The World Famous City Ground - Home of the PROPER WORLD‘S OLDEST LEAGUE CLUB

[Flaggers]

Sort of.

The purpose of an ACV is that if it came up for sale, the 'community' has a right to bid if the property comes up for sale. The legislation gives a 6 month window in which you can prepare the bid and make an offer. It's a right to bid, not a rightbto buy.

Putting factions aside, for a minute, could the fans realistically buy this land from the City Council based on their current predicament and the likely sales value?

As a gesture, it should have been renewed. But practically, broadly irrelevant.

30000 people, £100 each is 3 million quid

 

[Redemption]

30000 people, £100 each is 3 million quid

The City Council want £1m per year for 250 years as a lease.

I don't think you can buy it for £3m.

 

[Steve B]

The only way to get an increase in capacity from safe standing is during a new build.

The raking and the step length is different to seating, so taking out seating or just adding rails doesn't alter the capacity.

Everton's new stadium will have safe- standing in, it looks quite claustrophobic.

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Pickpockets dream that, where’s this again did you say?

 

[Notcher]

If it is now the case that the city council views the CG freehold as of far more value as a potential residential site than it does a sporting venue, then re-registering it as an ACV is more important then ever, surely?

It increases my suspicion that the city council would ultimately prefer to back a new shared stadium at Eastcroft/Cattle Market and cash-in on Trentside.

It's another thing that makes my point that the ACV should never have been allowed to come off the register. Anything could happen and as it turns out, two things of significance happend.

1) The new lease was never legally secured

2) The council have since declared bankruptcy

I cannot understand the reasoning behind the decision to not maintain something of such security and importance. I would really like to understand this and get some answers from the trust

 

[Redemption]

It's another thing that makes my point that the ACV should never have been allowed to come off the register. Anything could happen and as it turns out, two things of significance happend.

1) The new lease was never legally secured

2) The council have since declared bankruptcy

I cannot understand the reasoning behind the decision to not maintain something of such security and importance. I would really like to understand this and get some answers from the trust

Have you asked the Trust?

 

[Notcher]

Have you asked the Trust?

I've only just found out but I will be asking them. It really should have been communicated back to the supporters that this was their intentions and the reasons for not renewing it.

 

[Strummer]

The Trust will be too busy scoffing the prawn sandwiches to worry about boring stuff like securing the future of the City Ground.

 

[Redemption]

I've only just found out but I will be asking them. It really should have been communicated back to the supporters that this was their intentions and the reasons for not renewing it.

From the trust's meeting minutes of July 2022

The decision to delay renewal of the ACV at the
specific request of the Football Club pending
resolution of the planning application for the
City Ground

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[redun]

Doesn't the interview given to the Athletic by our chairman say a lot about the relevance of the Trust? Chapter and verse regarding future ground development.

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[PlayedOnGrass]

The City Council want £1m per year for 250 years as a lease.

I don't think you can buy it for £3m.

The council have just artificially tried to raise the rent to £1m per year to inflate the sell value
As I said elsewhere this council and its leader are both financially and morally bankrupt
It is an absolute scam by a council that has demonstrated time and again over the last few years that they are not fit to wipe their own arses.
Not only are they trying to f**k Forest, they have decimated our fair city, with no ability to attract investment for anything worthwhile whilst other cities around us prosper and grow.

Rant over.

 

[Quntib Hollox]

The City Council want £1m per year for 250 years as a lease.

I don't think you can buy it for £3m.

I think we need to make our feelings known to the city council that we’re not impressed they’re trying to hold the club to ransom I’m presuming upsetting the biggest voter group in the city is not a great election winning strategy.

 

[redun]

It expires on 12/3/2024.

That's not to say they wont be renewing.

Yes I read that somewhere. If the Rowing Club don't renew it could that be seen that agreement with them regarding its demolition is a big step nearer don't you think?

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[Redemption]

From the trust's meeting minutes of July 2022

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In a later board meeting, in July 2023, the Trust reviewed the delay to the ACV.

They attach an email exchange (see below) where the club, Randall in fact, asks them to delay the ACV renewal to avoid impacting on the planning permission. The Trust agree.

(I've blurred the email addresses at the request of the mods to prevent any GDPR issues)

My only comment to add is that the Planning Permission process has not concluded and remains ongoing.

 

[Redemption]

Had the Trust refused to delay the renewal, and this had come up as an issue blocking the planning application, can you imagine the rage against the Trust?

 

[Flaggers]

(cynical hat on)
Club wants to move.
Pesky trust takes out an ACV which would stop that.
Club finds a tenuous method of stopping the Trust renewing the ACV.
Trust doesn't renew the ACV.
Club is now free to move.
(Cynical hat off)

(Realist hat on)
Randall: "Forest [have] no intention to move"

Also Randall: "We're delighted to announce a 250 year lease on the land".

How's the lease looking, chaps?

No intention to move, eh... Ok...
(Realist hat off)

 

[Redemption]

If you are a resident of the City of Nottingham and concerned about the changes to the lease, I would email your Councillor

Find their details here

Find a Councillor

A list of City Councillors and the Wards they represent along with contact information and surgery details.

www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk

I would keep your email brief and polite. No swearing or threats of violence!

Here's a template, feel free to use and amend

Dear Councillor,

I was shocked to learn that the City Council have demanded a 400% increase in the lease from Nottingham Forest Football Club in respect of the City Ground.

I would urge you to work within your party and with your opposition colleagues to expedite the solution in the best interests of both the club and the City.

The club remains a significant employer in the City and the economic and social benefits that accrue to residents in our community are a net gain.

The upgrade to the stadium, which is now blocked by the impasse, may have long-lasting effects on our City. Forest's continued participation in the Premier League is at risk, and with it the promotion of our great City to the world and the benefits shared across the city to everyone, and not just Forest fans.

We need to end the impasse now and let the development of the City Ground proceed.

I hope our community can count on your support to get the development moving again.

Yours, etc

 

[Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.]

By the time the current lease runs out we'll all be dead and the city ground won't exist in anything like the form it does now.

I don't get all the drama.

 

[incident]

By the time the current lease runs out we'll all be dead and the city ground won't exist in anything like the form it does now.

I don't get all the drama.

In 2061?

Speak for yourself, I fully intend to still be alive by then.

And if we're lucky the club will have started construction on the replacement boat house.

 

[Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.]

Lease was extended to 99 (?) years earlier this century.

Good luck with those cryogenics.

 

[Redemption]

Lease was extended to 99 (?) years earlier this century.

Good luck with those cryogenics.

We renewed a 50 year lease in 2013... we had to settle a debt with the Council, over the Trent End, to get itvover the line.

 

[Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.]

I thought it was extended since then?

Where have I got 99 years from?

 

[incident]

I thought it was extended since then?

Where have I got 99 years from?

The 2011 lease was for 50 years, so expires in 2061. As it stands, we've got 37 years left.

The club did announce in 2019 that they'd agreed a replacement 250 year lease - but as has been covered on this thread, it's been claimed over the last week or so that it never actually went into effect.

Not a clue where 99 years comes from though.

 

[Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.]

I think I'll have a lie down.

 

[Redemption]

I think I'll have a lie down.

OK Aurora.

 

[Redemption]

By the way, just for fun. The original 250 Year lease extension was promoted by Mark Arthur.

At the time, the club did not have sufficient leverage because of the Trent End Bond.