Nuno Herlander Simões Espírito Santo

[magicwoand]

This is great, but because he won't pick Boly and Felipe is no longer fit for purpose, we have gone backwards in defending set pieces.

That's the biggest failure Of Nuno's reign thus far, for me anyway.

This really. Nuno is fair game for criticism for how we look terrified defending set pieces. But saying it’s a Myth that Chris Wood and Neco Williams haven looked significantly better players playing under him is weird.

 

[Red Echo]

I agree if we're using the Aurier of last-season as the yardstick. However, the Aurier that we saw at the start of this season also looked like a downgrade on Aurier of last season.

Yeah, something must've gone on behind the scenes. A failed Saudi move or whatever. Last season he was my player of the year.

 

[Robertson]

Has he been injured all the time though? Thought he'd been left out. West Ham game apart, Felipe hasn't looked like a footballer this season. (and even that day he got very lucky when Murillo bailed him out).

I think broadly Nuno has played him when available. Which is hardly at all unfortunately. He went off injured in the first half during the last international break.

 

[congo_red_49]

Has he been injured all the time though? Thought he'd been left out. West Ham game apart, Felipe hasn't looked like a footballer this season. (and even that day he got very lucky when Murillo bailed him out).

As far as I'm aware, he's usually been at least on the subs bench when not injured, apart from when he was away at the AFCON.
Agree about Felipe - he's pretty much done at this point and his announcement about retirement pretty much confirms it. But he still has by far the best pedigree of any of our defenders, so I can see why a manager might still use him in the hopes that his experience can overcome his physical limitations.

 

[Dirk Furtull]

Anyway, what about Camp v Smith?

Camp every day of the week. No contest, Shirley.

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[Gyros Peter]

Cooper was shit | Nuno is shit *

* delete as appropriate

I like both.

 

[magicwoand]

And there's the problem in a nutshell.

Anyone daring to criticise Nuno in any way gets jumped on by Nuno acolytes (oddly primarily, but not exclusively people who wanted Cooper out) and anyone who dares to criticise Cooper or say things may be better in aspects now gets jumped on by Cooper acolytes.

Anyone who wants to try to balance things out is going to do either one, or the other, or both and gets caught up in the crossfire.

Do you think that someone is a Nuno acolyte if they think that Chris Wood and Neco Williams have performed significantly better since the managerial change and that stating that someone described this as a myth was talking absolute bollocks? Asking for a friend.

 

[Munich and Madrid]

Neco had come good under Cooper.

But Wood hadn't. Wood was completely ineffectual for Cooper apart from the Luton home game when he should have bagged 4 or 5 goals, but that's because Luton were toss.

However, I'm not sure I'd go as far as giving Nuno all the credit for bringing Wood on. He clearly has to some extent, but also the reality is Wood needs players around him as he's more of a poacher than anything else, and the shift to the 4-2-3-1 with MGW as the #10 under Nuno has given Wood that support (and very good support at that), but the key things under Cooper was:
1) There were very few games where both Elanga and CHO were available, and fit.
2) There appeared to be pressure to play a 4 at the back, possession based game
3) There appeared to be pressure to play Sangare.

Those combination of factors almost forced the hand of the 4-1-4-1 with MGW shoehorned out wide. I don't think for one second Cooper actually thought that set-up was his best side, and it was telling that when it became 100% obvious that he was going to get sacked (post Fulham) he reverted to the wing back setup.

Asking for a friend can you advise your knowledge of this ‘appeared pressure’? From where did it originate?

 

[EmmersonForest4]

Do you think that someone is a Nuno acolyte if they think that Chris Wood and Neco Williams have performed significantly better since the managerial change and that stating that someone described this as a myth was talking absolute bollocks? Asking for a friend.

Anyone saying Wood and Williams havent performaed better since Nuno has taken over are off their rocker. In fact I would say this season Gibbs-White looks far better under Nuno than Cooper. I love Cooper but what he did at the start of this season was completely baffling. Why play Wood in a low block and expect him to counter?!?! Why play Gibbs -White out wide?!?!?!

However Nuno hasnt fully changed the low block system which is causing us so many problems and our defence has arguably got worse. My main gripe is Cooper and Nuno havent chnaged the game plan suffieintly. The way we performed against Burnley and Sheffield United at home this season was embarassing really considering how much investment went into the side. The way Fulham were able to dominate us posession wise at home wasnt good enough. I am not a posession fantisist but to have less shots and less posession at home against a ragged side who is equal in quality to us isnt good enough. For the quality of the side we have undoubtedly underperformed this season.

So I dont get people falling out between Cooper and Nuno One isnt significantly better or worse than the other but overall both have been disapointing to me.

 

[Munich and Madrid]

And there's the problem in a nutshell.

Anyone daring to criticise Nuno in any way gets jumped on by Nuno acolytes (oddly primarily, but not exclusively people who wanted Cooper out) and anyone who dares to criticise Cooper or say things may be better in aspects now gets jumped on by Cooper acolytes.

Anyone who wants to try to balance things out is going to do either one, or the other, or both and gets caught up in the crossfire.

The daft thing is Erik that we are suppose to be NFFC acolytes. I have to say the Nuno posts come across more reasoned than the Cooper/Maranakis ones. We have the ambition quotes from the same posters and I still fail to understand why ambition would be a bad thing. The slow posts for Nuno which are just f***ing rude and insulting. Then we have posters belittling Nuno for what he says post match, I don’t give a shit what he says then, only that he is engaged and developing the players.While he is the manager he gets my 100% support just as SC did before him.

 

[congo_red_49]

I still fail to understand why ambition would be a bad thing.

Ambition can become a bad thing when it is not grounded in reality. Over-reaching beyond realistic ambition usually leads to bad decisions.

 

[Redemption]

I still fail to understand why ambition would be a bad thing

The 'ambition' thing became an in-joke when it was used by pro-movers to justify leaving the City Ground.

It was built on Marinakis' assertion that Forest fans too easily settle for mediocre standards. Some agree with him, others think there might be a danger of grand ideas colliding with reality.

 

[Gyros Peter]

Ambition can become a bad thing when it is not grounded in reality. Over-reaching beyond realistic ambition usually leads to bad decisions.

Yeah but, AMBITION!!!

 

[congo_red_49]

Yeah but, AMBITION!!!

FACT!

 

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[Munich and Madrid]

Ambition can become a bad thing when it is not grounded in reality. Over-reaching beyond realistic ambition usually leads to bad decisions.

Who has decided that it is over reaching? Many companies every year set targets that are ambitious and do not achieve them It does not mean that they made bad decisions in trying to achieve those targets.

 

[Gyros Peter]

I find all the acolyte talk a bit ridiculous if I'm honest - imagine folk may have me pegged as one side or the other. Let me be clear I am a fan of Nottingham Forest.

(Unlike lots on here my only concern really is them winning football matches too.)

 

[congo_red_49]

Who has decided that it is over reaching? Many companies every year set targets that are ambitious and do not achieve them It does not mean that they made bad decisions in trying to achieve those targets.

And many other companies over-stretch themselves trying to reach their targets and end up going bust as a result.
Many good employees are fired for not reaching unrealistic targets set by their deluded management, only to be replaced by someone not as competent.

 

[Redemption]

Unlike lots on here my only concern really is winnin

Now I'm worried that I'm in the loser camp.

 

[Gyros Peter]

Now I'm worried that I'm in the loser camp.

Loser!

And to be clear I mean I'm not so bothered about all the off field stuff. Granted it's annoying when it takes points away from the on field stuff, but I don't buy shoes from a shoe shop wondering how good their profit margins are, whether they provide an outreach program for trainerholics or if they recycle old trainers into baby shoes in the developing world. If I did I'd be wearing Tom's, and they're shite.

 

[Munich and Madrid]

And many other companies over-stretch themselves trying to reach their targets and end up going bust as a result.
Many good employees are fired for not reaching unrealistic targets set by their deluded management, only to be replaced by someone not as competent.

I prefer to think that most companies are not as you describe , but maybe I am a glass half full individual. I accept that some Companies over reach but if you don’t drive the business forward then you have the alternative which is stagnation and if we accept that as a norm we are not going to ensure the future of our children and grandchildren.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

What is there to change my mind, I’ve put a valid reason why he has played Origi over Elanga in certain games. If Elanga had been banging in the chances then I would, agree with you, but he hasn’t. Your treating it like it’s a war crime, which is bizarre.

I've already covered this earlier in the thread regards Sangare, but if you genuinely think Nuno couldn't have judged that or Origi/Elanga better then I doubt anything I will say will change your mind.

"Treating it like a War crime."

Don't go stinging yourself on any nettles now, I don't think the world could recover from such a global catastrophe as that.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

Heh, middle ground is hard to find here. I agree they have improved under Nuno, largely due to more appearances - and I said as much in my post. I just disagree with the notion that Nuno has somehow discovered something none of us had seen or thought possible. Neco especially has looked good (when called upon) all season. Very happy to give Nuno credit, I've generally been one of his defenders since he started.

This is bang on.

He's been OK, he's got positives, but after one great 45 min (followed by a semi-resilient 2nd half) min, asking everyone to suddenly forget the grind which it's been getting there is a bit unrealistic.

Like you say, a lot of stuff he's actioned has been stuff a fair amount of posters have been calling for.

I'm glad for the fact he's done that, and I also recognize he's got better qualities such as how he's bought out the best in some players like Wood, but I'm not suddenly in awe of him because he's finally got the basic team setup down.

He came here when we were 17th, he got the squad trimmed, a key player in Sels, and some additional players to boot. We're still in 17th. It's OK, but it's not particularly rapid progress either. When he starts taking us up the table to places which we haven't been yet, then I'll start to get more excited.

Let's stay up this year and hope that Nuno gets the chance to shape the squad well in the Summer. My hope is that his desire for a tight squad kyboshes and crap ego or panic additions from those above him.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

Asking for a friend can you advise your knowledge of this ‘appeared pressure’? From where did it originate?

The fact that Sangare's not a quick transition player that Cooper and to a lesser extent Nuno favour, who's also been toss every time he's played, found himself a regular pick for both Cooper and Nuno until such a point that they're on the cusp of losing their jobs so they seemingly take matters into their own hands and played players based on their system rather than how much they cost.

On one hand you've got those who back Marinakis claiming he's an ambitionlord and heavily involved with the club and that's a good thing, whilst at the same time suggesting he wouldn't have anything to say whatsoever about how a £35m signing was utilised, or not utilised. Funny that.

 

[congo_red_49]

My hope is that his desire for a tight squad kyboshes and crap ego or panic additions from those above him.

It's the hope that kills you Alfred. Let's be honest - he's got two options - put up with the panic/ego buys, or write his resignation letter.