Nuno Herlander Simões Espírito Santo

[DanR]

I could entirely understand if Nuno decides at the end of the season that he has seen enough of the off-field shenanigans and that he might have better offers from elsewhere.

My concern is that the club decide to move him on without having a clear idea of a better replacement, and attracting a replacement proves to be a huge challenge given the uncertainty over points deductions next season, interference from above, and the lack of job stability.

 

[Strummer]

I could entirely understand if Nuno decides at the end of the season that he has seen enough of the off-field shenanigans and that he might have better offers from elsewhere.

My concern is that the club decide to move him on without having a clear idea of a better replacement, and attracting a replacement proves to be a huge challenge given the uncertainty over points deductions next season, interference from above, and the lack of job stability.

I couldn’t possibly think which of those two choices is the most likely…

 

[Statto]

Thing is, being the manager after one popular with the fans was sacked, often puts the new guy on a hiding to nothing.

in a pragmatic sense the club is right to keep the manager in post until they have a replacement lined up as this avoids the merry go round and people being approached and dropping out, etc etc. Leics did that when sacking Rodgers and ended up with Dean Smith who was a worse option. EM did this with O'Neill/Lamouchi (though that was probably a longer term plan) as well as when Hughton was brought in and it was probably the case Nuno was approached before Cooper was actually sacked.

But then when Fawaz did the same thing sacking Psycho and replacing him with Freedman a lot of fans never really got behind Dougie as he was clearly approached when Psycho was still in the job.

I'm seeing similar vibes from time to time with Nuno replacing Cooper, which is slightly unfair as he's an established PL manager - and some of the flaws are still there, but they probably aren't quick fixes, or the manager's fault anyway. Actual results are slightly better and we do look more dangerous when attacking teams which is down to the manager. I'm also not sure if we would have got Sels with Cooper as manager, Nuno was a keeper himself and played under Jose so knows the position well.

 

[Notcher]

Sacking managers may slow down a bit now across the board. Paying up a contract potentially worth millions of pounds is going to directly impact the accounts for PSR.

 

[Robertson]

Sacking managers may slow down a bit now across the board. Paying up a contract potentially worth millions of pounds is going to directly impact the accounts for PSR.

Kind of has already really.

Just Cooper, Heckingarse, and Hodgson I think this season?

And even then Hodgson was only supposed to be a temporary appointment. Same with O’Neil being replaced at Bournemouth in the summer. Lopetegi walked as well.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

Thing is, being the manager after one popular with the fans was sacked, often puts the new guy on a hiding to nothing.

in a pragmatic sense the club is right to keep the manager in post until they have a replacement lined up as this avoids the merry go round and people being approached and dropping out, etc etc. Leics did that when sacking Rodgers and ended up with Dean Smith who was a worse option. EM did this with O'Neill/Lamouchi (though that was probably a longer term plan) as well as when Hughton was brought in and it was probably the case Nuno was approached before Cooper was actually sacked.

But then when Fawaz did the same thing sacking Psycho and replacing him with Freedman a lot of fans never really got behind Dougie as he was clearly approached when Psycho was still in the job.

I'm seeing similar vibes from time to time with Nuno replacing Cooper, which is slightly unfair as he's an established PL manager - and some of the flaws are still there, but they probably aren't quick fixes, or the manager's fault anyway. Actual results are slightly better and we do look more dangerous when attacking teams which is down to the manager. I'm also not sure if we would have got Sels with Cooper as manager, Nuno was a keeper himself and played under Jose so knows the position well.

If you're going to sack a fan favorite like Cooper, you best replace him with someone who is unarguably a step up.

Some will argue Nuno is, others will argue he isn't, but there's no doubt a debate to be had there and that simply isn't good enough when you replace a fan fave. Especially in a season where price hikes happen too. You take away what fans feel connected to and charge more for that in the process, so fans expect more in return. Something which, with the FFP/PSR fiasco and resulting slip into the relegation zone, the club failed to deliver spectacularly.

We sacked Psycho in 12th and finished 14th with Dougie. It bred hatred for Fawaz which ultimately saw him ousted. If we go down with Nuno, I'm braced for a similar backlash from the fans against the ownership (which is why I've been wanting them to step away from footballing matters all year, so that such a thing can be avoided). This place may be more sensible, but the likes of Twitter will rage.

 

[Erik]

Maybe I am one of the few but I would actually like to see Nuno get a full pre-season, summer transfer window, etc. under his belt to see what he can really do.

He's been hampered by Afcon, injuries (although we are not alone here), points deduction and the lead in to that, strange on-field decisions, etc. not an easy task....

I see folk mention that he hasn't connected with the fans but with the above struggles and following Cooper, it was always going to be a slow process in making that connection.

Fingers crossed he keeps us up and then gets a good shot at it, his past record speaks for itself (minus Spuds) and I hope he can push us on!

I agree.

He's a good manager and deserves the opportunity to have a full preseason and see how it goes.

Not his fault he's been catapulted into a shit storm and struggled with similar issues to the previous manager.

 

[Thomas]

I agree.

He's a good manager and deserves the opportunity to have a full preseason and see how it goes.

Not his fault he's been catapulted into a shit storm and struggled with similar issues to the previous manager.

Hopefully there’s some money in the summer for him to get players of his ilk.


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[Statto]

If you're going to sack a fan favorite like Cooper, you best replace him with someone who is unarguably a step up.

Some will argue Nuno is, others will argue he isn't, but there's no doubt a debate to be had there and that simply isn't good enough when you replace a fan fave. Especially in a season where price hikes happen too. You take away what fans feel connected to and charge more for that in the process, so fans expect more in return. Something which, with the FFP/PSR fiasco and resulting slip into the relegation zone, the club failed to deliver spectacularly.

We sacked Psycho in 12th and finished 14th with Dougie. It bred hatred for Fawaz which ultimately saw him ousted. If we go down with Nuno, I'm braced for a similar backlash from the fans against the ownership (which is why I've been wanting them to step away from footballing matters all year, so that such a thing can be avoided). This place may be more sensible, but the likes of Twitter will rage.

I think he's a step up but so far the results haven't matched the step up in management which we have

Partially this may be because of a desire to trim the squad (whether this is Nuno or FFP has forced his hand a bit), having to get a new keeper in (which I'm sure was a focus even though they said what they did), injuries, call ups to AFCON, silly refereeing and VAR decisions, uncertainty around points deductions, or simply we don't have as good a manager as we think we do, remains to be seen. But there are areas of improvement and he did manage 2 top half finishes with a side who had come up in previous jobs, so his pedigree is more than Cooper's.

I think if we had said in 2021 when we were bottom under Hughton that in April 2024 we'll be coming to the end of our 2nd PL season with Nuno Espirito Santo and outside the relegation zone, some people would perhaps wonder what drugs had been taken.

Even last season when we looked like going down most of it, with the more progressive style of play evolving, and more quality players, again better than the low block under Cooper.

We aren't keeping clean sheets yet, but we are not leaking 3-4 goals every game under Nuno, we're in most games even though we still can't really defend set pieces yet and we don't fight at the end of matches to get goals. I'm sure those improvements will come but for now we need to stick ahead of Luton.

Staying up will have to still be the main objective for a few seasons yet, especially given it's likely we will need another big sale in the summer to get in the strength we need, whilst clearing out some more squad, and so we will probably see someone like MGW or Murillo go somewhere for a lot of money again even if we don't go down.

Give Nuno a full preseason with a more settled squad and no silly tournaments losing half the squad and then it will probably be more obvious.

When he brought Wolves up he was there for preseason and they could build after promotion where we're still recovering from having to buy virtually a whole new team twice.

The fact only Yates is really still here from the promotion squad, and only 3 of the side who drew 1-1 with city last season are still at the club speaks for itself.

 

[shearstone]

Wolves had champions League level players in the Championship. They were basically a the Portuguese national team til the money ran out and Mendes bolted. So to me his achievements there are massively overstated and he's just an average manager.

Nothing I've seen of his time here has changed that perception. I'd get rid regardless of which division we are in next season.

Our owner wants us to stop accepting failure and mediocrity and unless we win every game from here to the end of the season I can't see how Nunos tenure this season could be seen as anything but a failure

 

[Statto]

Wolves had champions League level players in the Championship. They were basically a the Portuguese national team til the money ran out and Mendes bolted. So to me his achievements there are massively overstated and he's just an average manager.

Nothing I've seen of his time here has changed that perception. I'd get rid regardless of which division we are in next season.

Our owner wants us to stop accepting failure and mediocrity and unless we win every game from here to the end of the season I can't see how Nunos tenure this season could be seen as anything but a failure

Neves was their key player, who cost 15m or so, which was a lot for a CH side. he had played CL for Porto but wasn't really a regular appearance wise for them.

Otherwise their main appearance makers were Cavaleiro, who had played a handful for both previous parent clubs (Benfica and Monaco), Boly (who came from Porto and Braga where he didn't really play regularly), Jota (who was still young, and hadn't made an appearance for Atletico who he came from, but had been loaned to Porto the season before), and Bonatini (who was on loan from Al Hilal, didn't play much after signing permanently the summer after, and was shit for us). The rest was mainly players who had already been at the club and not brought in for a lot of money such as Matt Docherty, John Ruddy, Ryan Bennett.. They had a few Portuguese/Mendes players, but really not perhaps more than we have had at times, Figureido, Goncalves, Carvalho, for example.

They bought a lot to get promotion and yes those players did later prove they were far too good for the CH but they weren't established UEFA level players. I think that the year later they just signed up the loans (such as Bonatini and Boly) and then brought in a few more players but not a massive first team turnover and not too great an expense (though WP just has them all as undisclosed). Someone like Max Kilman, who is now their captain, came in that summer from Maidenhead.

7th is probably one of the highest finishes of a promoted side, Mendes or not, he must have been doing something right there.

 

[Listen 'ere young man]

Isn't Nuno on 2.5 year contact? It surprised me at the time, given EM's firing history, thought it would be 1.5 years. Perhaps it is an indicator that relegation doesn't necessarily equate dismissal. Even if we go down, Nuno would be one of the candidates to get a team promoted.

With the Mendes factor as well, I would think he would get at least the start of next season, whatever happens this year.

 

[Listen 'ere young man]

Having seen the latest presser, he seemed calmer and didn't treat most of the silly questions with the contempt he normally does.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

Isn't Nuno on 2.5 year contact? It surprised me at the time, given EM's firing history, thought it would be 1.5 years. Perhaps it is an indicator that relegation doesn't necessarily equate dismissal. Even if we go down, Nuno would be one of the candidates to get a team promoted.

With the Mendes factor as well, I would think he would get at least the start of next season, whatever happens this year.

I definitely think that part of the thinking behind Nuno's employment was to have someone here who could get us out of the Champ if we go down.

The problem is, we're run by some very emotional, foot-through TV screen type people who let emotion cloud their judgement constantly, so it wouldn't surprise me to see that planning go out the window.

 

[Listen 'ere young man]

I definitely think that part of the thinking behind Nuno's employment was to have someone here who could get us out of the Champ if we go down.

The problem is, we're run by some very emotional, foot-through TV screen type people who let emotion cloud their judgement constantly, so it wouldn't surprise me to see that planning go out the window.

EM behaves as if he is a fan, like you mention the TV smashing antics, as well as jettisoning of a pass in a hedge in the SW6 area.

It's a difficult balance to achieve, taking emotion out of something you care about so much.

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[Strummer]

Let‘s face it, we have all fancied putting the boot into the telly when Forest have lost a match in farcical circumstances.

 

[Listen 'ere young man]

Absolutely, the thing is he can afford it. Although, does it fall outside the PSR calculations?

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[Neurotica]

Let‘s face it, we have all fancied putting the boot into the telly when Forest have lost a match in farcical circumstances.

I’ve still got the evidence of me punching a light switch when we managed to lose a game 2-1 after being one up in the 90th minute! Can’t remember what league we were in or who we were playing though!

 

[Redemption]

Personally, I'm embarrassed by the foot in the telly.

Do it in your own home, If you like. I think it's a bit moronic but it's your home and your telly.

Doing it in public, in the director's box of NFFC, sat on your throne, with all kinds of VIPs and dignatories in attendance. That's just shameful, imho.

 

[Erik]

Hopefully there’s some money in the summer for him to get players of his ilk.

He'll get what he's given and have to deal with it.

Which means whoever has caught the boy wonder's eye on FIFA and a load of Mendes favours.

 

[Thomas]

I definitely think that part of the thinking behind Nuno's employment was to have someone here who could get us out of the Champ if we go down.

The problem is, we're run by some very emotional, foot-through TV screen type people who let emotion cloud their judgement constantly, so it wouldn't surprise me to see that planning go out the window.

I don't think for one second Nuno would stay if we went down lol. Rather us get someone like Will still who wants a championship job apparently or any other up and coming manager, thats if we go down....WHICH WE AREN'T.

 

[Listen 'ere young man]

He'll get what he's given and have to deal with it.

Which means whoever has caught the boy wonder's eye on FIFA and a load of Mendes castoffs.

FTFY - You were nearly there till the last word.

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[Listen 'ere young man]

I don't think for one second Nuno would stay if we went down lol. Rather us get someone like Will still who wants a championship job apparently or any other up and coming manager, thats if we go down....WHICH WE AREN'T.

Who the heck is Will Still? Sounds like a fictional character in a low budget scouse soap opera.

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[MaxiRobriguez]

I definitely think that part of the thinking behind Nuno's employment was to have someone here who could get us out of the Champ if we go down.

No chance.

The only thinking was 'Cooper should have us mid table, I will sack him and choose someone better who will achieve that."

There is not a cat's chance in hell Marinakis was even remotely preparing for a Championship campaign next year.

 

[FLC]

Nuno won’t want a relegation on his cv without the opportunity to turn it round and get us back up. Whether EM sees it that way is another matter.