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Pros v cons

justnotjase

justnotjase

Viv Anderson
Im going to try and make this a constructive thread intended to provoke debate, so please no responses to say "it's Stuart f*****g Pearce". I'm a lifelong fan, from overseas but attend 3 or 4 times a season usually. I regularly say Forest will be my only ever true love and SP is in my top 3 players ever. I do however have serious concerns about his management. I'm trying to set these out as pros v cons on his appointment, and some fit into both.

pros
Emotional attachment - he loves the club and we love him.
Vast playing experience.
Keen to build a team and use youth.
Respected all round, by players fans and others.
He worked under Brian Clough.
He should get extra grace if results don't go our way.


Cons
He was appointed on emotion, not managerial experience.
Tactically questionable or naive, see Man City days and bringing on David James as striker eg.
Never got promoted as manager.
I struggle to think of any other top championship club who would have appointed him.
Limited championship experience.
It's commendable to keep signing players for the future but we need strengthened now.

All in all they cancel each other out, and emotion aside this could be another O'driscoll appointment - average. I can see a mid table season. Delighted to be wrong though.

Happy for people to propose pros and cons as they see fit.
 
Tutts

Tutts

Ian Bowyer
justnotjase said:
Im going to try and make this a constructive thread intended to provoke debate, so please no responses to say "it's Stuart f*****g Pearce". I'm a lifelong fan, from overseas but attend 3 or 4 times a season usually. I regularly say Forest will be my only ever true love and SP is in my top 3 players ever. I do however have serious concerns about his management. I'm trying to set these out as pros v cons on his appointment, and some fit into both.

pros
Emotional attachment - he loves the club and we love him.
Vast playing experience.
Keen to build a team and use youth.
Respected all round, by players fans and others.
He worked under Brian Clough.
He should get extra grace if results don't go our way.


Cons
He was appointed on emotion, not managerial experience.
Tactically questionable or naive, see Man City days and bringing on David James as striker eg.
Never got promoted as manager.
I struggle to think of any other top championship club who would have appointed him.
Limited championship experience.
It's commendable to keep signing players for the future but we need strengthened now.

All in all they cancel each other out, and emotion aside this could be another O'driscoll appointment - average. I can see a mid table season. Delighted to be wrong though.

Happy for people to propose pros and cons as they see fit.
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I'll just go through your cons as the pro's are obvious:

Cons
He was appointed on emotion, not managerial experience. - We've appointed on experience before, Ex-England Managers etc. It hasn't worked. He has about as much managerial experience as Brendan Rodgers.

Tactically questionable or naive, see Man City days and bringing on David James as striker eg. - I'm not too bothered by the David James thing, if it had worked he'd be a genius: See Van Gaal and bringing on Krul. His pieces on the FA website where he talks tactics seem perfectly adept.

Never got promoted as manager. - How the hell do you get a PRem Team or England U21's promoted? Megson had loads of promotions...

I struggle to think of any other top championship club who would have appointed him. - That's purely hypothetical. I can see a lot of teams potentially taking him.

Limited championship experience. - Neither had Harry Redknapp, QPR went up. Rodgers barely had any championship experience before Swansea other than an awful spell as Reading manager where he got sacked after a third of a season.

It's commendable to keep signing players for the future but we need strengthened now. - True but there's still time. Again, McLaren went down the experience route and we got Boateng and Greening.


End of the day, we just don't know. My main problem with recruiting Pearce is that if it did go badly, its hard to see your hero's fail. But that's life.
 
Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.

Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.

Fulchester United
Pros

You've got too much time on your hands

Cons

You haven't managed to find anything better to do with it
 
Alf-engelos Mindminackers

Alf-engelos Mindminackers

The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
In response to your cons JustnotJase...........

Cons

He was appointed on emotion, not managerial experience. -
For me that's irrelevant. The reason why you do something doesn't change the result of the action itself.

Tactically questionable or naive, see Man City days and bringing on David James as striker eg.
- A myth based on actions from ages ago, and by people who haven't actually heard him talk about football. If you listen to him he's very, very tactically aware.

Never got promoted as manager.
- Never had the opportunity.

I struggle to think of any other top championship club who would have appointed him.
- Many clubs didn't want to touch Brian Clough with a barge pole. The FA thought Ron Greenwood was a better prospect.

Limited championship experience.
- First slightly genuine concern. But he knows the English game as a whole inside out. To me that balances it out somewhat.

It's commendable to keep signing players for the future but we need strengthened now.
- According to Pearce we're trying. Not sure what else he can do?
 
Tobias

Tobias

Jack Burkitt
Pros:

You don't need a lot of quality in terms of management to get out of this division (Dowie, Boothroyd, Holloway, Phil f***ing Brown etc)

His coaching and scouting staff is probably the best this club has had in a long time. They seem to be the perfect blend of experienced coaches (at this level and higher) and well known scouts / youth coaches with the ability to sign some of the brightest young talents in Europe. This bodes very, very well for the future of the club if this coaching team is given a little while to work their magic.

Excellent signings at this level already (Mancienne, Vaughan and the two new strikers could form the spine of a team challenging for promotion)

His experience in the Premier League and with the England U21s has enabled Pearce to gain a lot of contacts in the game.

Players that have previously worked under Pearce are more than willing to do so again. He's gonna be well respected in the dressing room.

He's Stuart. f***ing. Pearce.


Cons:

Get a grip FFS if you think there's any cons, this club is going places. We're gonna ride a wave of delusion and optimism all the way to the Premier League
 
justnotjase

justnotjase

Viv Anderson
Tutts said:
I'll just go through your cons as the pro's are obvious:

Cons
He was appointed on emotion, not managerial experience. - We've appointed on experience before, Ex-England Managers etc. It hasn't worked. He has about as much managerial experience as Brendan Rodgers.

Tactically questionable or naive, see Man City days and bringing on David James as striker eg. - I'm not too bothered by the David James thing, if it had worked he'd be a genius: See Van Gaal and bringing on Krul. His pieces on the FA website where he talks tactics seem perfectly adept.

Never got promoted as manager. - How the hell do you get a PRem Team or England U21's promoted? Megson had loads of promotions...

I struggle to think of any other top championship club who would have appointed him. - That's purely hypothetical. I can see a lot of teams potentially taking him.

Limited championship experience. - Neither had Harry Redknapp, QPR went up. Rodgers barely had any championship experience before Swansea other than an awful spell as Reading manager where he got sacked after a third of a season.

It's commendable to keep signing players for the future but we need strengthened now. - True but there's still time. Again, McLaren went down the experience route and we got Boateng and Greening.


End of the day, we just don't know. My main problem with recruiting Pearce is that if it did go badly, its hard to see your hero's fail. But that's life.
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All reasonable points, have no argument. Agree re heroes, Hoddle at Spurs for example.
 
M

MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
Let's judge him for what he's done so far, not on his past.

Pros:
- Shipped off expensive deadwood.
- Brought in what appears to be an experienced and well respected back room team with him.
-- Who've also settled in well with the staff who remained from last year.
--- All this has brought a positive atmosphere to the club and the players seem happy again.
- Signed a few players with potentially big futures ahead of them for cheap.
- Identified the right areas in which we need to strengthen in, with minimal fuss in getting the players we need.
- Has spoke honestly and openly that he will be judged on results not sentiment.
- Agrees the need for a CEO and greater day-to-day management of the club. This will limit his own powers but be for the benefit of the club.
- Is prepared to bat away offers for our young players.
- Has reunited the fans who have been split and in a state of argument for the past decade.
- Is allowing the press access to the club and his management team to give the fans the information they want in an open and honest way.

Cons
- None.
 
Strummer

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
F

Francis Benali (on loan)

Guest
Pros
James Milner

Cons
£55 for West Ham at home.
 
CaptainBlack

CaptainBlack

Geoff Thomas
For me he has all the ingredients needed to be a very very good manager. He is far more intelligent and tactically aware than you'd think from his 'psycho' past. He has a knowledge of the youth setup that is 2nd to none. He is imposing, single minded and determined and he is a proven leader who commands the respect of his players.

Considering the cash-strapped Man City and straitjacket England U-21 set up, I think that he did pretty well.

Here however, I do feel that with the fans and the Chairmans support he has the potential to be a legend as a manager as well. Whether it actually all comes together though is another matter.

Here's hoping...
 
tomasj

tomasj

Geoff Thomas
RobbieLePop said:
Let's judge him for what he's done so far, not on his past.

Pros:
- Shipped off expensive deadwood.
- Brought in what appears to be an experienced and well respected back room team with him.
-- Who've also settled in well with the staff who remained from last year.
--- All this has brought a positive atmosphere to the club and the players seem happy again.
- Signed a few players with potentially big futures ahead of them for cheap.
- Identified the right areas in which we need to strengthen in, with minimal fuss in getting the players we need.
- Has spoke honestly and openly that he will be judged on results not sentiment.
- Agrees the need for a CEO and greater day-to-day management of the club. This will limit his own powers but be for the benefit of the club.
- Is prepared to bat away offers for our young players.
- Has reunited the fans who have been split and in a state of argument for the past decade.
- Is allowing the press access to the club and his management team to give the fans the information they want in an open and honest way.

Cons
- None.
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I'll sign off on this.
There's a different mood here than before. One of optimism. It's not just the Year Of Niceness, I think, rather that people genuinely feel much better about the club, the future and ourselves. As of now, I wouldn't trade the Pearce/Wigley pair for anything else. I trust the staff 100 % to have a plan A and a plan B.

What has been the most encouraging for me is the end of any petty media boycotts. It is and was always a poor idea, and questionable for what in the end is a business.
 
Rzar

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
justnotjase said:
Cons
He was appointed on emotion, not managerial experience.
Tactically questionable or naive, see Man City days and bringing on David James as striker eg.
Never got promoted as manager.
I struggle to think of any other top championship club who would have appointed him.
Limited championship experience.
It's commendable to keep signing players for the future but we need strengthened now.
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What a dull post judging somebody by reputation only. Any manager involved in any England set up immediately get's their reputation crushed by journalists for often barely any reason.

1. Managerial experience - worked with some of the best and a semi-final and final in international tournaments? Including keeping a very average Man City side with no money and sales of key players up in the Premier League. Yeah, no experience.
2. He hasn't managed one competitive match and he's already tactically questionable, even though he has worked with some of the finest tactitions and clearly isn't from his time at England. Please do research before spouting such crap.
3. Had one club job as a manager - how many got promoted in their first job, more to the point - how can he get a Premier League club promoted?
5. Jose Mourinho has limited Championship experience. Experience means nothing - let's hire Billy Davies, he's experienced, right?
6. What a stupid comment to make. You also contradicted yourself - you said as a pro that he is building for the future but it's also a con as well according to you. Make your mind up.

Stuart Pearce does what is best for Nottingham Forest Football Club, not Stuart Pearce. That has been our problem recently, not enough long-term vision and only a 12-month plan. Pearce is building a long-term vision here, from catching up with our under-21 side to the first team. We have fallen behind due to selfish and short-sightedness. Stuart Pearce is exactly what we need. Let his results do the talking before you start being so negative.
 
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EmmersonForest4

Steve Chettle
He was gash at City anybody can talk tactics but you have to show it with actions. I havent met a single City fan that was happy with Pearces tenure all the little money he had he spent on Samaras who was 6 million. My mates dad actually said Pearce is the most boring manager he has ever seen at City and he picked players on workrate instead of technical ability, its right he loved young players but because they were willing to run. They were not simply expected to avoid relegation they expected mid table. They went on a Cotterill esque not scoing at home run playing some of the biggest dross they have ever seen. That was Pearce at City according to City fans people want to rewrite it because its Pearce also just because that happened does not mean he is a bad manager or he hasnt got better but this lie that his time at City was good is rose tintery.
 
congo_red_49

congo_red_49

Ale Ape
Pros...hmmmm...

Cons:- Judging a manager before his team has kicked a ball in a competitive match.
 
Tutts

Tutts

Ian Bowyer
Just a thought but if Man City hadn't had a succession of cash boosts since, would they look back on Pearce a bit more fondly? He wasn't working with oodles of cash when he was there, so might well have gone for more physical players than what they've been treated to since.
 
Rzar

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
EmmersonForest4 said:
He was gash at City anybody can talk tactics but you have to show it with actions. I havent met a single City fan that was happy with Pearces tenure all the little money he had he spent on Samaras who was 6 million. My mates dad actually said Pearce is the most boring manager he has ever seen at City and he picked players on workrate instead of technical ability, its right he loved young players but because they were willing to run. They were not simply expected to avoid relegation they expected mid table. They went on a Cotterill esque not scoing at home run playing some of the biggest dross they have ever seen. That was Pearce at City according to City fans people want to rewrite it because its Pearce also just because that happened does not mean he is a bad manager or he hasnt got better but this lie that his time at City was good is rose tintery.
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£6 million on Samaras after cashing in £25mill on their best player. He had no money to spend, what would you expect? He kept a cash-strapped side up in his first job. City fans have a short term memory, if it wasn't for him the middle east money wouldn't have even come in. Oh yeah, and 14th position is pretty much mid-table by the way.

It also shows how he has changed since then as a manager from the way he got the Under-21's playing. Also, how can you expect technical ability when your best players are Joey Barton & Samaras. Play to strengths.
 
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matt1988

Viv Anderson
For me, you're never going to get a manager with a proven track record of success, beautiful football, experience, positive media relations etc in the Championship. There will always be question marks somewhere along the line.

The one thing we do know about Stuart Pearce is that he cares for the club. He knows the club. He knows what makes this club special, what makes this club work. He has experience in varied, high-level managerial positions with City and the Under-21s. Neither was a complete success or failure, so he remains a manager with a question mark by his name.

What he should get is as much support and patience as any manager can expect from a set of supporters which could be crucial, especially in the current footballing climate. It's worth a shot, we've been out of the Premier League for 15 years and exhausted almost every other approach. Give the club legend a go!
 
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