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Nuno Herlander Simões Espírito Santo

Satisfied with the replacement?

  • Yes

    Votes: 118 81.9%

  • No, I think we could've got better

    Votes: 26 18.1%
  • Total voters
    144
Est.1865

Est.1865

Screw The PL
eyupmeduck said:
Nuno didn't have to take the job with us, none of what has happened before is his responsibility either. I want him to succeed as it means that we will all benefit.

The fact that the press is saying that he's "Not getting heavily backed" in January may be a red herring, I can't invisage a Mendes affiliated manager not coming with some pre defined arrangements about player purchases/loans.

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Agree, I’d expect a few deals are lined up already.
 
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MC Plantpot

First Team Squad
EmmersonForest4 said:
This is so so so underwhleming, cant help but feel flat by this. Its like the hierarchy havent identified the problems in our play. Santo dosent cover any of Coopers weakenesses. He is just a continuos candidate. How is Santo going to get more out of Wood with the style he plays??

It’s just braindead to me, thats how I feel at the moment. I hope I am obvioulsy always proved wrong.
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Emmo, who did you want or who might you have expected?
 
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EmmersonForest4

Steve Chettle
MC Plantpot said:
Emmo, who did you want or who might you have expected?
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IF I had to make a change I actually dont care about someone with the best record. We need someone who fits the best with the team and is the best quality after that. People including me were very very pleased by getting Hughton. Hughton statiscally is the most sucsessful championship manager of all time and look at how that panned out. So its not about unrealistic expectations. I would have been happy if it was McKenna or someone like Iriola at Borunemouth. We need to play more as a team with slightly better attacking patterns to get a few more goals out of everyone in the team. De Santo is basically just like Cooper for me. It feels like a pointless change if that's the case. If De Santo sits backin a 3-4-2-1 and dosent create owt whilst relying on a centre forward like he did with Jimenez than I dont see how its a positive change. Its just a neutral change.
 
congo_red_49

congo_red_49

Ale Ape
EmmersonForest4 said:
We need to play more as a team with slightly better attacking patterns to get a few more goals out of everyone in the team. De Santo is basically just like Cooper for me. It feels like a pointless change if that's the case. If De Santo sits backin a 3-4-2-1 and dosent create owt whilst relying on a centre forward like he did with Jimenez than I dont see how its a positive change. Its just a neutral change.
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I know it's a long standing tradition to spell our Managers (and players) names wrong...but De Santo?
 
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MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
congo_red said:
I know it's a long standing tradition to speall our Managers (and players) names wrong...but De Santo?
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Thomas

Thomas

AMERICAN IDIOT
Wonder if we actually get to see Santos now.


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Haych

Haych

John Robertson
Templeton said:
But with our recruitment policy that could be a big ask. At times it seems more like a tombola at a village fair than a well thought out process, and whoever the manager is that is always going to hold us back and hamper our development as a club.
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Yeah we will probably end up with ten new players somehow.
 
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Timothy Pope

I know that Nuno that I know that Nuno that I know

Do you have one with his tits out?
 
DanR

DanR

Steve Chettle
Joe Baker's Dog said:
Was there any mention of any assistants joining him? What about coaching staff - has anybody gone yet?
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He can't bring in his assistants until the Peter Taylor Stand is large enough to accommodate them all.
 
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Villa_Fan

Youth Team
MaxiRobriguez said:
It's a guess as the accounts from our first PL season haven't been released yet, but TV revenue has added over £200m to the coffers, attendances up, merchandising up, 8 figure kit sponsor this year, intangible branding assets will be significantly up.

So somewhere between 15x-25x is likely.
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If for argument's sake Forest was valued at 50m when in the Championship, I would suspect that is low balling the value as the capital assets (stadium etc) would probably be close to 50m and that would be allocating nothing to the brand of Notts Forest. A 15x to 25x multiple would value Forest between 750m and 1.5Bn. You are significantly overestimating the increase in the value of Forest since Cooper took over. Newcastle was sold for about 320m.
 
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MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
Villa_Fan said:
If for argument's sake Forest was valued at 50m when in the Championship, I would suspect that is low balling the value as the capital assets (stadium etc) would probably be close to 50m and that would be allocating nothing to the brand of Notts Forest. A 15x to 25x multiple would value Forest between 750m and 1.5Bn. You are significantly overestimating the increase in the value of Forest since Cooper took over. Newcastle was sold for about 320m.
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Mike Ashley has wanted out for a number of years. Chelsea was sold for £4.2bn. Obviously they are a significantly more attractive investment proposition than lil' ol' Forest but not necessarily by a factor of £4bn. It just goes to show in a private market like football there's two factors which dictate price: Revenue potential and owners desire.

Marinakis doesn't want to sell Forest as far as I'm aware, so he aint going to sell the club for <£300m when he's got the potential to make that back in 4 years (given our wage bill is c.£70m and PL revenues are in excess of £150m a year as long as we are here).

As previously said, forward PE ratio of 13 that I suspect Forest are close to is not expensive when comparing against investing in more traditional industries and companies. Whether there's anyone else who actually wants to buy Forest is another question entirely though.

Edit: Other thing to consider is Forest was a £50m total buyout, and Marinakis is the majority owner but not the sole owner.
 
PlayedOnGrass

PlayedOnGrass

First Team Squad
Templeton said:
But with our recruitment policy that could be a big ask. At times it seems more like a tombola at a village fair than a well thought out process, and whoever the manager is that is always going to hold us back and hamper our development as a club.
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Coming out of the Summer window - I can't remember anybody complaining about either the quality or quantity of players we bought in.
Everyone was positive that we now had the squad in place to finish top half.

So what has happened since -
We were all wrong on the quality of the keeper - so we need a new one
Our top quality centre forward is injured and the back-ups aren't good enough to start games. - So we need a new Centre forward.

Nothing else has changed in the terms of the players.

Over the last 18 months we have upgraded everything to become an established EPL club - with the exception of the manager.
This is the obvious next step - will Nuno gets us into the Champions League - no.
Will he take us to the next level - almost certainly - Yes - he has done it before
 
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MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
PlayedOnGrass said:
Coming out of the Summer window - I can't remember anybody complaining about either the quality or quantity of players we bought in.
Everyone was positive that we now had the squad in place to finish top half.
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Let's not re-write history. The consensus opinion was somewhere around 12th-14th, with a significant minority of posters (this one included) thinking a similar season to last season was likely.

Plenty of commentary saying 17th would represent a successful if underwhelming season. Those people were right.
 
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