How much to exit the embargo?

[Kelvin's Local]

Say for example we sell Lansbury for £5m and Antonio for £7m, shouldn't we be getting pretty close to the exit figure? We've lost Mackie's £25k or so per week, released loads more in Collins, Lars, Halford and Harding which will be around £50k per week too. Surely we're not miles off coming out of this thing? The wages save £4m, transfer fees £12m and we lost £22m.

We're allowed to lose £8m, the numbers comfortably have us inside the figures required....

 

[RedTe]

We won't get £12m in transfer fees.

 

[Kelvin's Local]

We won't get £12m in transfer fees.

We've rejected £10m for the pair.

 

[gamble]

If we are on to get out by next summer surely s 10-12 mill influx has to get us out?

 

[Hermz]

 

[Pugwash]

How much is the memorabilia in the trophy room worth?

 

[cms186]

We cant exit the transfer embargo this season, the embargo is a punishment for previous years finances, we (according to Dougie) are already on track to come out of it for the start of next years transfer window

 

[Jah]

Sorry to sound daft, but then what?

Out of the embargo so we can tempt some journeyman in search of his 30k per week to sit on the bench for us?

This embargo is saving us from ourselves. I hope we can learn something from it!

 

[Hermz]

Sorry to sound daft, but then what?

Out of the embargo so we can tempt some journeyman in search of his 30k per week to sit on the bench for us?

This embargo is saving us from ourselves. I hope we can learn something from it!

I take your point, but it doesn't mean we can't invest sensibly.

 

[Kelvin's Local]

Impossible to replace Lansbury or Antonio without spending anything. Hopefully this will have taught restraint, although with Fawaz I doubt he's learned a thing.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

If selling Antonio gets us out of embargo for next season then we should do it. We're not going to get any more value out of him as he's currently playing at his peak level for this club. If we keep him, we might finish 10th instead of 16th.

As long as we don't get relegated, which provided we can bring in a loan striker and centre midfielder we should avoid, then it makes sense to sell to give us more flexibility in the market in summer. We have an unbalanced squad which is for the most part overpaid. We need to start bringing in players who's careers are on an upward trajectory and with a point to prove, rather than Premier League rejects.

Osborn is a decent enough replacement for Antonio given our ambitions this season. What we're really lacking at the moment is a striker anyway.

 

[SLM92NF]

We haven't seen the accounts for the past 3 or 4 years so it's difficult to determine.

For me the figures mentioned/speculated are pie in the sky, absolute nonsense. If we generate £12m from the sale of Lansbury and Antonio... If there's even a remote chance then what the hell are they still doing here? That's crazy money for what they are worth.

DF has claimed we will be out of embargo by the end of the season but I don't believe that for a second. £22m trading losses reduced down to under £8m is unlikely, isn't the intention to reduce that loss limit to £3m for this years ruling?

There is this unbelievable desire to get in line with FFP but I fail to understand why. Let's say we sell some key players generate an insane amount of money and can go out and sign who we like, what happens then? We go out and sign players and fall back into embargo or the alternative we don't replace them at all and make further cuts to ensure we can still keep in the rules without the hefty transfer fee revenue.

Selling key players is a very, very short term view where this is concerned. It has no benefit to the club in the slightest IMO. What I can't understand is why the club is not out there fighting against these bullshit rules after the whole thing with QPR!

 

[Alexandro Garibaldi]

It's not just a case of raising the money to offset the losses. We have to file a new set of accounts to prove that's what's happening (as Leeds did). Can you really see Nottingham Forest Fawaz Club getting their arses in gear to sort that out before September 1 (which I assume is what you're hoping will happen)? We can't even pay the catering bill on time, let alone produce a year's accounts in a matter of days.

 

[Strummer]

It's not just a case of raising the money to offset the losses. We have to file a set of accounts to prove that's what's happening. Can you really see Nottingham Forest Fawaz Club getting their arses in gear to sort that out before September 1 (which I assume is what you're hoping will happen)?

Never. In. A. Million. Years.

 

[EmmersonForest4]

We are under already but have to wait to file off the accounts which will be next summer. Thats why there is no point selling because it litterely offers no advantage to us. What's brought us below is saving a shit load on wages and the fact we haven't spent any money on transfer fees, also the amount of losses you are allowed to incur are increasing.

 

[Oliver]

Perhaps this is the reason we have bought in this ex FA fella as a part time consultant. He will most probably never have a full time role at the club.

 

[Alexandro Garibaldi]

We are under already but have to wait to file off the accounts which will be next summer.

FFP accounts for the previous season are filed in November. Clubs under embargo can file accounts early to demonstrate that they are now complying with the regulations, as Leeds did.

 

[Fawazzock]

There is the point that on the grandest scheme of things, buying Antonio and Lansbury for £2.5m and selling for treble (or whatever it would be) is good business.

In fact, even though fawaz is a nutter/knob, his big purchases have been good investments so far.

 

[bgd]

Sorry to sound daft, but then what?

Out of the embargo so we can tempt some journeyman in search of his 30k per week to sit on the bench for us?

This embargo is saving us from ourselves. I hope we can learn something from it!

Very much this.

I don't buy into the idea that Fawaz's purchases have been good business. A few have been, a lot have been absolutely tragic. It's not just about fees, wages are often the biggest cost. For example, the likes of Abdoun, Mackie & Djebbour were seemingly on crazy money, 20k+ pw possibly. We had to pay two of those off, give the other away, then pay off people like Majewski...

His lack of nous/experience/business acumen in the footballing world is a large reason why we're in the position we're in. People can say that each manager is responsible too, yes they are in part. But the man running the show takes the brunt.

I've said it a thousand times, but his desire to succeed and passion is unquestionable. But he so clearly lacks any kind of structured plan or experience. It seems to be as simple as back each manager as much as possible, which is admirable, but makes for the train wreck that we are.

The clubs who achieve consistent and pro-longed success have a structure. They recognise the importance of hiring managers of similar styles for instance, so they never want to completely overhaul the squad. They often sign young, hungry players who maybe didn't cut it in a good academy, or lower league lads who have been ignored. They also often sign players whose value will be greater in the future, so when bigger club inevitably come calling, they make big money and can reinvest.

It might seem very simplistic and obvious to us, but overtime, you would see a club that doesn't have huge costs when a manager goes/comes in, has players who often are playing to prove themselves as opposed to mercenaries and also to help keep the club well funded, they sell players on for good profits. Whilst that is all happening, you've got a positive environment, players want to join you, result seem to follow and over time you become reasonably successful.

What we have is throwing good money after bad at problems, because our owner thinks that how simple it is, and if the current manager doesn't do it, the next one will, with even more money.

It's a tragic viscous circle and aside from striking it lucky somehow, I don't see it ending. No matter who the manager is.

 

[Arthur's Cape]

Don't know the rules but we may be able to submit periodical management accounts to the FA to show them we are heading in the right direction, also what I have not seen mentioned is the figures quoted from the accounts show the revenue generated from the Darlow and Lascelles transfers so if that is the case we do not need to bridge the gap from 23 to 8 just since the embargo came into force.

 

[Strummer]

Don't know the rules but we may be able to submit periodical management accounts to the FA to show them we are heading in the right direction,.

Is this not what Leeds have done?

 

[Munich79]

We were embargoed for making losses over £8m I believe, then it was extended for late payments, now teams are allowed to make £13m losses, which means we would be compliant by next summer as the limit has been raised? (As well as the likes of Mackie etc going) no matter what, the earliest we can come out of it is next summer, which should be inevitable (all statements taken from the top of my head, apologies if this is incorrect)

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

If we hold onto our key players then we can't bring in any new players apart from cast-offs and loans. We can't act freely to sign players who could actually rise in value playing for the club and then sell them off at profit.

We then lose our key players for a free at the end of their contract.

The embargo is killing is. We need the ability to be able sign young players from lower league teams with a promising future. This will cost us money, but not as much as buying from our league or the league above. The wages will be less. The players will have a point to prove and will want to join us because we as Nottingham Forest offer young promising players 90 minutes.

We can't do this until we get out of the embargo. Selling Antonio gets us out of the embargo. If we can get out the embargo we can sign another Antonio anyway.

The post above that said selling Antonio is short-termist doesn't realise he himself is the short-termist. Selling our stars isn't what we want to do, but it's pragmatic and enables to operate on a favourable platform in the future and reshape the club.

Sell sell sell.

 

[RedEd]

What I can't understand is why the club is not out there fighting against these bullshit rules after the whole thing with QPR!

I wish Fawaz would get some good lawyers on to it, as a lot of other clubs are getting away with what they like. QPR wangled something

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

With our young crop now is the time to do it, as we already have players which can step up and help fill voids. Yes we willbe weaker, no we won't be as weak as to be relegated.

If Dougie can keep landing signingslike Mills & Ward overcoming years whilst we do it to we'll be sound.