White and Jordan know as much as Captain's mythical pal Dave.
A couple of tosseurs.
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Snatchday 1: Nottingham Forest Vs the PGMOL
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A couple of tosseurs.
theloner
Viv Anderson
100% dumbfounded by that one too. Said with a straight face as well.
RedRobbo
Geoff Thomas
Danny Taylor on Twitter last night:
The response from PGMOL was pretty emphatic: that Mark Clattenburg had a) told Howard Webb he didn’t have a problem with Attwell (a Luton fan) being VAR b) merely flagged up that it might be raised at Nuno's Friday press conference (it wasn’t)
Not sure that Clattenburg has been wholly transparent with the club?
The response from PGMOL was pretty emphatic: that Mark Clattenburg had a) told Howard Webb he didn’t have a problem with Attwell (a Luton fan) being VAR b) merely flagged up that it might be raised at Nuno's Friday press conference (it wasn’t)
Not sure that Clattenburg has been wholly transparent with the club?
MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
Danny Taylor on Twitter last night:
The response from PGMOL was pretty emphatic: that Mark Clattenburg had a) told Howard Webb he didn’t have a problem with Attwell (a Luton fan) being VAR b) merely flagged up that it might be raised at Nuno's Friday press conference (it wasn’t)
Not sure that Clattenburg has been wholly transparent with the club?
Or that the PGMOL are pulling rank, again.
If they have the evidence then they can put it up, otherwise they can f*** off. It's in their interest to irrefutably dismiss accusations of bias rather than embark on a game of he said she said.
Time for transparency is now PGMOL. Let's have the evidence and whilst you're at it, chuck in the VAR commentary from the three incidents too.
Notcher
Stuart Pearce
We're not allowed to ask for the removal of the official. It's beyond our boundaries to do so. All we could do is flag it up and hope that the PGMOL do the sensible thing or that Atwell removes himself.Danny Taylor on Twitter last night:
The response from PGMOL was pretty emphatic: that Mark Clattenburg had a) told Howard Webb he didn’t have a problem with Attwell (a Luton fan) being VAR b) merely flagged up that it might be raised at Nuno's Friday press conference (it wasn’t)
Not sure that Clattenburg has been wholly transparent with the club?
Alan Akbah
Geoff Thomas
Is it about risk and plausible deniability?
The reason that the Tory government keeps sticking that tosser Bob Sealy up to speak for them on Newsnight, rather than a Minister, is that if they want to they can distance themselves from what he says later because he's not a part of the government so not officially speaking for them. Whatever he says is just "his opinion ".
Similarly your manager is an employee of the club, he can express an opinion, but he is not the club itself.
If your manager kicks off he risks a fine or touchline ban which are easy to mitigate. If the club kicks off it risks fines and, more importantly, points deduction.
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
This kinda backs their claim up.....
Danny Taylor on Twitter last night:
The response from PGMOL was pretty emphatic: that Mark Clattenburg had a) told Howard Webb he didn’t have a problem with Attwell (a Luton fan) being VAR b) merely flagged up that it might be raised at Nuno's Friday press conference (it wasn’t)
Not sure that Clattenburg has been wholly transparent with the club?
magicwoand
It tizwas it is
Release the VAR transcripts like they did for Liverpool. Is what I want.
MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
Not without any actual evidence of those conversations being had it doesn't.
Lefkasman
Ian Bowyer
Don't think they asked for him to be removed, they just made it known they weren't happy with him.
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RedRobbo
Geoff Thomas
We don’t have enough loyalty points I’m afraid…
weejockmcplop
Geoff Thomas
Simon Jordan talking about defamation is absolutely stupid.
The guy's an idiot.
Defamation law is you have to prove that someone knowingly made a false statement. You can't take someone to court for insinuating something or obliquely suggesting something, because then its down to how the reader interprets the statement, which you can't make laws about.
Jordan must know that, surely, in his job.
There aren't any false statements in that Tweet as far as I can see.
The guy's an idiot.
Defamation law is you have to prove that someone knowingly made a false statement. You can't take someone to court for insinuating something or obliquely suggesting something, because then its down to how the reader interprets the statement, which you can't make laws about.
Jordan must know that, surely, in his job.
There aren't any false statements in that Tweet as far as I can see.
I'm Red Till Dead
Stuart Pearce
PGMOL shouldn't have allowed Atwell to be be the VAR so as to avoid any suggestion of implied impropriety. They should have protected him and put him on another game. Who else was on VAR with him? There were 3 on the FA Cup game. Was there a Burnley and Sheffield United fan with him if it was a team of three?
RedRobbo
Geoff Thomas
Sorry - should've also copied this from DT’s posts last night to give context to my earlier quote:
So anyway, something doesn't quite add up.
Clattenburg has told #NFFC's owners his call to Howard Webb on Friday morning was to make a complaint about Attwell. And they believe him. PGMOL, meanwhile, maintain it was nothing of the sort.
So anyway, something doesn't quite add up.
Clattenburg has told #NFFC's owners his call to Howard Webb on Friday morning was to make a complaint about Attwell. And they believe him. PGMOL, meanwhile, maintain it was nothing of the sort.
MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
Awfully convenient, again.
Even if PGMOL didn't think Forest were making a complaint, surely Forest just bringing up any potential for implied bias should have convinced them to make a change. This is a multi-billion pound industry, they can be proactive here.
Master Yates
John Robertson
I am reading lots of hoo ha in the press today saying that to call a ref useless is ok but to somehow insinuate bias is beyond the pale.
None of the pearl clutchers have stated why this is such a red line though. Peter Walton came closest by dropping in some vaguely xenophobic nonsense that it’s only a problem for Johnny Foreigner and that it’s never been a problem for us good old chaps from Blighty. Nonsense.
Plenty thought the Met didn’t have a problem with racism, until it turned out they did.
Plenty thought the Post Office wouldn’t have prosecuted and sent to prison hundreds of postmasters instead of owning up to a ballsup of their own, until it turned out that they did.
Plenty thought police officers weren’t running around abusing their powers to sexually assault and murder women, until it turned out they were.
Plenty thought corruption wasn’t an issue for Britain until cash for questions in parliament and dodgy PPE contracts showed that it was.
Getting by on the assumption that everything is ok is how this sort of shit starts and grows. If you’re not willing to take a long hard look at your organisation and be prepared for some bad news that you may find, then you are just burying your head in the sand and missing the chance to nip it in the bud.
I am not saying the PGMOL is corrupt (neither did our statement, by the way) but the response of “you can’t say that!” hardly fills you with confidence if it was correct does it?
Lastly, anyone who has ever worked in public contracts knows that a major part of transparency and conflicts of interest is avoiding the appearance of bias, not just actual bias itself. Its why I have to declare any gift (or offer of gift) from any supplier with a value of over £5. I’m not corrupt, so I do everything in my power not to put myself in situations where it could be alleged.
PGMOL assigning a Luton fan as VAR for the Everton Forest game is a ludicrous decision and should quite rightly be called out. Stuart Attwell can’t win in that situation. It’s basic and so easily resolved by putting him on another game this week.
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None of the pearl clutchers have stated why this is such a red line though. Peter Walton came closest by dropping in some vaguely xenophobic nonsense that it’s only a problem for Johnny Foreigner and that it’s never been a problem for us good old chaps from Blighty. Nonsense.
Plenty thought the Met didn’t have a problem with racism, until it turned out they did.
Plenty thought the Post Office wouldn’t have prosecuted and sent to prison hundreds of postmasters instead of owning up to a ballsup of their own, until it turned out that they did.
Plenty thought police officers weren’t running around abusing their powers to sexually assault and murder women, until it turned out they were.
Plenty thought corruption wasn’t an issue for Britain until cash for questions in parliament and dodgy PPE contracts showed that it was.
Getting by on the assumption that everything is ok is how this sort of shit starts and grows. If you’re not willing to take a long hard look at your organisation and be prepared for some bad news that you may find, then you are just burying your head in the sand and missing the chance to nip it in the bud.
I am not saying the PGMOL is corrupt (neither did our statement, by the way) but the response of “you can’t say that!” hardly fills you with confidence if it was correct does it?
Lastly, anyone who has ever worked in public contracts knows that a major part of transparency and conflicts of interest is avoiding the appearance of bias, not just actual bias itself. Its why I have to declare any gift (or offer of gift) from any supplier with a value of over £5. I’m not corrupt, so I do everything in my power not to put myself in situations where it could be alleged.
PGMOL assigning a Luton fan as VAR for the Everton Forest game is a ludicrous decision and should quite rightly be called out. Stuart Attwell can’t win in that situation. It’s basic and so easily resolved by putting him on another game this week.
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Notcher
Stuart Pearce
It's absolutely ludicrous. Any sensible person would have taken the decision to remove this very possible scenario. It was easy to resolve and protects the PGMOL and the referee.PGMOL shouldn't have allowed Atwell to be be the VAR so as to avoid any suggestion of implied impropriety. They should have protected him and put him on another game. Who else was on VAR with him? There were 3 on the FA Cup game. Was there a Burnley and Sheffield United fan with him if it was a team of three?
They also appear to have contravened their own rules. A totally avoidable mess and another highlight that those in charge are inept and not fit for purpose.
sammy the snake
Jack Armstrong
f*** em and hang em dry
The only embarrassment is the continued farce perpetuated by the like of sky and the other ***** in the pockets of the sham
Forest whistleblowing gets called out? f*** this shit, the EPL is a disgrace.
The only embarrassment is the continued farce perpetuated by the like of sky and the other ***** in the pockets of the sham
Forest whistleblowing gets called out? f*** this shit, the EPL is a disgrace.
We might not like it but this is from less than 2 years ago and I don’t recall us complaining then.
What goes around comes around.
Just scrap VAR full stop, except perhaps for violent conduct.
It will give us a much more exciting experience.
What goes around comes around.
Just scrap VAR full stop, except perhaps for violent conduct.
It will give us a much more exciting experience.
FBS
Steve Chettle
Yesterday I was embarrassed by that tweet.
Today, having slept on it, I'm fully in support of it. We are taking them down. Burn it all! BURN EM ALL TO THE GROUND!!!!
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Today, having slept on it, I'm fully in support of it. We are taking them down. Burn it all! BURN EM ALL TO THE GROUND!!!!
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Notcher
Stuart Pearce
Spot on.
I posted something similar about politicians, publicly trading companies and and FIFA. Yet people think a few referees are incorruptible or completely unbiased, absolute nonsense.
Red Echo
Youth Team
chaospunx
Geoff Thomas
It all boils down to did the PGMOL
Break there own rules or not if they did they have f**ked up massively
Break there own rules or not if they did they have f**ked up massively
Notcher
Stuart Pearce
That's not correct. A case for libel for defamation can be brought through inference.