weejockmcplop
Geoff Thomas
Fair enough.
I remember watching a video about but it was a while ago and they may have been talking about US law.
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Snatchday 1: Nottingham Forest Vs the PGMOL
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I remember watching a video about but it was a while ago and they may have been talking about US law.
MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
Two things here:
1) Neither was clear and obvious. Toffolo clearly dived. O'Brien's was more subjective but there's argument there that he initiated the contact.
That said:
2) Game should have been stopped to allow VAR the opportunity to review both calls properly, given the magnitude of the game and the implications for the winner. That it wasn't was yet another example of VAR being shit and arguably those decisions were taken because the PL wanted Forest, not Huddersfield in the PL in order to enhance their product. Just because we potentially benefitted from refeering decisions that day doesn't absolve the FA and PGMOL of the crisis they have, and fans of non top six sides who lament us for any hypocrisy simply do not realise that their time to suffer will come as well. We should be aiming for accuracy and fairness for all clubs, not tit-for-tat tribalism. It wasn't just Forest who were wronged yesterday after all, Coventry City did as well.
MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
:shiftyeyes:
Not sure if anyone’s watched ref watch on Sky Sports News. I missed the first incident discussed but Warnock and Sue Smith (I think) said the second wasn’t a penalty. All agreed the third one was. The reporter at the City Ground clearly has his view on things. Essentially said ‘what do we want, a jury to decide match officials before a game, clubs to have a say in who officiates them?’.
RedRobbo
Geoff Thomas
Gallagher said no to the first but Warnock & Smith we’re both convinced it was a pen.
MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
1) Transparency in wider PGMOL.
2) Broadcast the audio feed in contensious decisions.
3) Get refs to explain their decisions after games rather than close ranks.
4) An independent regulator to reduce potential for corruption in a multi-billion market.
Would be good.
We're only asking as a business that a potential £120m of revenue is decided based on sporting merit rather than through arbitary decisions made by the league we're in. It's not an unfair ask.
Wickio
Robbie Findley
Now, now. That would all make far too much sense.
Notcher
Stuart Pearce
Very probable mate. It's easy enough to sometimes think a law is the same here especially if you've soaked it up years previously and forget where you heard it.
Otis Redding
Try A Little Tenderness
Why would we have complained about a penalty not being given against us?
What went around did come back round that very day, because we shouldn't even have been at Wembley that day!
That was another season throughout which we failed to be awarded numerous penalties (admittedly without the help of VAR), with Johnno receiving a few bookings for diving and developing an unfair reputation for being a cheat - the two penalties not awarded in one game away at QPR were a particularly bad one considering they deprived us of two points, and then there was the small matter of Bournemouth away.
stantonred
First Team Squad
How can Rugby get it right 99% of the time and yet Football is an absolute basket case of ineptitude?
* English football
Watch games from Serie A or the Bundesliga, and you will see officiating of - frankly - a much higher standard.
Notcher
Stuart Pearce
Two things. Ineptitude and arrogance.
Does this mean we can never have a Derby or Leeds or Leicester or County or Mansfield fan as a Ref or lines person or 4th official or VAR. Or ever having anyone who supports any team within about 5 or 6 places of our current position in the league. And then apply the same sort of rules to every other team in the league. Or does it just apply to us ?
We are thrashing about desperately clutching at straws. We want the Everton match replayed. We want some of our FFP points back. We want some nice people officiating our last 4 games (preferably ones who don’t like Luton or Burnley). And of course if none of these happen we will want a court somewhere to say everything is unfair and we were robbed and that someone else should go down instead.
This sort of thinking is absolute nonsense.
What we really need is for our players and manager to get on with what they are employed to do and win just 2 more games.
We are thrashing about desperately clutching at straws. We want the Everton match replayed. We want some of our FFP points back. We want some nice people officiating our last 4 games (preferably ones who don’t like Luton or Burnley). And of course if none of these happen we will want a court somewhere to say everything is unfair and we were robbed and that someone else should go down instead.
This sort of thinking is absolute nonsense.
What we really need is for our players and manager to get on with what they are employed to do and win just 2 more games.
RedRobbo
Geoff Thomas
Not so sure that’s the case anymore.
Some of the sin bin decisions that have been upgraded to full red cards are dubious to say the least.
justnotjase
Viv Anderson
I think it's been said by many on this forum, but I'm just generally uncomfortable with where we are heading overall as a club. It's grubby, unprofessional, victim mentality and lacking class. We are better than this. Absolutely the decisions have been brutal against us, but let's not mask the fact that we have been literally atrocious on the field now since we got promoted. You can count the convincing wins we've had on one hand. Maybe a couple of fingers. We are running out of friends and sympathy by the day, and alienating ourselves.
I've realised over the last week that relegation is happening and goodness knows when we'll come back up, we'll lose most of the players we've got, and we've already forced out most of those who cared in the first place. I'm starting to get back to where I was when Hughton was in charge, which was trying not to care. We'll also end up with a manager who doesn't give a toss either. It's literally night and day to where we were this time two years ago.
I've realised over the last week that relegation is happening and goodness knows when we'll come back up, we'll lose most of the players we've got, and we've already forced out most of those who cared in the first place. I'm starting to get back to where I was when Hughton was in charge, which was trying not to care. We'll also end up with a manager who doesn't give a toss either. It's literally night and day to where we were this time two years ago.
Alan Akbah
Geoff Thomas
Rugby Union doesn't flow and move as quickly as football does. It's basically a series of set pieces with odd sprint chucked in.
RedRobbo
Geoff Thomas
It’s not quite that rigid as explained on the Sky programme a few minutes ago. The example used was that a Brum fan would not officiate at a Villa game but could officiate at a West Brom game.
Mostly Donkey
Carrot Cruncher
Because rugby accepts that officials can be wrong whilst insisting they are treated with respect. When the VAR equivalent is brought in for an incident in rugby we get to hear the conversation and a lot of emphasis is placed on explaining it. This is because laws in rugby are frankly intricate but it also means that when even with TV replay the officials f*** up we know why. We talk about it, accept it and learn. Openly.
Rugby gets plenty wrong, some recent match last seconds can show that. What it doesn't get wrong is that it tries to be open about that and unafraid to admit issues. Mostly.
Of course all this is possible because if you abuse a rugby ref you get f**ked very very hard both on the pitch, in the changing room and at the investigatory committee.
Yeah, I understand sometimes what goes around comes around..... but it doesn't usually come around, and around, and around, and around, and around, and around, and around, and around, and around, and around, and around, and around.
I mean, have we paid our due's for those decisions yet?
MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
Getting stonewall penalties given to us might help us achieve such feats.
Mostly Donkey
Carrot Cruncher
I'd say Rugby is a lot faster than most football games and there is about 10 times as much going on all over the pitch at any one moment. However I'd agree that there are a lot more possibilities for stopping and reflecting. Mostly it's just the attitude of doing it that is different though. Could write books on this discussion though.
magicwoand
It tizwas it is
Who has said all that, other than you?
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
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