Tyrese Momodu Fornah

[DanR]

We have to be careful not to build these players up into more than they are, but I'd rather a squad of Tyrese Fornahs than Harry Arters in terms of demonstrating the opportunity and routes into the 1st team for academy players, as well as the obvious financial gain.

 

[Berkshire Red]

He has obviously been deployed as a Defensive Midfielder. What does he have that Yates and Colback don't provide? They're his barriers to getting in the team / squad, aren't they?

 

[BryanRoy]

Our current midfield looks like this :

6: Fornah, Bachirou
8: Yates, Cafu, Colback (6), Arter
10: Johnson, Carvalho

I would say that Fornah has minimal goal threat. He is more a defensive midfielder who keeps it simple. So if he did play you would have to have a Garner and a Carvalho in front of him for example.

Looks like he has had an above average season and well liked at Argyle. Like Strummer says , got to admire the confidence. But I think a lot will depend upon the midfield balance around him and of course that is fine but we desperately need 1/2 midfielders who can play 6 and 8 who can pass it and have time on the ball to see the pass. Of course players in front of them need to give them the option too but it is where we start.

PS what he is good at is beating the press to give him the space and time to give the simple pass. Would say on the ball that is his biggest strength.

 

[marshal99]

i think colback , arter and bachirou are pretty much the bomb squad and waste of resources or at least colback and arter are. bachirou can't be on much.

 

[Master Yates]

Another obstacle for Fornah is that Hughton will almost certainly want to bring in replacements for the likes of Sow, Arter, Bachirou, maybe Colback and Garner too, so he’ll be competing with players Hughton has specifically brought into the club.

I’d be surprised if there’s room for him here next season.


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[MASE]

Don't know much about the player, but if he falls into the mould of "physical nuisance but useless with the ball" Id rather we went another route.

Cafu/Garner/Krovinovic looked far & away our best midfield in terms of all round qualities. Hughtons Yates bias is my biggest concern going into next season, I'm not sure how many more pointers we need to suggest that doesnt work.

 

[Master Yates]

Don't know much about the player, but if he falls into the mould of "physical nuisance but useless with the ball" Id rather we went another route.

Cafu/Garner/Krovinovic looked far & away our best midfield in terms of all round qualities. Hughtons Yates bias is my biggest concern going into next season, I'm not sure how many more pointers we need to suggest that doesnt work.

If we get an upgrade on Yates, I think he’s more than useful backup, as is Cafu.

Ideally next year we’ll have a new midfielder and Garner to start as the 2 for most games, with Colback, Yates and Cafu playing their part at times.

Cafu could be backup for the advanced position too, where hopefully we’ll see either a reinvigorated Carvalho, a flying Johnson or a new signing.


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[Heffing Psycho!]

If we get an upgrade on Yates, I think he’s more than useful backup, as is Cafu.

Ideally next year we’ll have a new midfielder and Garner to start as the 2 for most games, with Colback, Yates and Cafu playing their part at times.

Cafu could be backup for the advanced position too, where hopefully we’ll see either a reinvigorated Carvalho, a flying Johnson or a new signing.


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[Matt]

In an ideal world, Sow/Colback/Arter/Bachirou all get shipped off and we have:

8 - Yates / Fornah
6 - Garner / Cafu
10 - New CAM / Johnson (Or Carvalho if Hughton likes him)

2 players per position. Perhaps we could recruit another CAM as Johnson will play anywhere across the front 3.

 

[valspoodle]

Never seen him play so I can't comment on his ability, vis a vis other players.

However, as with all the other young players constantly mentioned on here, it behoves CH to see these players and assess them before he signs others.

We appear to be short of money, why would you not play chaps who are already at the club if they are good enough?

 

[Player-12]

Have to say, Fornah has been impressive in the 2 pre season games admittedly against weaker opposition.

I sneered when I read that he said he was going to challenge the first team this year, but he’s done really well

He’s very confident, constantly demanding the ball and trying to impose himself on the games more than anyone else

Not sure how much of a fit he is, but he’s definitely right that he’s ready to challenge the first team.

 

[Haych]

Have to say, Fornah has been impressive in the 2 pre season games admittedly against weaker opposition.

I sneered when I read that he said he was going to challenge the first team this year, but he’s done really well

He’s very confident, constantly demanding the ball and trying to impose himself on the games more than anyone else

Not sure how much of a fit he is, but he’s definitely right that he’s ready to challenge the first team.

Good to hear.

The lad can only play against what’s in front of him, hopefully he gets more chances during pre season to be in and around the first team.

 

[cheapseats]

Good to hear.

The lad can only play against what’s in front of him, hopefully he gets more chances during pre season to be in and around the first team.

Precicely, and there’s big opportunities in our midfield for a quality youngster given the limitations tgat were frankly brutally illustrated by Garner last year.

 

[Matt]

Precicely, and there’s big opportunities in our midfield for a quality youngster given the limitations tgat were frankly brutally illustrated by Garner last year.

Very different players tho. Fornah is more akin to Yates than Garner. Saying that, Yates is looking very assured on the ball in the games he’s played so far

 

[Player-12]

From the whole 100 minutes I’ve seen, (expert). I wouldn’t say Formah is anything like Yates or Garner. He’s like a Leon Britton. I don’t think we accommodate him too well at the moment.

 

[Rzar]

Have to say, Fornah has been impressive in the 2 pre season games admittedly against weaker opposition.

I sneered when I read that he said he was going to challenge the first team this year, but he’s done really well

He’s very confident, constantly demanding the ball and trying to impose himself on the games more than anyone else

Not sure how much of a fit he is, but he’s definitely right that he’s ready to challenge the first team.

I would like to see him playing regularly in pre-season until Man Utd decide Garner. Nothing to lose in that situation surely, he's not taking anybodies place getting pre-season minutes.

From the whole 100 minutes I’ve seen, (expert). I wouldn’t say Formah is anything like Yates or Garner. He’s like a Leon Britton. I don’t think we accommodate him too well at the moment.

Yeah I agree. He looks much more of a sitter and reciever than either of those two.

 

[Player-12]

I would like to see him playing regularly in pre-season until Man Utd decide Garner. Nothing to lose in that situation surely, he's not taking anybodies place getting pre-season minutes.



Yeah I agree. He looks much more of a sitter and reciever than either of those two.

Exactly, but while he positions as a sitter/screener he’s confident and is demanding the ball constantly

 

[Matt]

From the whole 100 minutes I’ve seen, (expert). I wouldn’t say Formah is anything like Yates or Garner. He’s like a Leon Britton. I don’t think we accommodate him too well at the moment.

Exactly, but while he positions as a sitter/screener he’s confident and is demanding the ball constantly

I’ve watched a fair bit of him and he’s got it in his locker to go box to box or play the QB role. He just needs to develop his game a little more.

However you’re absolutely right that he did the Britton role for Plymouth last season in the base of a 352 midfield. Dominate physically, keep tidy on the ball and recycle possession.

 

[Rob1965]

From the whole 100 minutes I’ve seen, (expert). I wouldn’t say Formah is anything like Yates or Garner. He’s like a Leon Britton. I don’t think we accommodate him too well at the moment.

Knowing our luck he’ll end up playing like Leon Brittan…

 

[cheapseats]

I get worried when people get too forensic about CM players roles. Truth is they all need energy, positioning, a desire to compete and tidy, efficient and quick passing if they want to cut the mustard….

 

[Matt]

I get worried when people get too forensic about CM players roles. Truth is they all need energy, positioning, a desire to compete and tidy, efficient and quick passing if they want to cut the mustard….

Isn’t that the base level of competence for every football player in every position?

That’s like saying I get worried when people get too forensic about runners distances. They all need to run fast.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

With Murphy coming into the club you can bet your boots the likes of Fornah, Gabriel, Johnson etc have a much bigger chance of getting minutes in the first team than they ever would have done in the last few years.

I'd be happy with Fornah being a backup to Yates. We already have Colback who plays a holding role so that's three deeper CM's to choose from on any given day.

 

[Heffing Psycho!]

With Murphy coming into the club you can bet your boots the likes of Fornah, Gabriel, Johnson etc have a much bigger chance of getting minutes in the first team than they ever would have done in the last few years.

I'd be happy with Fornah being a backup to Yates. We already have Colback who plays a holding role so that's three deeper CM's to choose from on any given day.

Hope this is the case but I still have that niggling doubt about Hughton's willingness to use young players like those lads. There's a part in that article which came out last year reflecting on his sacking at Brighton that sticks in my head:

"In his four-and-a-half years in charge, Hughton gave academy graduates just 18 minutes of league football. Rob Hunt played 17 of those at right back away at Burton Albion in 2016 after Bruno was injured and James Tilley got the other 60 seconds in the 2014-15 end-of-season dead rubber at Middlesbrough."

Whether that was forced on him by the pressure or demands at Brighton or whether it was his call I dunno, but as you say you'd expect Murphy will want those young lads getting a good amount of football.

 

[Haych]

Hope this is the case but I still have that niggling doubt about Hughton's willingness to use young players like those lads. There's a part in that article which came out last year reflecting on his sacking at Brighton that sticks in my head:

"In his four-and-a-half years in charge, Hughton gave academy graduates just 18 minutes of league football. Rob Hunt played 17 of those at right back away at Burton Albion in 2016 after Bruno was injured and James Tilley got the other 60 seconds in the 2014-15 end-of-season dead rubber at Middlesbrough."

Whether that was forced on him by the pressure or demands at Brighton or whether it was his call I dunno, but as you say you'd expect Murphy will want those young lads getting a good amount of football.

The two players you mentioned now play in Leagues one and two respectively. It may be more Chris playing people who are good enough instead of playing someone just ‘cause they came through at the club.

I’m sure if we have a youngster who’s good enough they will play irrespective of who’s in charge.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

Hope this is the case but I still have that niggling doubt about Hughton's willingness to use young players like those lads. There's a part in that article which came out last year reflecting on his sacking at Brighton that sticks in my head:

"In his four-and-a-half years in charge, Hughton gave academy graduates just 18 minutes of league football. Rob Hunt played 17 of those at right back away at Burton Albion in 2016 after Bruno was injured and James Tilley got the other 60 seconds in the 2014-15 end-of-season dead rubber at Middlesbrough."

Whether that was forced on him by the pressure or demands at Brighton or whether it was his call I dunno, but as you say you'd expect Murphy will want those young lads getting a good amount of football.

Hughton will probably find his job on the line if he insists on an approach which limits the development of the wider squad, and doesn't get us competing at the very top.

I don't buy it though. Hughton is an intelligent bloke as well, they'll work together, Hughton will adapt, Murphy will give Hughton leeway if he sees merit in his ideas.