Injury Stats

[Fawazzock]

How does one find stats on injuries at clubs?

It would be very interesting to know if we suffer significantly worse than anyone else, and any other trends.

I've heard it said we suffer more, I've heard it said we suffer the same, I've heard blame apportioned to various things.

If there is something causing injury issues (e.g. shortcoming in the pitch) it's the kind of thing you can imagine Keane identifying and highlighting.

Is our occurrence of injuries normal?

 

[Ravi]

How does one find stats on injuries at clubs?

It would be very interesting to know if we suffer significantly worse than anyone else, and any other trends.

I've heard it said we suffer more, I've heard it said we suffer the same, I've heard blame apportioned to various things.

If there is something causing injury issues (e.g. shortcoming in the pitch) it's the kind of thing you can imagine Keane identifying and highlighting.

Is our occurrence of injuries normal?

I think it is normal. I've looked into this before and there is research online which I'll try and dig up. The rate of injuries is high at all clubs in the modern game.

 

[Ravi]

soccer is a highly demanding activity, the injury

incidence is very high [1]. In addition, the risk of acute injury in

professional soccer players is up to 1,000 times higher when com-

pared to any type of industrial activity [2]. Epidemiological studies

indicate that the prevalence rate of injuries in professional soccer

is 15%, which means that for a team of 25 players, approximately

4 players are not available to participate in each training session

and official match showed that 65-95% of players had at least one

injury each season [2]. Most scientic studies show that injury risk

increases with the time of exposure to ofcial competition [3,5].

The values of injury incidence indicate that 13-40.3 injuries per

1,000 match hours happen during ofcial matches, while 1.9-5.9

injuries per 1,000 hours occurred during training sessions [4-6].

It is important to know that between 16% and 35% of the total

injuries are recurrences [7], which are classied in turn into early

recurrences (< 2 months, 12-33%), and delayed recurrences (> 2

months, 2-4%) [7].




https://www.researchgate.net/public...ce_of_Injuries_in_Professional_Soccer_Players



Another source:

On average an elite soccer team with 25 players will experience about 50 injuries per season (Ekstrand, Hagglund, & Walden,*2011Ekstrand,*J.,*Hagglund,*M., &*Walden,*M.*(2011).*Injury incidence and injury patterns in professional football: The UEFA injury study.*British Journal of Sports Medicine,45(7),*553–558.10.1136/bjsm.2009.060582[Crossref],*[PubMed],*[Web of Science ],*,*[Google Scholar])

 

[Ravi]

I regularly speak with friends/family who support Derby and Leeds. They always have similar tales of ‘bad luck’ with injuries. Both clubs have lost key players to long term injuries this season. It isn’t something that’s unique to Forest.

 

[Cortez the Killer]

But surely one can influence the possibility of injuries by, for example, buying older players or players who are cheaper due to their injury-blighted past.

 

[Ravi]

But surely one can influence the possibility of injuries by, for example, buying older players or players who are cheaper due to their injury-blighted past.

This year's scapegoat.

Over the years we've seen fans blame the pitch, the manager's training methods, the physios, the doctors, and this season it's because we signed some experienced players. The fact is, football is a dangerous activity and injuries are inevitable. Sometimes shit just happens and no one is to blame.

 

[gamble]

Every team suffers injurys, but what I'd want to know is how many clubs suffer with long term injuries of 6months or more on such a regular basis, we have had 3 already and every season before we have had 2 for what seems like a decade.

 

[Project Zeus]

It's such a loser's mentality the blame injuries.

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[Otis Redding]

This year's scapegoat.

Over the years we've seen fans blame the pitch, the manager's training methods, the physios, the doctors, and this season it's because we signed some experienced players. The fact is, football is a dangerous activity and injuries are inevitable. Sometimes shit just happens and no one is to blame.

This season's freakish central-defensive injury crisis at Forest aside, that makes perfect sense Ravi.

 

[Cortez the Killer]

This year's scapegoat.

Over the years we've seen fans blame the pitch, the manager's training methods, the physios, the doctors, and this season it's because we signed some experienced players. The fact is, football is a dangerous activity and injuries are inevitable. Sometimes shit just happens and no one is to blame.

Well for many years the dip in form caused by our injured players is directly related to us sacking managers so maybe it's the owners who need to understand that all clubs have injured players and suffer blips accordingly.

 

[Ravi]

Every team suffers injurys, but what I'd want to know is how many clubs suffer with long term injuries of 6months or more on such a regular basis, we have had 3 already and every season before we have had 2 for what seems like a decade.

A couple of examples, I know Derby have Forsyth, Bennett out for the season and Curtis Davies has been out for months. Leeds have had Jansson, Ayling and Berardi out long term this season. Ayling picked up a knee injury in the match against us of course.

 

[Steve Stone's Mullet]

Elastic bands. Pull it tighter, it performs better but breaks sooner.

Players these days are too highly tuned. They're at such an optimal level, it only takes the slightest twang and they're out.

 

[eugenboppboppbopp]

We buy the f***ers injured

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[Otis Redding]

We buy the f***ers injured

I recall the signing of Joe Garner being sanctioned whilst he was still in recovery from a cruciate injury, and David Vaughan unfortunately breaking his kneecap in his first training session within an hour of signing a permanent deal, but that's a pretty sweeping statement to make with little or no actual evidence.

 

[Otis Redding]

Yet another duplicated post!

 

[Ravi]

They have to get past the legendary eye test first.

 

[adam09]

Was thinking the other day after reading about their latest injuries, Bournemouth seem to get a lot of knee ligament injuries. ACLs didn’t seem to be so frequent until 10 years or so ago

 

[Ravi]

Was thinking the other day after reading about their latest injuries, Bournemouth seem to get a lot of knee ligament injuries. ACLs didn’t seem to be so frequent until 10 years or so ago

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40679002

 

[adam09]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40679002

I'm too young to really remember injuries from the 80s/90s but obviously the speed and intensity of the game is a contributing factor. We had Bennett, Cohen, Blackstock, Pinnillos, Assombalonga, Soudani and Byram who've all had bad knee injuries.

 

[witneyred]

I might be wrong wasnt Billy and staff accused some time back for the harsh training routine that resulted in some injuries?

 

[USER27764]

If I was coach, I would have been uneasy at playing Dawson 3 times in a week, especially when the 2nd match was the 5-5 where we played with 10 men for part of it as the other centre half had got sent off. So if we were a bit short of players and I did play him for 3 consecutive, then substituting him when the 3rd match is as good as won (2-0 up at home to the bottom club before half time) would have been a no-brainer. But what do I know. No wonder the dressing room weren't a happy place.

 

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So many injuries occur in the modern game due to the speed it's played at, lots of short burst sprints combined with twisting and turning, puts massive loads on the body's joints hence why knee and achilles injuries are more to the fore now.

Tendon and ligament damage take a lot longer to heal than a broken bone and result in the player never returning to the same level of fitness they had before the injury.

From then onwards players have to be managed medically far better, but in the heat of battle it's so difficult to remember to do the things that stop injuries reoccurring.

Chris Cohen said that he had to change his style of play to alleviate the stresses he was putting on his body after his last but one bad injury, but in the end, when caught up in the heat of the moment, he couldn't, resulting in his career coming to an end.

When Roy Keane arrived he said in his first interview that the club needed a "bit of luck". That's what it boils down to with injuries, both individually and throughout the team.

You can have the best manager, players, medical facilities and structure, but without luck the team will achieve f*** all.

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[Harry1982]

So many injuries occur in the modern game due to the speed it's played at, lots of short burst sprints combined with twisting and turning, puts massive loads on the body's joints hence why knee and achilles injuries are more to the fore now.

Tendon and ligament damage take a lot longer to heal than a broken bone and result in the player never returning to the same level of fitness they had before the injury.

From then onwards players have to be managed medically far better, but in the heat of battle it's so difficult to remember to do the things that stop injuries reoccurring.

Chris Cohen said that he had to change his style of play to alleviate the stresses he was putting on his body after his last but one bad injury, but in the end, when caught up in the heat of the moment, he couldn't, resulting in his career coming to an end.

When Roy Keane arrived he said in his first interview that the club needed a "bit of luck". That's what it boils down to with injuries, both individually and throughout the team.

You can have the best manager, players, medical facilities and structure, but without luck the team will achieve f*** all.

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A lot less injuries during Warburton reign when we played more youngsters and had a younger squad. Experience is essential over reliance on both has it's costs

 

[Captain Sinister]

I might be wrong wasnt Billy and staff accused some time back for the harsh training routine that resulted in some injuries?

You are right.
But then again there was a Forest Reasons for Injury Bingo:
It was Billy;
It was the training pitch being too hard;
It was because the players weren't fit enough;
It was because the coaches were so demanding;
It was because our acquisition process was so bad (Christ, we almost shelled out for a blind winger, it was only when someone tripped over his guide dog we realised);
It was because the Forest playing surface was over-watered and slippy;
It was because the players were wearing blades;
It was because the Forest players wore short studs;
It was because the grass was too long;
It was because the grass was too short;
It was because (Ed: you're fired)

 

[Rzar]

It would seem the men in charge are concerned by it, we were linked with the Greek national team & former Oly physio Nikos Koulopoulos yesterday.

So many injuries occur in the modern game due to the speed it's played at, lots of short burst sprints combined with twisting and turning, puts massive loads on the body's joints hence why knee and achilles injuries are more to the fore now.

Tendon and ligament damage take a lot longer to heal than a broken bone and result in the player never returning to the same level of fitness they had before the injury.

From then onwards players have to be managed medically far better, but in the heat of battle it's so difficult to remember to do the things that stop injuries reoccurring.

Chris Cohen said that he had to change his style of play to alleviate the stresses he was putting on his body after his last but one bad injury, but in the end, when caught up in the heat of the moment, he couldn't, resulting in his career coming to an end.

When Roy Keane arrived he said in his first interview that the club needed a "bit of luck". That's what it boils down to with injuries, both individually and throughout the team.

You can have the best manager, players, medical facilities and structure, but without luck the team will achieve f*** all.

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Good post. It is completely down to luck.

I think it's also worth noting if a player had a bad injury a while ago that was pretty much their career over. Now, with medical technology they come back and play through the pain/injury and naturally become more injury prone. Look at Britt, 30 years ago he was done. This probably naturally produces more injury prone players.