NFFC to furlough non-playing staff

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

Flaggers has posted this in the official update thread, but I think it's worthy of it's own.

NFFC to furlough non-playing staff

https://twitter.com/BBCRNS/status/1247480655820124161?s=19

Sad day for the club.

Considering stopping supporting the club now. Lowered ourselves to a level I don't want to be associated with.

As Wes so superbly puts......

It's way beyond time that football realigned with reality, when it isn't unusual for 2nd division players to be earning in excess of £1 million p/a the job is well and truly f**ked.

 

[Strummer]

Posted in the other thread, it’s a disgrace. Forest are owned by a multi-millionaire, who is seemingly happy to take Taxpayers‘ cash to subsidise the business.

Not good Forest. Not good at all.

You seriously need to rethink this.

 

[Wes' Organ]

Flaggers has posted this in the official update thread, but I think it's worthy of it's own.



Sad day for the club.

Considering stopping supporting the club now. Lowered ourselves to a level I don't want to be associated with.

As Wes so superbly puts......

My pal has started watching Basford, he's Boro and she's (proper) Man City and they're always trying to get us down there. My season ticket is due and I'm having real reservations about renewing. It doesn't feel relevant anymore and watching the PFA (with the backing of their members) refusing pay cuts (they'll do a Liverpool and back pedal as soon as public opinion gets loud enough) f***ing sickens me.
Yes, it's a short career but what the f*** entitles them to retire at 35 anyway?

 

[Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.]

No different to thousands of other companies doing the same.

And many of those thousands of other companies make a profit (unlike Forest).

The problem lies with the players and their salaries that bear no resemblance to the real world.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

Posted in the other thread, it’s a disgrace. Forest are owned by a multi-millionaire, who is seemingly happy to take Taxpayers‘ cash to subsidise the business.

Not good Forest. Not good at all.

You seriously need to rethink this.

Aye. Low as f*** when you look at our wage bill & conks like Zach Clough, Muric, Semedo picking up stupid wages every week.

Think I might end up supporting LTLF instead of NFFC now. I mean, EM was on about buying a 3rd f***ing club the other week FFS!

No different to thousands of other companies doing the same.

And many of those thousands of other companies make a profit (unlike Forest).

The problem lies with the players and their salaries that bear no resemblance to the real world.

You're last sentence is the difference you don't recognize in the first sentence.

Breech of contract? So what? Let the players f*** off for free.

Zach Clough, Semedo, Muric......give them the f***ing £200/wk they're worth and if they want to f*** off let them f*** off.

Weak.

 

[Eddie Yates]

Disappointed in Forest, thought we were better than that

 

[Statto]

Not sure this is anywhere near as bad as it looks.

There have been no matches since 14th March, which is almost a month, and no sign of when it may start again. Aside from the loss of matchday income, and other commercial activities the ground may be used for, the players clearly aren't in training either, so is there actually any work for them?

As I understand the furlough scheme is available to businesses whose activity has been affected by the coronavirus (you can't argue a football club hasn't) so that the work load of the employees is reduced which would normally make them redundant but as the condition is temporary they can simply tell them not to work whilst they have no work and reclaim some of their wages from the Government in the process.

On the face of it, and considering that loads of other employers (large and small) have furloughed or redeployed staff, a football club isn't much different from this.

Don't also forget the club are also topping up the remaining 20% so they are getting full pay until they are needed again, so the staff aren't losing anything and the only change is that they don't need to go into work (or do their tasks from home) but this may well be because they have no work anyway?

They probably also can't really furlough the players, as they would earn too much - there's an upper limit on how much they can claim back and their salaries will be well over it.

 

[Statto]

Aye. Low as f*** when you look at our wage bill & conks like Zach Clough, Muric, Semedo picking up stupid wages every week.

Think I might end up supporting LTLF instead of NFFC now. I mean, EM was on about buying a 3rd f***ing club the other week FFS!



You're last sentence is the difference you don't recognize in the first sentence.

Breech of contract? So what? Let the players f*** off for free.

Zach Clough, Semedo, Muric......give them the f***ing £200/wk they're worth and if they want to f*** off let them f*** off.

Weak.

I don't get why we haven't just paid off Clough and told him to find another club, he's done nothing since the first six weeks he was here and is now just taking up a place in the U23s which we could be putting someone like Ethan Dekel in, in other words a player who is learning the game and wants to play for us.

Surely he's nowhere near the team and wouldn't be even if all the other senior midfielders were out injured.

Muric and Semedo aren't ours, maybe we couldn't send them back in the transfer window or something, but as they're only on loan we probably aren't paying their full wage anyway.

 

[Eddie Yates]

Not sure this is anywhere near as bad as it looks.

There have been no matches since 14th March, which is almost a month, and no sign of when it may start again. Aside from the loss of matchday income, and other commercial activities the ground may be used for, the players clearly aren't in training either, so is there actually any work for them?

As I understand the furlough scheme is available to businesses whose activity has been affected by the coronavirus (you can't argue a football club hasn't) so that the work load of the employees is reduced which would normally make them redundant but as the condition is temporary they can simply tell them not to work whilst they have no work and reclaim some of their wages from the Government in the process.

On the face of it, and considering that loads of other employers (large and small) have furloughed or redeployed staff, a football club isn't much different from this.

Don't also forget the club are also topping up the remaining 20% so they are getting full pay until they are needed again, so the staff aren't losing anything and the only change is that they don't need to go into work (or do their tasks from home) but this may well be because they have no work anyway?

They probably also can't really furlough the players, as they would earn too much - there's an upper limit on how much they can claim back and their salaries will be well over it.

£1m probably covers that, i'd rather we took it from next season transfer budget than take government money

EM could cover it in the meantime

 

[Statto]

£1m probably covers that, i'd rather we took it from next season transfer budget than take government money

EM could cover it in the meantime

Good point, but that may well have FFP impact if we did it that way, though...

 

[Daz42]

Any idea what the total annual salaries combined might be for all furloughed staff?
Bet it's small change in EMs back pocket.
Very disappointing from Forest.

 

[Strummer]

Also, the club could definitely furlough the players - they are just as much PAYE employees as the (so-called) „non-playing staff“ are, but the government scheme is capped at £2.5k a month. Of course, every player will be paid more than that (significantly so in some cases).

So, why not? Let’s see if the poor dears can manage on a fairly ordinary income! It’s not like they’re doing much else to earn it, save for a bit of PR fluff, are they?

 

[StuC]

Also, the club could definitely furlough the players - they are just as much PAYE employees as the (so-called) „non-playing staff“ are, but the government scheme is capped at £2.5k a month. Of course, ever player will be paid more than that (significantly so in some cases).

So, why not? Let’s see if the poor dears can manage on a fairly ordinary income! It’s not like they’re doing much else to earn it, save for a bit of PR fluff, are they?

Pretty sure the PFA said it would be a breach of contract and that players would be free to move.

 

[StuC]

here it is

Employers do need to seek an employee’s consent to put them on furlough, however, and the PFA is advising players not to agree to such a move. Without specific clauses in their contracts allowing for a leave of absence, clubs fear that furloughing players could constitute a breach of contract and potentially allow them to leave for free.

 

[Strummer]

Pretty sure the PFA said it would be a breach of contract and that players would be free to move.

I’d love to see that challenged in court.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

Pretty sure the PFA said it would be a breach of contract and that players would be free to move.

Bong, Clough, Semedo, Muric, Hef etc. Where's the negative?

Bomb squad gone for no payout.

 

[StuC]

I’d love to see that challenged in court.

How is the PFA funded? is it a set fee for every player, or (and i'm going to guess it's this option) a percentage of the players wage?

 

[Rigler]

About 20 years ago a good friend of mine worked at Forest as a receptionist. Back then the non playing staff were treated like second class citizens compared to the players, looks like that hasn't changed.....

 

[Wes' Organ]

How is the PFA funded? is it a set fee for every player, or (and i'm going to guess it's this option) a percentage of the players wage?

A set fee for all players £125 or something daft like that springs to mind. I can't remember what their main income stream is but it isn't membership.
I got that from Undr the Cosh podcast.

 

[Barbus]

Bong, Clough, Semedo, Muric, Hef etc. Where's the negative?

Bomb squad gone for no payout.

And Grabban, Lolley, the Sambas, Matty Cash? Are you happy to see them walk, too?

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[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

And Grabban, Lolley, the Sambas, Matty Cash? Are you happy to see them walk, too?

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Why would they leave if the toss players leeching a wage off us were the ones docked and not them?

 

[Daz42]

Anyone got intel on the players bonus structure for goals, clean sheets, appearances etc, etc.
Surely that pot could be distributed amongst the non playing staff while it's not being utilised.

 

[Barbus]

Why would they leave if the toss players leeching a wage off us were the ones docked and not them?

You do realise they'd have to treat all the playing staff the same, don't you?
Don't play daft alf you're far from it.

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[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

You do realise they'd have to treat all the playing staff the same, don't you?
Don't play daft alf you're far from it.

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Genuine question, who's to stop them being selective? :dunno:

I mean, what has Zack Clough done to warrant the millions he's earned from us over the everyman who props us up every week? :dunno: Why can't we reduce his wage to cover costs? :dunno:

Not playing daft here, genuinely don't know the ins & outs of the Furlough coz I'm still working full time so haven't really looked.

 

[Liaminho]

Wank. Forest like to posture that they're a "community" club but when push comes to shove it just shows how much of it is just PR.

How much is Bong and Jenkinson on? Jenkinson alone cost two f***ing million which I'm pretty sure could cover the wages of most of the staff at NFFC.