards out, clean through on goal and pretty central.

It absolutely would have taken a phenomenal save or a really duff miss for Hennessey to save that.


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[Strummer]

Sounds he like should have stuck to impersonating Hitler?

 

[Caveman Ninja]

Sounds he like should have stuck to impersonating Hitler?

Might have got his arm further out

 

[Any Time Now]

I know it all happened relatively quick and he was let down by our defence, but i'm not entirely sure why he planted his feet and tried to do a reactive save against Rashford from 8 yards as opposed to making his self big and throwing his body into the line of fire

An unfair comparison I know but keepers like Pickford are so effective in those situations because they instantly close down the space and smother the man on the ball

 

[Notcher]

I know it all happened relatively quick and he was let down by our defence, but i'm not entirely sure why he planted his feet and tried to do a reactive save against Rashford from 8 yards as opposed to making his self big and throwing his body into the line of fire

An unfair comparison I know but keepers like Pickford are so effective in those situations because they instantly close down the space and smother the man on the ball

Levels mate. I've seen Hendo do it quite a bit even though his reactions are also very quick to rely on

 

[Yossarian]

He's either horribly out of form or just not up to it anymore, but we clearly need a different keeper for the next match,

 

[Harvey]

Hmm I'm sure many people will call me fickle but just looked at the stats and was shocked that in the six games he's played we've conceded thirteen goals

Obviously not all goals will be his fault but running at conceding two goals a game aren't great stats (and one of those games was against Grimsby)

Think we might have to bite the bullet after all

 

[DizzyBala]

We do need a new keeper but I can't honestly dig him out. I don't think, bar the away game at Old Trafford, he has had much of a say in the games he's been in where he's conceded tbh.

 

[marshal99]

He has been disappointing, expected more from him.