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The Relegation Dogfight 23/24

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MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
DB1702 said:
Cooper is now the past it seems as if people are still struggling to let Cooper go.
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Some fans only care about the winning feeling at 5PM on a Saturday, other fans might want more from their club: community outreach, pride in the way our club conducts itself, a Nottingham connection etc.

Perhaps less "struggling to move on" more "do not want the version of Forest we're moving towards." That's not about the manager in the helm before I get pulled up for wanting Nuno out.
 
Erik

Erik

oopsy daisy!
LTLF Minion
DB1702 said:
I do not think anyone on here is okay with us being relegated that's a big leap to make based on me suggesting we give Nuno time before we judge him - he has had 10 league games that's all.

Suggesting any of us Forest fans are okay with us going down is a bizarre take to me and pretty disrespectful.

You posts come across as very quick and eager to blame Nuno for our situation - we find ourselves where we are because of a collective failure of EM Cooper and the Players - if the worse happens then Nuno will have played his part.

Hopefully Nuno keeps us up - people just seem very quick to bring Cooper up but that will not help us stay up Cooper is now the past it seems as if people are still struggling to let Cooper go.
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I've not blamed Nuno at any point for anything, despite a few recent 'strange' team selections.

I'm fully behind him.

However, he is partly responsible for where we are now because he's been part of it. I find it strange to absolve him from blame especially as he had a transfer window to operate in and got a slightly better goalkeeper in for one thing.

Nuno is facing exactly the same problems Cooper faced and although he's tried a different approach to tackling them he's struggling too, for a variety of reasons.

But you go ahead and continue to put all the blame on Cooper and absolve completely someone who has been in charge for 30% of the games we've played because that suits your viewpoint. You are entitled to.
 
Strummer

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
MaxiRobriguez said:
Perhaps less "struggling to move on" more "do not want the version of Forest we're moving towards." That's not about the manager in the helm before I get pulled up for wanting Nuno out.
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That’s where I’m at.

I don’t want Forest becoming just another identikit PL club with a faceless, soulless retail-park stadium, no real identity, apathetic fan relations and supporters taken for granted.

You know, like the f***ing no-marks such as Brentford and Bournemouth.
 
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NFFCForeverRed

First Team Squad
valspoodle said:
After ast night it feels like three points to us, rather than two other teams playing! Extraordinary game with, I'm sure most of us and the rest of the football world, ready to write off Forest.

Now we have a chance of putting daylight between us and Luton, and pressure on the others around the bottom, with games beginning to run out.

A chance we have to take. Let's hope Nuno shows the nous of Newcastle and the home Man U game rather than the recent bizarre experiments.
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A chance to close the gap to them if we get the expected 6 point minimum deduction. I'd be ok with a draw leaving us on 19 and them on 22. We should be able to claw that back.
 
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DB1702

Viv Anderson
Erik said:
I've not blamed Nuno at any point for anything, despite a few recent 'strange' team selections.

I'm fully behind him.

However, he is partly responsible for where we are now because he's been part of it. I find it strange to absolve him from blame especially as he had a transfer window to operate in and got a slightly better goalkeeper in for one thing.

Nuno is facing exactly the same problems Cooper faced and although he's tried a different approach to tackling them he's struggling too, for a variety of reasons.

But you go ahead and continue to put all the blame on Cooper and absolve completely someone who has been in charge for 30% of the games we've played because that suits your viewpoint. You are entitled to.
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You really don’t seem fully behind him from your posts your words say differently.

Please read my posts I have stated I see it as a collective failure EM Cooper and the Players. That’s not putting it all on Cooper is it. But go ahead ignore what I have written as it suits your viewpoint. You are entitled to.


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congo_red_49

congo_red_49

Ale Ape
Notcher said:
I can't believe anyone ever watched Turner and thought "yeah he's a goalkeeper"
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I thought he was a Goalkeeper.
Mind you, I was applying the old playground logic, when you'd put the jumpers down for goalposts and picked your teams - the kid who couldn't kick a ball for shit, that you picked last...was going to be the Goalkeeper.
 
Notcher

Notcher

Stuart Pearce
congo_red_49 said:
I thought he was a Goalkeeper.
Mind you, I was applying the old playground logic, when you'd put the jumpers down for goalposts and picked your teams - the kid who couldn't kick a ball for shit, that you picked last...was going to be the Goalkeeper.
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That's the one. The exception that proves the rule.
 
Erik

Erik

oopsy daisy!
LTLF Minion
DB1702 said:
You really don’t seem fully behind him from your posts your words say differently.

Please read my posts I have stated I see it as a collective failure EM Cooper and the Players. That’s not putting it all on Cooper is it. But go ahead ignore what I have written as it suits your viewpoint. You are entitled to.


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Just odd that you name Cooper as responsible and absolve Nuno.

It's also odd that you feel you can be quite blunt about Cooper but object to people being equally blunt about Nuno

I've said elsewhere that I think Nuno can take us forwards. I don't have any issues with my position in saying he's not yet.
 
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SouthManchesterTree

First Team Squad
Monkman said:
Agree with that.
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I broadly agree too

If you’re the Arsenal or City GK you hardly have anything to save, so your value comes from contributing to outfield play. But if you’re the keeper for a lower half team, the only thing that really matters is keeping the ball out.

Although of course there were one or two mistakes on that score too - eg v Tottenham
 
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DB1702

Viv Anderson
Erik said:
Just odd that you name Cooper as responsible and absolve Nuno.

It's also odd that you feel you can be quite blunt about Cooper but object to people being equally blunt about Nuno

I've said elsewhere that I think Nuno can take us forwards. I don't have any issues with my position in saying he's not yet.
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You just keep making it all about Cooper which I find odd - EM and the players are also mentioned hence why its a collective failure - I just feel it is harsh to judge Nuno when he took over a sinking ship - that was in a real mess.

Just have to agree to disagree.
 
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MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
DB1702 said:
I just feel it is harsh to judge Nuno when he took over a sinking ship - that was in a real mess.
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Most managers take over a sinking ship. That's the nature of the job being available in the first place. It's why we hired Steve Cooper for starters.
 
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MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
DB1702 said:
There we go again with the Cooper mention so predictable.
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Ok, let me choose someone else.

Most managers take over a sinking ship. That's the nature of the job being available in the first place. It's why we hired Paul Hart, Gary Megson, Colin Calderwood, Billy Davies, Steve Cotterill, Sean O'Driscoll, Billy Davies MK2, Stuart Pearce, Dougie Freedman, Mark Warburton, Chris Hughton.

Did you judge any of those?

If yes, please confirm what is the determining factor about when or why they can be judged.
 
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DB1702

Viv Anderson
MaxiRobriguez said:
Ok, let me choose someone else.

Most managers take over a sinking ship. That's the nature of the job being available in the first place. It's why we hired Paul Hart, Gary Megson, Colin Calderwood, Billy Davies, Steve Cotterill, Sean O'Driscoll, Billy Davies MK2, Stuart Pearce, Dougie Freedman, Mark Warburton, Chris Hughton.

Did you judge any of those?

If yes, please confirm what is the determining factor about when or why they can be judged.
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You seem very easily triggered. But in all seriousness sometimes in life you just need to let things go and appreciate people have different views. Agree to disagree as I said in my earlier post.
 
Statto

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
DB1702 said:
You seem very easily triggered. But in all seriousness sometimes in life you just need to let things go and appreciate people have different views. Agree to disagree as I said in my earlier post.
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I'm failing to see what your point is too though... Maybe i'm just being stupid as usual but most teams don't sack a manager who is doing well.

The last manager we had who was poached for another job whilst with us was Platt.

Pretty much every other time we have sacked the manager or he's quit because we have been on a shit run or something like that.
 
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DB1702

Viv Anderson
DB1702 said:
Personally I will judge Nuno at the end of the season I think it's hard for any manger to come into a team that's struggled all season.

It's a collective failure and if we go down Nuno will be apart of that but hopefully we stay up.
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This was my original post which people have taken to somehow turn into me blaming Cooper for all our worries cleary I did not say that but if suits certain posters narratives so it is what it is.
Statto said:
The last manager we had who was poached for another job whilst with us was Platt.

Pretty much every other time we have sacked the manager or he's quit because we have been on a shit run or something like that.
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Agree fully.
 
Erik

Erik

oopsy daisy!
LTLF Minion
DB1702 said:
This was my original post which people have taken to somehow turn into me blaming Cooper for all our worries cleary I did not say that but if suits certain posters narratives so it is what it is.
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I think it was this one that was the post that suggested you were blaming Cooper but not holding Nuno to any account.
DB1702 said:
Its been a collective failure EM those around him, Cooper and the players all bear responsibility for the sad position we find ourselves in.
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Just to be correct, to correct the 'narrative'.

If you had posted this instead
DB1702 said:
It's a collective failure and if we go down Nuno will be apart of that but hopefully we stay up.
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Then I for one would have agreed wholeheartedly.

However, I can see that it's quite possible that I may have misinterpreted that original post and that we have had an unnecessary disagreement and if that is the case I wholeheartedly apologise.for any offence caused.
 
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DB1702

Viv Anderson
Erik said:
I think it was this one that was the post that suggested you were blaming Cooper but not holding Nuno to any account.

Just to be correct, to correct the 'narrative'.

If you had posted this instead

Then I for one would have agreed wholeheartedly.

However, I can see that it's quite possible that I may have misinterpreted that original post and that we have had an unnecessary disagreement and if that is the case I wholeheartedly apologise.for any offence caused.
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Like wise I apologise if I have caused any offence.

We all want the same thing which is Forest to stay up let’s just hope we do.


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Vikare

Vikare

Viv Anderson
DB1702 said:
Like wise I apologise if I have caused any offence.

We all want the same thing which is Forest to stay up let’s just hope we do.


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Erik said:
I think it was this one that was the post that suggested you were blaming Cooper but not holding Nuno to any account.

Just to be correct, to correct the 'narrative'.

If you had posted this instead

Then I for one would have agreed wholeheartedly.

However, I can see that it's quite possible that I may have misinterpreted that original post and that we have had an unnecessary disagreement and if that is the case I wholeheartedly apologise.for any offence caused.
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Mutual apologies?!

This behaviour is unacceptable on the internet.

You two, get your shit together.
 
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