The World Famous City Ground - Home of the PROPER WORLD‘S OLDEST LEAGUE CLUB

[valspoodle]

Location is such an important part of the city ground. You can't replace that.

True.

 

[Cloughie1975]

Oh Flatpack Stadium,
The smoke rolling in from the burger shop on the corner
My desire is always to get the hell out of here before the traffic builds up
Oh Flatpack stadium.

It doesn't really carry the same sort of feeling or emotion does it?


Just so you know - You will never ever recreate the City Ground somewhere else. It is impossible. It is a unique location with a unique feel to it.

You can try to create something else but the moment Forest leave that location something dies and it will never be recreated.

You can argue all you like for relocating the ground and make some very good valid reasons for it , and many, including myself, would understand them, but don't ever try to sell us utter garbage like 'it is entirely possible to recreate the City Ground elsewhere' because it simply can't happen.

Anyone who thinks we can recreate what we currently have somewhere else simply does not understand it.

True-but the likes of Manchester City and West Ham had great atmospheres (far better than
their current soulless stadiums) but they were abandoned in favour of money.

 

[PlayedOnGrass]

And as if by magic, they confirm that there is a plan B.

There has always been a plan B - Forest have been looking at alternatives for over a year.
This is a game of poker - Forest want the freehold.
Put the rent up by 400% puts the value of the land up accordingly.
This isn’t about £1m per year.
This is about a circa £30m - £50m purchase hike

 

[magicwoand]

I think what people mean about a new stadium recreating the CG is that it could be built in the style of the flash drawings we got when the upgraded main stand was proposed. It surely doesn't have to be the bowl type cheap things we see all over the place.

Not saying it wouldn't be a crappy bowl, but it doesn't have to be.

Theres been loads of modern stadiums built over recent years that are amazing. No reason we can't have one, ideally on the banks of the Trent.

 

[Rockabilly]

I'm trying to think of one single new stadium that has a better atmosphere than it's previous old ground.

 

[Cloughie1975]

I'm trying to think of one single new stadium that has a better atmosphere than it's previous old ground.

I can’t think of any,Rocka.

 

[Erik]

I think what people mean about a new stadium recreating the CG is that it could be built in the style of the flash drawings we got when the upgraded main stand was proposed. It surely doesn't have to be the bowl type cheap things we see all over the place.

Not saying it wouldn't be a crappy bowl, but it doesn't have to be.

True-but the likes of Manchester City and West Ham had great atmospheres (far better than
their current soulless stadiums) but they were abandoned in favour of money.

If we relocate the ground to a new one elsewhere then it is all about money.

No problem with that at all, understand it.

But if we move for money what is the point of spending anything at all extra on anything which may make the ground a little bit unique? Give it it's own life? It is, in terms of simple finances, a waste of money.

It doesn't matter how they try to sell it to us it will be a flatpack stadium, cheap as they can build it and cram everyone it to fleece them of as much money as they can in 2 hours with additional revenue streams for non playing days tagged on.

That's finances. That's the financial call.

Trying to sell crap like 'It will be just like the old place' is what a second hand car salesman or Mark Arthur would come up with.

 

[Rockabilly]

I can’t think of any,Rocka.

Me neither Cloughie, me neither.

 

[magicwoand]

I'm trying to think of one single new stadium that has a better atmosphere than it's previous old ground.

This is all very nebulous. I imagine Leicesters King Power had a better atmosphere when they won the Premier League than almost anything that happened at the old Coin Tosser stadium.

 

[magicwoand]

If we relocate the ground to a new one elsewhere then it is all about money.

No problem with that at all, understand it.

But if we move for money what is the point of spending anything at all extra on anything which may make the ground a little bit unique? Give it it's own life? It is, in terms of simple finances, a waste of money.

It doesn't matter how they try to sell it to us it will be a flatpack stadium, cheap as they can build it and cram everyone it to fleece them of as much money as they can in 2 hours with additional revenue streams for non playing days tagged on.

That's finances. That's the financial call.

Trying to sell crap like 'It will be just like the old place' is what a second hand car salesman or Mark Arthur would come up with.

The old place under Mark Arthur was pretty crap for the most part.

 

[Cloughie1975]

If we relocate the ground to a new one elsewhere then it is all about money.

No problem with that at all, understand it.

But if we move for money what is the point of spending anything at all extra on anything which may make the ground a little bit unique? Give it it's own life? It is, in terms of simple finances, a waste of money.

It doesn't matter how they try to sell it to us it will be a flatpack stadium, cheap as they can build it and cram everyone it to fleece them of as much money as they can in 2 hours with additional revenue streams for non playing days tagged on.

That's finances. That's the financial call.

Trying to sell crap like 'It will be just like the old place' is what a second hand car salesman or Mark Arthur would come up with.

Sadly,that’s the way life and football has gone,Eric.

 

[Erik]

The old place under Mark Arthur was pretty crap for the most part.

Case proven.

 

[Thomas]

How much would it be to buy the freehold?

 

[Raymondo Ponte']

This is a game of poker - Forest want the freehold.
Put the rent up by 400% puts the value of the land up accordingly.
This isn’t about £1m per year.
This is about a circa £30m - £50m purchase hike

What's the land worth? EM wont be here in another few years IMO, surely it would be a good investment though?

I mean we've wasted hundreds of millions at the drop of a hat, without a care in the world haven't we? Crap players, astronomical wages, millions upon millions to agents etc.

The only thing is, if we.re lurching in the 3rd division a few years down the line and the private rent is too high? Coventry rings a bell.

EM spends more than a million a year on kebabs.

 

[Erik]

Sadly,that’s the way life and football has gone,Eric.

I know, we all know.

Which is why trying to sell us something that 'will be just like the City Ground' is an insult to every single Forest fan who has walked through the turnstiles.

Try and be honest about what you are doing and don't desecrate our history with a load of glossy crap.

 

[Rockabilly]

I can’t think of any,Rocka.

Exactly Cloughie.

That's because those old stadiums had their souls ripped from them when they were demolished.
You can't build a new stadium and put the old soul in it.

 

[Rockabilly]

EM spends more than a million a year on kebabs.

 

[alabamared]

I am still trying to work out where Dean Henderson’s house is in Ravenshead, we were continually told by Forest Focus through the summer that he had bought one

I know but it would be wrong of me to say. But in reality it is not that hard to work out.

 

[Barry]

Exactly Cloughie.

That's because those old stadiums had their souls ripped from them when they were demolished.
You can't build a new stadium and put the old soul in it.

Thats because my lad can tell you where I sat as a kid, I can tell you where my dad sat as a kid, my dad can tell you where his uncle sat as a kid... there's nigh on 100 years of history in that ground of my family just from this one season ticket holder..... there's 20 000 more of me again with possibly another 100 years of memories in that ground, you can only replicate that by being in the new ground for 100 years.

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[Erik]

Thats because my lad can tell you where I sat as a kid, I can tell you where my dad sat as a kid, my dad can tell you where his uncle sat as a kid... there's nigh on 100 years of history in that ground of my family just from this one season ticket holder..... there's 20 000 more of me again with possibly another 100 years of memories in that ground, you can only replicate that by being in the new ground for 100 years.

And even then it will be different.

 

[Wes' Organ]

Nottingham Forest could quit City Ground over council rent row

Talks on a new lease have stalled over raising the rent the club pays from £250,000 to around £1m.

www.bbc.co.uk

Nottingham Forest could quit City Ground over council rent row
Published
7 minutes ago


For the first time the club is considering leaving the City Ground

By Hugh Casswell
BBC News, Nottingham

Nottingham Forest could scrap stadium redevelopment plans and relocate due to a row with the local council over rent.

The City Ground is sited on land leased from the city council and there is only 33 years left on the current deal.

Talks about an extension have stalled over the authority's demands the current £250,000 rent is increased to around £1m.

Club chairman Tom Cartledge said unless there was "significant progress" they may have to "look elsewhere".

Forest, currently 17th in the Premier League, have said they need to extend the lease if they are going to invest in expanding the ground's capacity.

The city council has recently had outside commissioners appointed to help it deal with a multi-million budget deficit.

Planning permission for the expansion was granted in 2022
Speaking to the BBC, Mr Cartledge said "We find ourselves in a position where for the first time we're having to consider whether the future is going to be away from the City Ground.

"In the future, football clubs' wage bills are going to be very heavily linked to revenue.

"If we can't grow the revenue, there is a realistic chance we cannot achieve our objectives and grow the playing side and give the manager the resources he needs.

"Unless we start to see some significant progress, it is now having to be a realistic discussion point as to look elsewhere.

"I'm frustrated, the owner is frustrated, because what he wants to do is give back to what he promised the people of Forest which is growth on and off the field and not to be able to do that is tough."

The BBC has approached Nottingham City Council for comment.

It's been the plan for a while now, fukcing snakes.

 

[Masuka]

I can’t understand why the Brian Clough stand can’t be rebuilt. There’s loads of room behind it?

 

[Notcher]

It's unfortunate that a Director of an architectural company isn't on the board otherwise this would be very lucrative for them....oh wait

 

[Huxley]

I'm trying to think of one single new stadium that has a better atmosphere than it's previous old ground.

Allianz stadium in Torino.

And mostly because the cut capacity from the old delle Alpi and built an actual football stadium.

 

[Masuka]

It would be nice if the new chairman would actually put something out on the forest website or YouTube channel rather than feeding information to different media outlets to report