Steve Cooper will always be the MAN!

[REDDERS78]

One thing I'm struggling to understand is why Coppers contract remains unsigned, seems utterly bizarre to me. Surely you would sign it knowing the sack would result in a pay off anyway. Why would he refuse it? It was on the table way before promotion too I believe?

There's a lot of talk about results having an impact on his future but surely this isn't helping either?

 

[MASE]

One thing I'm struggling to understand is why Coppers contract remains unsigned, seems utterly bizarre to me. Surely you would sign it knowing the sack would result in a pay off anyway. Why would he refuse it? It was on the table way before promotion too I believe?

There's a lot of talk about results having an impact on his future but surely this isn't helping either?

I have a genuine belief its a chivalrous gesture on Coopers part.

Don't know the guy personally, but suspect he's as virtuous as they come. Probably doesnt feel he's proved anything at this level yet & wants to make it easy for everyone should it not work out. If the contract is still on the table & we string a couple of results together, I see him signing.

 

[Raymondo Ponte']

Yep I see it the same MASE.

But get the feeling time wont be given, knowing how frivolous the game is.

 

[Berkshire Red]

We'll have to agree to disagree pal.

I don't buy the Spence thing either, MONEY talks. IF we wanted him he stays.

But how much, Ray?

You're right, ultimately, but would it have taken £100k per week to convince Djed not to go home to London, not to go to potential Champions League football, not to want to play in the top eight of the Premier League, not to play with some of the World's best players?

 

[DapperDan]

Yep I see it the same MASE.

But get the feeling time wont be given, knowing how frivolous the game is.

It will be fine Ray, we will slap Leicester all over the joint and it will be all sunshine and lollipops again

 

[Raymondo Ponte']

But how much, Ray?

You're right, ultimately, but would it have taken £100k per week to convince Djed not to go home to London, not to go to potential Champions League football, not to want to play in the top eight of the Premier League, not to play with some of the World's best players?

He's not worth anywhere near that mate.

He was just a great fit for us, he wont be involved much down at White Hart Lane imo.

Some players just fit in. I think we could have offered him better terms than Spurs, with the throwaway money we've been doing, just my opinion.

He's obviously no world beater but he enjoyed it here and would have continued to do so I think.

 

[redodare]

There was no active interest from Forest in signing Spence. Boro hyped our interest to get a better deal from Spurs.- see below. Market data suggests that Spence's wages are relativley modest - £20k a week has been mentioned - which seems low but given he rarely makes the match squad is feasable.
For whatever reason , Forest recruitment team preferred Williams.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/wilder-djed-spence-tottenham-transfer-27497715

 

[Raymondo Ponte']

There was no active interest from Forest in signing Spence. Boro hyped our interest to get a better deal from Spurs.- see below. Market data suggests that Spence's wages are relativley modest - £20k a week has been mentioned - which seems low but given he rarely makes the match squad is feasable.
For whatever reason , Forest recruitment team preferred Williams.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/wilder-djed-spence-tottenham-transfer-27497715

Bang on.

EM and Danish didn't want the silli bugga, Coops would have loved him but he knows nothing.

 

[Berkshire Red]

EM and Danish didn't want the silli bugga, Coops would have loved him but he knows nothing.

I assume this is just pure speculation?

How about: Coops didn't fancy him in the Premier League? Understood that we'd be under greater pressure and realised that Williams was better defensively. Also realised that Spense wasn't anywhere near as effective as the season went on.

 

[Redemption]

If we change managers and the new guy still gets us relegated, does he stay?

 

[Otis Redding]

There was no active interest from Forest in signing Spence. Boro hyped our interest to get a better deal from Spurs.- see below. Market data suggests that Spence's wages are relativley modest - £20k a week has been mentioned - which seems low but given he rarely makes the match squad is feasable.
For whatever reason , Forest recruitment team preferred Williams.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/wilder-djed-spence-tottenham-transfer-27497715

SC is a huge admirer of Williams, and Dane Murphy, clearly with EM's full approval, probably paid a little over the odds to ensure we signed him, similarly Gibbs-White, another who was at the top of Steve's wish-list.

It's no secret also that Steve saw Lingard as a primary target. The fact that EM sanctioned a financial package to secure his signature probably surprised Steve as much as the rest of the football world.

 

[cheapseats]

I have a genuine belief its a chivalrous gesture on Coopers part.

Don't know the guy personally, but suspect he's as virtuous as they come. Probably doesnt feel he's proved anything at this level yet & wants to make it easy for everyone should it not work out. If the contract is still on the table & we string a couple of results together, I see him signing.

I think theres likely to be some truth in that MASE but I also think hes saying that he will find another decent job easily if he leaves. And I think hes right. It actually quite a clever position...

 

[Omar Devone Little]

I think theres likely to be some truth in that MASE but I also think hes saying that he will find another decent job easily if he leaves. And I think hes right. It actually quite a clever position...

I suppose it could make him even more employable than he already is. Not only does he get you success on the pitch but he won't fleece you for all your worth if you sack him!

 

[cheapseats]

I suppose it could make him even more employable than he already is. Not only does he get you success on the pitch but he won't fleece you for all your worth if you sack him!...

I suppose it could make him even more employable than he already is. Not only does he get you success on the pitch but he won't fleece you for all your worth if you sack him!

...And if you don't like how he does things there are plenty of employers who will....

 

[Master Yates]

If we change managers and the new guy still gets us relegated, does he stay?

He won’t have much credit in the bank will he? Especially as any manager who comes in now/soon would presumably have told Marinakis that he’ll keep this squad up in order to get the job.

Cooper has got loads of credit in the bank, among fans at least. I wouldn’t sack him even if we got relegated. No chance Marinakis thinks the same though.


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[Master Yates]

We'll have to agree to disagree pal.

I don't buy the Spence thing either, MONEY talks. IF we wanted him he stays.

Even if you add Spence to that squad, what positions would you have filled with your 4 or 5 signings that would see us doing better than we are currently?

 

[Fitzcarraldo]

Nature abhors a vacuum.

Football's vacuum is uncertainty.

Insiders, media, fans make every effort to fill it - rarely with fact but mostly with idle speculation, rumour mongering and worse.

So does my cat.

 

[Cloughie1975]

I like to contrast post-war football with the modern game.
Take the great Billy Walker-at Nottingham Forest for 21 years,he took us into the 3rd tier in 1949.He
subsequently rebuilt the club in the 1950’s,cumulating in promotion to the 1st Division in 1957 and an
FA Cup triumph in 1959-this set the scene for the best 40 years in Forest’s history.
Compare this to the greed ridden modern era where a manager comes under pressure after a handful of
defeats.
Mind you-football sold its soul to money 30 years ago.
I’d keep Steve Cooper even in the event of relegation.

 

[ArthurD]

Even if you add Spence to that squad, what positions would you have filled with your 4 or 5 signings that would see us doing better than we are currently?

We would have had 12-15 ish players of a standard then (and that is me being generous), but that would leave us with a paper thin bench and nothing for injuries.

 

[Quntib Hollox]

He won’t have much credit in the bank will he? Especially as any manager who comes in now/soon would presumably have told Marinakis that he’ll keep this squad up in order to get the job.

Cooper has got loads of credit in the bank, among fans at least. I wouldn’t sack him even if we got relegated. No chance Marinakis thinks the same though.


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The fact that we’re even having this conversation in September after what he’s done in the last 12 months is utterly depressing.

 

[Berkshire Red]

The fact that we’re even having this conversation in September after what he’s done in the last 12 months is utterly depressing.

That's modern football for you.

 

[Raymondo Ponte']

Even if you add Spence to that squad, what positions would you have filled with your 4 or 5 signings that would see us doing better than we are currently?

f*** knows mate

I don't know half of our squad yet !

Leave it to the experts on 50/100 grand a week or woreva thee on, which you and I are certainly not !

I'm only interested in what I see on the pitch mate, the skysport zombies can sort all the youtube videos and all that malarkey. I'm not interested in some millionaire agents asking gazillions for their superstar from mumbo jumbo land! f*** that.

When they play for Forest, THEN I'll eva fukin gud looook atum !

 

[Master Yates]

f*** knows mate

I don't know half of our squad yet !

Leave it to the experts on 50/100 grand a week or woreva thee on, which you and I are certainly not !

I'm only interested in what I see on the pitch mate, the skysport zombies can sort all the youtube videos and all that malarkey. I'm not interested in some millionaire agents asking gazillions for their superstar from mumbo jumbo land! f*** that.

When they play for Forest, THEN I'll eva fukin gud looook atum !

I was asking what positions you’d have added the 4 or 5 you said was all that was needed (on top of the loanees) not for a list of names. Presumably you watched us play last year in order to form that opinion?

No idea what the rest of your post was about to be honest


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[Otis Redding]

I like to contrast post-war football with the modern game.
Take the great Billy Walker-at Nottingham Forest for 21 years,he took us into the 3rd tier in 1949.He
subsequently rebuilt the club in the 1950’s,cumulating in promotion to the 1st Division in 1957 and an
FA Cup triumph in 1959-this set the scene for the best 40 years in Forest’s history.
Compare this to the greed ridden modern era where a manager comes under pressure after a handful of
defeats.
Mind you-football sold its soul to money 30 years ago.
I’d keep Steve Cooper even in the event of relegation.

I began watching Forest in that Billy Walker-era Cloughie, and could occasionally indulge in a bit of rose-tinted, the-old-days-were-best nostalgia. I'd never dream of speaking for others who go back that far, but from my own point-of-view, I now regard it as largely pointless as football merely mirrors society in general.

 

[FLC]

Whatever happens Steve Cooper will join a long and illustrious list of Forest legends, and quite rightly.