Matchday 33 - Nottingham Forest v Wolverhampton Wanderers. Saturday, 13th April KO 3:00pm

[Bonfy177]

fire damaged flatscreens on the cheap?

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

For some weird reason I think we will get a point at City too, but don’t quote me on that one .

I'd be happy if we can contain that to a 2-0 loss.

Protecting the goal difference advantage over Luton is a more likely objective from that game than getting a point.

 

[Mcbeth99]

Disappointing result. We were somewhat better than Wolves. Danilo, Murillo and MGW were fantastic. CHO was quite good, albeit just a bit off things. Reyna looked quite good--he's an elegant player. Williams and Aina both good. Obamadele so-so, and Yates was shit. Sels, a bit disappointed on their equalizer. Yates first. His horrible giveaway in our back third was saved by a Murillo miracle---that is one of the best thefts of a sure goal you will ever see. Their first goal, Obamadele was beaten BUT if Yates had closed Cunha down properly the shot would have never happened. So both Yates and Obama poor on that. Sels can't really be faulted, in my view. Second goal, Sels just wasn't good enough. Not certain who got beat for the free header, but whomever that person is, they are just as culpable as Sels on that one, and their rating goes down a notch. Another set piece cockup. Real f***ing poor. Pawson was good, we can have no complaints about the referee today.

Agree with most of this except the ref. Was not consistant in what he let both sides get away with, once again to our detriment - yes I do think we lost the game ourselves but he certainly had an effect and it really pisses me off.

 

[Malwood]

Agree with most of this except the ref. Was not consistant in what he let both sides get away with, once again to our detriment - yes I do think we lost the game ourselves but he certainly had an effect and it really pisses me off.

I think you need to adjust your expectations for the officials, otherwise you're just going to be angry every week.

 

[adam09]

Agree with most of this except the ref. Was not consistant in what he let both sides get away with, once again to our detriment - yes I do think we lost the game ourselves but he certainly had an effect and it really pisses me off.

Ref was ok first half with nothing to do.

Shit second half. As you say, the soft fouls to Wolves started coming and then our players are tripped up multiple times around their box, not one is given.

Also was that Hwang with the worst dive you’ll see all season? If they don’t book players for that it will never stop.

Also the time added on was a joke, once again. Played 30 seconds over and stopped when we had a corner when the first 2 minutes of time added one the ball was barely in play.

 

[Mcbeth99]

I think you need to adjust your expectations for the officials, otherwise you're just going to be angry every week.

Unfortunately you are right, I will try, its just very difficult!!!

 

[Mcbeth99]

We've all seen it everyone from Pundit to rival players and managers knows it, our set pieces are awful and costing us an unbelievable amount of points. Why did Nuno not use the set-piece coach we hired? If he had a better one in his own staff I could understand it but he clearly doesn't. If the set piece coach is rubbish which is why he's not used then sack him and get a better one.

 

[Rockabilly]

fire damaged flatscreens on the cheap?

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[isaacs]

I still cannot believe how easy we made it for them for both goals. Lower Championship quality moments.

 

[marshal99]

both goals were preventable, omo getting turned like that , you could blame it on youth and inexperience, 21 and first time in the pl , hope he learns from it but sels should know better for their 2nd. Hope Boly is fit for the everton match.

 

[RealSicilian]

We've dropped 51 points from winning positions this season. f***ing incredible

Obviously you're not gonna win all the games you lead in but even if you see a third of them out that's another 16 points and puts you midtable

The quote I heard was 50 points dropped 'since promotion'. Still rubbish but a big difference.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

An okay performance but another missed opportunity. We played some decent football without ever reaching the type of fluency we displayed in the Fulham game. I thought we started well and with plenty of intent but sat off too much as the half went on & let Wolves have too much 'easy' possession. They didn't do too much with it but as ever, Forest are always there to help. First Yates lays a chance on a plate with a poorly hit pass on the edge of his own box, one which Murillo eventually clears off the line. Then Omobamidele lets Cunha in with a typical piece of weak one v one defending & he sticks it in the top corner.

Getting the equaliser before HT was a huge boost and it came from a likely source (!). Who'd have thought the bloke that's been on our mostly poor set-pieces was the only one capable of getting on the end of one? Anyway, it was a good header from MGW who as usual, was the best player on the park.

The second half started slowly but burst into life just before we got the 2nd. Danilo (BST) doing what he does best with a driving run forward and into the box where he finished nicely. He's a much better played when he's able to make runs forward but a bit like Yates, he makes too many sloppy passes in his own half. The euphoria lasted barely 5 minutes as Forest failed to defend a bog-standard corner, Wood mis-judged the flight of the initial ball & Sels for some reason decided to palm a pretty standard take into a crowded 6 yard box. Forest huffed & puffed but got worse as the last 20 minutes went on. Dominguez did okay but in general I thought the subs made us worse, especially Origi/Tavares who were both inept.

It was interesting to watch how we lined up today, quite often dropping into a back 3 with CHO filling in at LWB. Was that to match up with Wolves or an effort to get Reyna into a no.10 position alongisde MGW? It might have worked a little better but I thought Williams had a really poor game & was so wasteful whenever he received the ball in the attacking third. It also meant we struggled to get CHO on the ball in the attacking wide left position where he can be dangerous.

There's no doubt that Dominguez & Danilo are our most talented central midfielders right now but can Nuno trust those two as a defensive pair when we have a back 5 that struggles to defend any sort of pressure, especially aerially? Murillo in general had a good game, he was essentially our playmaker in possession and played some nice passes forward & into midfield. Omobamidele was pretty poor but I really don't know how we'll deal with the bombardment that will undoubtedly come from Everton next week.

The Danilo + Dom combo highlights the failings with recruitment again for me.

Individually you want both starting, they're both very talented and up to the Prem. But, as you elude to, together there's a defensive frailty and lack of consistency which blows hot & cold and leaves us exposed. On a great day they can win us points against any team in the league, but on a bad day they'll drop bollocks which cost us games (and have). If both have a bad day you're asking for trouble.

To compound that, you'd a much more consistent and dependable player who could compliment both in Mangala, and the club have to sell him to accommodate an expensive flop signing in Sangare.

So here you have a great example of the lack of joined up thinking in recruitment. The fanboys who simp for anything the club does will defend recruitment with "yeah, but Danilo was a great signing + Dom was a great signing! = Recruitment are great!", but it's all the key bits in between which glue it all together which they are missing.

I can't be doing with this "we played great except for a few brain farts in defence" stuff. This is "other than that how did you enjoy the theatre Mrs Lincoln?" levels of denial. Defensive brain farts are not a bug for Forest -- they're a feature.
We have lost 50 points from winning positions this season. 50 points!!! There's no other team that does this shit so consistently. It's our brand, our MO, our USP.
And it's inexcusable. It's bad coaching, bad management, bad leadership.
Look at Wolves equalising goal, the one that cost us 2 points we desperately need. It's farcical. Nobody in a red shirt (or whatever colour shirt Sels was wearing) seems to have a clue what he's doing.
And yet this is no surprise -- we do this over and over and over again. WTF is this about? Nuno brought in a whole new backroom team of coaches. What do they do? Why did he effectively fire the setpiece coach? I haven't a clue but the problem is that nobody else at the club seems to have one either.
It really shouldn't be like this. We play a lot of good football. We have some wonderful young players. We showed that again today -- we were the better side. But yet again we pissed that superiority away. We can't make it count because there's a complete failure of basic defensive organisation.
It all leaves us in the humiliating position that we are dependent on Luton being worse than we are. It may well be that they are -- but we should be good enough to decide our own destiny.

Top post. If we stay up this year, it will be largely down to the fact that the Prem has 3 dire clubs propping it up. We won't get away with that in future years.

 

[Mr RayReardon]

We won't... but, there is a making of a good side. We've played 'well' in lots of games this season and are much better side than last year. A starting 11 of:

Sels

Williams
Omabimadele
Murillo
Aina

Dominguez
Danillo
MGW

CHO
Awoniyi/Wood
Elanga

Has a real potential if we can keep it together. This side, once settled certainly, achieve what Fulham, Wolves and Bournemouth enjoy.

Have faith - the set piece issue will resolve itself once we have a settled team and the lads become more used to Premier League football. Both centre backs are growing into the league

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[adam09]

God that Origi f*** up looks even worse on the replays. Wood absolutely clear if he plays it across first time.

 

[adam09]

We've dropped 51 points from winning positions this season. f***ing incredible

Obviously you're not gonna win all the games you lead in but even if you see a third of them out that's another 16 points and puts you midtable

Some games we've gone ahead really early and Man Utd we were 2-0 up ffs but it's those late ones, especially both Luton games, which have cost us.

 

[ARedChester]

If we stay up this year, it will be largely down to the fact that the Prem has 3 dire clubs propping it up.

This is no different to any other season or league.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

This is no different to any other season or league.

I think the 3 propping it up this year are, as a collective, worse than any other year I can think of. Sheff U are one of the few clubs (other than ourselves back in the 90's) who became a selling club, and arguably ended up with a worse squad, by getting promoted.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/sheff-utd-paul-heckingbottom-latest-31589785

 

[Rockabilly]

God that Origi f*** up looks even worse on the replays. Wood absolutely clear if he plays it across first time.

Aye... I was scream at the the telly "Pass it to Woody!!!"

 

[Rockabilly]

Some games we've gone ahead really early and Man Utd we were 2-0 up ffs but it's those late ones, especially both Luton games, which have cost us.

Absolutely.

 

[Harry1982]

From what I picked up from the match I don't think there is too much between ourselves and teams like wolves. The main difference between us is a player of the quality of Cunha, in the final third, yes wood a great goal scorer but cunha creates and causes a hell of a lot more problems for the opposition

 

[Redemption]

Aye... I was scream at the the telly "Pass it to Woody!!!"

Maybe scream louder so the **** can hear you?

 

[Redemption]

From what I picked up from the match I don't think there is too much between ourselves and teams like wolves

That's what I thought too. They just have a bit more in front of goal.

 

[Rockabilly]

Maybe scream louder so the **** can hear you?

Aye...

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

From what I picked up from the match I don't think there is too much between ourselves and teams like wolves. The main difference between us is a player of the quality of Cunha, in the final third, yes wood a great goal scorer but cunha creates and causes a hell of a lot more problems for the opposition

And set pieces.

 

[Captain Sinister]

From what I picked up from the match I don't think there is too much between ourselves and teams like wolves. The main difference between us is a player of the quality of Cunha, in the final third, yes wood a great goal scorer but cunha creates and causes a hell of a lot more problems for the opposition

Awoniyi is our Cunha, but unfortunately, while Cunha has recovered from the hamstring injury that has kept him out since February, Awoniyi is still recovering from his groin/thigh muscle injuries.
I said to the Mrs that that first goal by Cunha was the sort of goal Awoniyi would have scored if he was fit... powerful fast running, bamboozling the defenders, and firing in an unstoppable shot.
It was also reminiscent of Keinan Davis in the championship.