Nuno Herlander Simões Espírito Santo

[Strummer]

He was also working with a side that should be absolutely walking that division

Hamburger SV fans think they should be walking the 2. Bundesliga, but having watched an awful lot of second tier games in Germany in the last few years, I can tell you they are completely and utterly wrong.

That’s why they’ve been stuck there for five years. The 2. is a very, very, competitive league, and it is rare that any team „walks it“.

I know, as I’ve watched my local side get out of it twice. And it’s bloody difficult.

I think however in Steffen Baumgart, they might have gotten themselves a trainer who could get them promoted (he’s got form in this area).

(Unfortunately for HSV, is this the kind of arrogance that has been their undoing; they were adamant that they were too good to get relegated, until of course they got relegated).

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

So. 3421 is always the same?

Gotcha.

The 3421 under Cooper has more similarities to Nuno's 3421 than it does differences.

But let's be honest, we can laud over whichever manager we like in terms of tactics, but it matters not one shit if we keep conceding goals from set pieces. Until we crack that nut then we're just edging ourselves talking about improved tactics.

 

[magicwoand]

3421 under Cooper "dont know what you're doing."
3421 under Nuno "tactics are spot on"

Thanks for clarifying.

Didn't Cooper mostly play a back 4 since promotion, with 3 holding midfielders?

 

[Thomas]

The 3421 under Cooper has more similarities to Nuno's 3421 than it does differences.

But let's be honest, we can laud over whichever manager we like in terms of tactics, but it matters not one shit if we keep conceding goals from set pieces. Until we crack that nut then we're just edging ourselves talking about improved tactics.

Or if we keep missing absolute f***ing sitters.


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[Otis Redding]

Hamburger SV fans think they should be walking the 2. Bundesliga, but having watched an awful lot of second tier games in Germany in the last few years, I can tell you they are completely and utterly wrong.

That’s why they’ve been stuck there for five years. The 2. is a very, very, competitive league, and it is rare that any team „walks it“.

I know, as I’ve watched my local side get out of it twice. And it’s bloody difficult.

I think however in Steffen Baumgart, they might have gotten themselves a trainer who could get them promoted (he’s got form in this area).

(Unfortunately for HSV, is this the kind of arrogance that has been their undoing; they were adamant that they were too good to get relegated, until of course they got) relegated).

And so Chris, your views on the Tim Walter speculation (presumably should the worst happen)?

 

[Otis Redding]

Didn't Cooper mostly play a back 4 since promotion, with 3 holding midfielders?

Steve went to a back-4 following our gubbing at Leicester IIRC and continued for the remainder of the season.

 

[Strummer]

And so Chris, you views on the Tim Walter speculation (presumably should the worst happen)?

A pleasant enough guy (I’ve met him) but I just can’t see it.

He’s a tactically astute coach who likes to play forward thinking, attacking football, but he’s only managed in the German second tier, so I’m not sure what qualifies him for the PL?

 

[REDDERS78]

Hope Nuno sticks with 3 central defenders at the back for the away games at Sheffield United and Burnley.

Reason being, we want to be solid in defence and also a nightmare on the counter attack like we were today for Man City.

Many people automatically think that starting with 3 central defenders is a sign of negativity, but it's not true, as shown by the amount of chances and shots we had over Manchester City. We have generally looked a lot more comfortable as a Premier League team with 3 CD's at the back. It's mainly how we managed to pick up a lot of important results towards the end of last season.

Those 2 away games are 'must-not-lose' games and then if we can get the wing-backs threatening on the wings like they did today, we'll have every chance to pick up an important away win in my opinion.

I'm not sure about that.

I certainly don't view a back 3 as negative, one could argue that once the ball is won back it opens teams up. If you remember last season Cooper carried on playing with 3 until he realised that were getting bullied in the middle of the park and had to drop two in the middle for a good while until we went back to 3 across the back which ultimately saw us over the line.

I think Nuno got it spot on yesterday because he knew city don't bully teams in the middle, they just play through them. Dropping MGW deeper allowed us to 'create' something deeper and spread them out more.

I'm not sure that what we need against Sheffield United though, a team of thugs. Despite it working yesterday, I'd revert back next weekend for sure I think, round holes round pegs. Unless you're one of the top 3 or 4 teams up here, the ability to adapt accordingly is crucial in my opinion.

 

[Haych]

No chance would I play the same shape against Sheff United.

It might sound daft but with how City play giving up the midfield doesn’t really change the end result, if we do it against Sheff U they’ll punish us more IMO.

 

[Otis Redding]

A pleasant enough guy (I’ve met him) but I just can’t see it.

He’s a tactically astute coach who likes to play forward thinking, attacking football, but he’s only managed in the German second tier, so I’m not sure what qualifies him for the PL?

I just assumed that he's been identified by Syrianos as a potential candidate should we go down?

 

[Strummer]

I just assumed that he's been identified by Syrianos as a potential candidate should we go down?

Dunno, in all honesty. He clearly would be known to Syrianos (as they overlapped at VfB) so maybe he’s the mooted replacement if Forest go down to the Championship?

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

I just assumed that he's been identified by Syrianos as a potential candidate should we go down?

Nuno's Premiership credentials are certainly questionable, but surely he's good enough for the Championship?

If we go down and sack Nuno that will raise some serious questions as to why we employed him in the first place. I always assumed Marinakis had a longer term plan with relegation in mind with Nuno's appointment. We can't get away with missing chances and conceding from set pieces like we do in the Prem, but in the Champ that will be way less of an issue, and so Nuno should be fine.

To ditch a manager who actually has promotion on his CV and who already knows the squad, for someone who hasn't even managed in this country would be a bit crazy IMO.

 

[REDDERS78]

If we go down and sack Nuno that will raise some serious questions as to why we employed him in the first place.

It wouldn't though would it, lets be honest.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

It wouldn't though would it, lets be honest.

Course it would. Nuno's record at Spurs was relatively poor, he threw his toys out of the pram at Wolves, as far as the Prem goes he's far from an established Prem manager...I wasn't convinced when we employed him that taking a punt on that would move us any further forward than where we were, and it hasn't. But I could understand chancing it with the mindset of 1) if we go down he'll get us straight back up; 2) in the time he's here Mendes gets us some top quality.

If Nuno goes, then he neither gets us back up, and Mendes hasn't bought anyone really worth bothering with here either. Going down and sacking Nuno would be the biggest fail on all fronts possible for those in charge at the club.

 

[Any Time Now]

maybe he’s the mooted replacement if Forest go down to the Championship?

I think so, would be a strange appointment regardless

 

[Strummer]

To ditch a manager who actually has promotion on his CV and who already knows the squad, for someone who hasn't even managed in this country would be a bit crazy IMO.

 

[REDDERS78]

Course it would. Nuno's record at Spurs was relatively poor, he threw his toys out of the pram at Wolves, as far as the Prem goes he's far from an established Prem manager...I wasn't convinced when we employed him that taking a punt on that would move us any further forward than where we were, and it hasn't. But I could understand chancing it with the mindset of 1) if we go down he'll get us straight back up; 2) in the time he's here Mendes gets us some top quality.

If Nuno goes, then he neither gets us back up, and Mendes hasn't bought anyone really worth bothering with here either. Going down and sacking Nuno would be the biggest fail on all fronts possible for those in charge at the club.

Nuno had no chance at Spurs and did an absolutely great job at Wolves, he got them into Europe ffs.

I'm not here defending him, he has his faults but to it just seems like every narrative you create is aimed at bringing the club down because they sacked Cooper. Not sure why sacking a manager that you employed to improve the results would be such a drastic and controversial move by the club, if it doesn't work?

Its sort of what happens in football.

 

[Otis Redding]

Nuno's Premiership credentials are certainly questionable, but surely he's good enough for the Championship?

If we go down and sack Nuno that will raise some serious questions as to why we employed him in the first place. I always assumed Marinakis had a longer term plan with relegation in mind with Nuno's appointment. We can't get away with missing chances and conceding from set pieces like we do in the Prem, but in the Champ that will be way less of an issue, and so Nuno should be fine.

To ditch a manager who actually has promotion on his CV and who already knows the squad, for someone who hasn't even managed in this country would be a bit crazy IMO.

I agree with that apart from you questioning his PL credentials which I think he proved previously, but my assumption is based as much on Nuno possibly not fancying the prospect of managing in the Championship even if EM wants him to stay on. As I've commented previously, I'd prefer Nuno to stay irrespective of the level we're at next season.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

Nuno had no chance at Spurs and did an absolutely great job at Wolves, he got them into Europe ffs.

I'm not here defending him, he has his faults but to it just seems like every narrative you create is aimed at bringing the club down because they sacked Cooper. Not sure why sacking a manager that you employed to improve the results would be such a drastic and controversial move by the club, if it doesn't work?

Its sort of what happens in football.

I've not even mentioned Cooper, but if that's what you see from my query about the logic behind potentially binning off a proven Championship level manager for one who hasn't even managed in Britain, then you do you chap.

 

[Gyros Peter]

Out of interest how many games does an established premier league manager need (to be established)?

 

[Listen 'ere young man]

Nuno's Premiership credentials are certainly questionable, but surely he's good enough for the Championship?

If we go down and sack Nuno that will raise some serious questions as to why we employed him in the first place. I always assumed Marinakis had a longer term plan with relegation in mind with Nuno's appointment. We can't get away with missing chances and conceding from set pieces like we do in the Prem, but in the Champ that will be way less of an issue, and so Nuno should be fine.

To ditch a manager who actually has promotion on his CV and who already knows the squad, for someone who hasn't even managed in this country would be a bit crazy IMO.

I thought at the time of Nuno's appointment that it was a sensible low risk one rather than a more adventurous one which could go Pete Tong, covering both bases of having success at a similar sized club in the Premier league as well as a promotion on his CV should the worst happen.

Even if we go down, Nuno deserves a shot. This team could absolutely destroy the league or be found wanting but we would know fairly quickly.

I would give him the first 15 games of next season which ever league we are in.

This german chap hardly inspires confidence.

 

[Gyros Peter]

I can't find a table of current PL managers by PL games managed, but think Nuno pretty close to 150 - that should put him in the top half I imagine, probably top ten. He's no Moyes but that's as good an amount of top flight experience as we could have hoped for imo.

For me next season, wherever we are, Nuno gets a (hopefully proper) window to shape his own side and see how it goes from there...

 

[Strummer]

Out of interest how many games does an established premier league manager need (to be established)?

Depends how much ambition he has.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

Steve went to a back-4 following our gubbing at Leicester IIRC and continued for the remainder of the season.

Not quite.

Moved to a 442 diamond after the Leicester gubbing which morphed into a flat 433 to accommodate Shelvey (lol) and after that was find wanting we settled mostly on the 3421 'box' formation which we saw the season out with.

3412: Unstructured and unsuccessful
442 diamond: Structured and successful.
433: Unstructured and unsuccessful
3421 box: structured and successful.

There's a lesson in there somewhere...

 

[Gyros Peter]

Depends how much ambition he has.

In terms of whether he's out manager next year it might.