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Master Yates

Master Yates

John Robertson
It’s often said that we only moan about the ref when we lose, so here after the win to say that the VAR check on the Neco penalty (that’s what it was) is absolutely mind blowing.

Clearly has his foot stood on while running at full pelt. As clear a penalty as you will ever see in a game of football, anywhere in the world, at any level.

It’s f***ing bent, there’s no other rational explanation for it now.


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gamble

Stuart Pearce
Ref was a joke, stopped playing when we had the ball for a Wham injury, they got the drop ball. Zouma drags TA down foul, no card MGW does similar yellow, TA then goes through Zouma does the same again...yellow shouldn't have been in a position to do that or a red...

And...the penalty, honestly I have no words, if Rashfords, Isaks were ones against us how the f*** is that not.
 
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MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
Ref was dreadful, for both teams. Inconsistent throughout, letting each team hack at each other.

It's laughable how bad the standard is. We may as well have not bothered with a ref today and you wouldn't have noticed any difference.

Giving them a drop ball in their box when we had the ball on the half way line when he blew up to stop the game was top trolling.
 
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dr_horse

Geoff Thomas
HappyHappyJoyJoy said:
If the best you can say about the officials is that they are not bent, just utterly incompetent then fair enough, but we still have a problem, don't we?
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You're correct but it's an important distinction.

Being corrupt needs to be proven with evidence that doesn't exist/we don't have.

Being incompetent is already proven by what everyone has witnessed on the pitch.

There's plenty of opportunity for improvement, but I'd start by paying the refs as much as managers so we attract enough talent, and either centralise VAR reviews for consistency or move to a system where the ref can be asked to view a replay by either manager X amount of times a game.

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Strummer

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
dr_horse said:
You're correct but it's an important distinction.

Being corrupt needs to be proven with evidence that doesn't exist/we don't have.

Being incompetent is already proven by what everyone has witnessed on the pitch.

There's plenty of opportunity for improvement, but I'd start by paying the refs as much as managers so we attract enough talent, and either centralise VAR reviews for consistency or move to a system where the ref can be asked to view a replay by either manager X amount of times a game.

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You don’t have to necessarily pay Referees massive sums though.

Bundesliga Referees (as I never tire of pointing out) are still all amateur, and the standard of officiating in the Bundesliga seems to be somewhat higher than in the so-called „Best League in the World“(™)
 
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HappyHappyJoyJoy

Viv Anderson
dr_horse said:
You're correct but it's an important distinction.

Being corrupt needs to be proven with evidence that doesn't exist/we don't have.

Being incompetent is already proven by what everyone has witnessed on the pitch.

There's plenty of opportunity for improvement, but I'd start by paying the refs as much as managers so we attract enough talent, and either centralise VAR reviews for consistency or move to a system where the ref can be asked to view a replay by either manager X amount of times a game.

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Works for me.

Get the best and pay them well.
 
Frank Clark’s Tash

Frank Clark’s Tash

Jack Burkitt
dr_horse said:
You're correct but it's an important distinction.

Being corrupt needs to be proven with evidence that doesn't exist/we don't have.

Being incompetent is already proven by what everyone has witnessed on the pitch.

There's plenty of opportunity for improvement, but I'd start by paying the refs as much as managers so we attract enough talent, and either centralise VAR reviews for consistency or move to a system where the ref can be asked to view a replay by either manager X amount of times a game.

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When you have the referee, 2 linesmen and all the VAR crew fail to award a penalty, when everyone else on the entire planet thinks otherwise, it goes beyond incompetence.
 
Flaggers

Flaggers

May not be the best moderator on LTLF, but he's...
LTLF Minion
I'm sorry but there is no way now it can be innocent "incompetence".

It's just too blatant now.

Enough.
 
Strummer

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
„Hey Siri! How do you spell unconscious bias?“
 
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Colbackstreet Boys

Jim Brennan
Flaggers said:
I'm sorry but there is no way now it can be innocent "incompetence".

It's just too blatant now.

Enough.
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My working theory is there is a latest resentment within PGMOL regarding our letters and public complaints. We have called out their incompetence and held a mirror up to them and they don't like it, and I highly suspect this is having either a conscious or subconscious effect on those in the VAR room. A mindset of "why should we give a club constantly bashing our colleagues the benefit of the doubt on big decisions". The problem for the VAR staff is there is very little doubt in these decisions anymore - they inexplicable and go so far beyond clear and obvious, leaving us with no option but to genuinely question their integrity, which should always be a lady resort.

Jones at the Bournemouth game is a case in point. He had his nose put out of joint by us after the United game, and it was so obvious in his body language and decision making up to the Boly incident that he was desperate for a challenge firm enough and with enough doubt to give a red card with some sort of business case. He made the mistake of choosing the cleanest challenge of the game.

I don't think corruption is the right word, but it is clear as day that there is an agenda here that is probably unspoken and happening at a subconscious level but it's seriously compromising their integrity. I hope we report this one to Webb as well, I don't see why we should respect or trust the profession at the moment when this is happening every week.
 
Notcher

Notcher

Stuart Pearce
dr_horse said:
You're correct but it's an important distinction.

Being corrupt needs to be proven with evidence that doesn't exist/we don't have.

Being incompetent is already proven by what everyone has witnessed on the pitch.

There's plenty of opportunity for improvement, but I'd start by paying the refs as much as managers so we attract enough talent, and either centralise VAR reviews for consistency or move to a system where the ref can be asked to view a replay by either manager X amount of times a game.

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If I've said it once I've said it a million times...GET PEOPLE IN THAT HAVE ACTUALLY PLAYED THE GAME!!!
 
adam09

adam09

Super Koopa
MaxiRobriguez said:
Ref was dreadful, for both teams. Inconsistent throughout, letting each team hack at each other.
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And why? Because he let the foul on Gibbs White on the edge of their box go, having already given them a free kick for nothing, then decided to not give a foul for anything for about 10 minutes after that.

The bloke was getting pelters after 3 minutes, that's got to be a record. It would be easier to list what he got correct.

Didn't book Zouma for a bloody rugby tackle (and another one after that, before booking him for 3rd one), also didn't book Felipe for sliding in from behind on Antonio out on the touchline and didn't book Antonio for dissent 3 times before he actually did and for once, I thought we got a few more soft decisions go our way than the other tam - Hudson Odoi shoved over on the touchline which was a good decision but then we did it to their player, the exact same thing, in front of A Block, no free kick. That never happens.

The irony of Phillips getting a second yellow is that he got his first for Gibbs White shithousing, after we f**ked up a free kick by taking it and losing it when 3 West Ham players were about 5 yards away from the ball (and we took it short for some dumb reason).

As for the pen. ANOTHER on field decision not given our way and another VAR failure. The players had about stopped the game themselves waiting for it to be given yet two professional officials can't see it in real time from 15 yards away and more qualified officials can't see it on the replay. Again, I'd love an official explanation, help us understand.

At least they've clamped down on the important things nobody likes to see, like goal celebrations. Good work lads.
 
Bonalair

Bonalair

John Robertson
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I’m excited to see if Pynchon will allow us to moan about this one


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Probably claim that it is at the refs discretion but only if the contact is foot to foot and the moon is waxing gibbous and the wind is southerly … then shift the conversation sideways rapidly when someone points out that isn’t actually a rule
 
Rosie

Rosie

Viv Anderson
I have a colleague at work who has a mate who’s a mate of an ex-Premier League referee.

There is a ‘script’ if you will, where the little clubs and/or newly promoted teams will NEVER have big VAR decisions go their way. It will not happen.
 
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adam09

adam09

Super Koopa
Rosie said:
I have a colleague at work who has a mate who’s a mate of an ex-Premier League referee.

There is a ‘script’ if you will, where the little clubs and/or newly promoted teams will NEVER have VAR decisions go their way. It will not happen.
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The on field refs don't give us decisions either and it keeps happening, so there's a clear pattern there.

We had VAR saving us previously but now we aren't getting anything from that either. It's a bit suspicious to me.
 
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MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
adam09 said:
The on field refs don't give us decisions either and it keeps happening, so there's a clear pattern there.

We had VAR saving us previously but now we aren't getting anything from that either. It's a bit suspicious to me.
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Citation required.
 
adam09

adam09

Super Koopa
MaxiRobriguez said:
Citation required.
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It was a while ago and covered last season but we were 2nd or 3rd for VAR decisions reversing on field decisions or non decisions in our favour.

Then again, thinking about Maguire's congested area handball, Brentford pen etc, there's still plenty we could have got but didn't.

The only one I can think we got away with was Turner v Brentford should have been a penalty.
 
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