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Grand plan

Fawazzock

Fawazzock

Jack Burkitt
Responding to your suggested manifesto:


Hire a Director of Football
Broadening that out to any expansion of the executive team, he cleared the lot out, then eventually hired Paul Faulkner which ended badly, now we're got the new advisor which seems like a step in the right direction. The question is whether Fawaz is capable of collaboration.

Release a Statement to The Fans
He does this all the time

Ignore the Fans
Never

Listen (and speak) to The Director of Football
Wouldn't bet my balls on it

Bring in Coaches
Managers decision to a significant extent

Begin a Scouting Network
We've done that, particularly in Greece and Turkey. But also tangibly Netherlands and Spain.

Be Patient
He's still here. But yes, we do seem to have gone through a lot of managers and club legends.
 
Player-12

Player-12

First Team Squad
Giuseppe Gariboldi said:
Responding to your suggested manifesto:


Hire a Director of Football
Broadening that out to any expansion of the executive team, he cleared the lot out, then eventually hired Paul Faulkner which ended badly, now we're got the new advisor which seems like a step in the right direction. The question is whether Fawaz is capable of collaboration.

Release a Statement to The Fans
He does this all the time

Ignore the Fans
Never

Listen (and speak) to The Director of Football
Wouldn't bet my balls on it

Bring in Coaches
Managers decision to a significant extent

Begin a Scouting Network
We've done that, particularly in Greece and Turkey. But also tangibly Netherlands and Spain.

Be Patient
He's still here. But yes, we do seem to have gone through a lot of managers and club legends.
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Thanks for reading. About the coaches. Normally a manager wants to bring in one or two familiar faces, but a lot of the coaching team remains permenant. Especially the academy coaches.
 
Johnny Bravo

Johnny Bravo

Jack Armstrong
All clubs who have seemingly punched above their weight and have done well in the last 10 or so years have for the most part had something we haven't had for a long while. A philosophy.

Swansea are the best example, their transfers are managed by a group of people not just a lunatic with a blank chequebook. The new managers are selected to fit in with the style of play and the squad so an overhaul isn't needed each time a new man is hired and they give their players and managers time and don't just chuck them on the scrapheap.

We have no plan as a club and no vision for the future, we mostly chuck money at problems which we can't even do now because of the um bongo.

Despite the majority of fans on Twitter seemingly loving Fawaz we are seeing attendances drop, unrest in the squad and there seems to be no good times ahead. All of this in the supposed celebratory year which we have so far celebrated with a bit of gold stitching and a game against Swansea and Villa.
 
Alf-engelos Mindminackers

Alf-engelos Mindminackers

The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
Overall I think it's a good shout.

Although the simple truth is that football clubs, organizastion, countries, armies, etc. who all do well and have done historically do so because they've the right lad/lads in charge.

There's no magic formula, there's just vision/intelligence/tolerance/effort/adaptability/etc. which some dudes have, others haven't and which makes them and their chosen focus successful.

Find the right people, put them in the right positions at the club, be forgiving at a 7/10 ratio and the rest will take care of itself.

Plans are good, but having the right men here means we're far more flexible to adapt too.

But it is a fair plan.
 
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Player-12

Player-12

First Team Squad
Johnny Bravo said:
All clubs who have seemingly punched above their weight and have done well in the last 10 or so years have for the most part had something we haven't had for a long while. A philosophy.

Swansea are the best example, their transfers are managed by a group of people not just a lunatic with a blank chequebook. The new managers are selected to fit in with the style of play and the squad so an overhaul isn't needed each time a new man is hired and they give their players and managers time and don't just chuck them on the scrapheap.

We have no plan as a club and no vision for the future, we mostly chuck money at problems which we can't even do now because of the um bongo.

Despite the majority of fans on Twitter seemingly loving Fawaz we are seeing attendances drop, unrest in the squad and there seems to be no good times ahead. All of this in the supposed celebratory year which we have so far celebrated with a bit of gold stitching and a game against Swansea and Villa.
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This is exactly it, and while I know it's a longshot Im trying to make a difference and have fawaz see this is what fans want. He's on Twitter as we all know, Hopefully he will see this.
 
Player-12

Player-12

First Team Squad
Alf-Hasawi said:
Overall I think it's a good shout.

Although the simple truth is that football clubs, organizastion, countries, armies, etc. who all do well and have done historically do so because they've the right lad/lads in charge.

There's no magic formula, there's just vision/intelligence/tolerance/effort/adaptability/etc. which some dudes have, others haven't and which makes them and their chosen focus successful.

Find the right people, put them in the right positions at the club, be forgiving at a 7/10 ratio and the rest will take care of itself.

Plans are good, but having the right men here means we're far more flexible to adapt too.

But it is a fair plan.
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Thanks for reading Alf, 90% of theplan is getting the right people in the right places :LOL:
 
Alf-engelos Mindminackers

Alf-engelos Mindminackers

The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
Red Sox said:
Thanks for reading Alf, 90% of theplan is getting the right people in the right places :LOL:
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:LOL: Which is why it's good :LOL:

My point was I'd like to see us build from the top down. Yep get those folk in place, but do so under someone with talent, dedication and tolerance.

Essentially a Paul Faulkner type and not a Mark Arthur.
 
GuildfordRed

GuildfordRed

First Team Squad
Well seeing as Faulkner bit the dust, surely the only way of getting this structure is by not having Fawaz as the chairman then? (as I doubt he'd undertake a plan such as this)
 
Redemption

Redemption

Chief Eye Roller
Well intentioned, but what do you think is actually going to happen with this?
 
Alf-engelos Mindminackers

Alf-engelos Mindminackers

The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
Danny Apathy said:
Can someone working part-time (and I presume restrictions on having certain responsibilities) undertake such a transformation?
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Yep. 100%.

Effort doesn't equate to results. If he's got the ability, knowledge, contacts, focus and talent hours worked is irrelevant. Ian Woan didn't exactly graft, yet won many matches for us. Slash was a lazy, pissing his pants junkie who wrote riffs such as Sweet Child O Mine, Welcome t' Jungle and Paradise City. Results count, not effort and a general's role is that of a stratergist & intelligence fulcrum, not a worker.
 
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Player-12

Player-12

First Team Squad
psychoDrama said:
Well intentioned, but what do you think is actually going to happen with this?
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Think?.... well nothing

Hope! well i hope that enough fans see it, and put pressure on fawaz to implement it. We all know hes a sucker for twitter, But im not an idiot, i know its likely this will never work. Im just a hopeless romantic thinking "might as well try"
 
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UndisclosedFee

Guest
Red Sox said:
I made this https://nottmforestsgrandplan.wordpress.com/. You may or may not agree, if you do then maybe you could help me get it into the fans eyes. Then maybe one day someone important will take note and something may happen.

If you're too lazy to read, then its about Forest not having a plan longer than any one manager.

Constructive critism needed.


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I made a twitter https://twitter.com/Forestgrandplan
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Red Sox - I read it all and agree with all of it. Sums up many of the things I have been saying for some time, but was too lazy to do anything about. However, I believe that you should remove Dougie's name from it. As a 'mission statement' type plan, it shouldn't refer to individuals, particularly with veiled belief that it isn't the style we want, and even more particularly because over the last 2 games, Dougie has seemingly made efforts towards getting us to play in a style that fits. The section should stay (IMO), but refer only in general terms to ALL managers.
 
GuildfordRed

GuildfordRed

First Team Squad
Alf-Hasawi said:
Yep. 100%.

Effort doesn't equate to results. If he's got the ability, knowledge, contacts, focus and talent hours worked is irrelevant. Ian Woan didn't exactly graft, yet won many matches for us. Slash was a lazy, pissing his pants junkie who wrote riffs such as Sweet Child O Mine, Welcome t' Jungle and Paradise City. Results count, not effort and a general's role is that of a stratergist & intelligence fulcrum, not a worker.
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Could you tell me if Swansea or Southamptons 'chiefs of transformation' worked on a part time basis? Do we have past evidence or examples such as our situation have worked? Especially when the string puller is someone who doesnt have the best record of patience and openness to change?

And personally although I get your point and I admire your optimism, I don't really see how your comparisons hold any sway. Bottom line is that a full time team of well-briefed officials operating as one in a co-ordinated and intelligent but pragmatic way would produce the best results in my opinion - not neccessarily just throwing stuff at a board and hoping that it sticks as 'excellence' or as a 'result'.
 
Player-12

Player-12

First Team Squad
UndisclosedFee said:
Red Sox - I read it all and agree with all of it. Sums up many of the things I have been saying for some time, but was too lazy to do anything about. However, I believe that you should remove Dougie's name from it. As a 'mission statement' type plan, it shouldn't refer to individuals, particularly with veiled belief that it isn't the style we want, and even more particularly because over the last 2 games, Dougie has seemingly made efforts towards getting us to play in a style that fits. The section should stay (IMO), but refer only in general terms to ALL managers.
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Thanks, I believe you are right. Ill change it. Im actually a huge Dougie fan and want us to stick with him. Thanks for your advice
 
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NFFCForMe

A. Trialist
Red Sox said:
I made this https://nottmforestsgrandplan.wordpress.com/. You may or may not agree, if you do then maybe you could help me get it into the fans eyes. Then maybe one day someone important will take note and something may happen.

If you're too lazy to read, then its about Forest not having a plan longer than any one manager.

Constructive critism needed.


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I made a twitter https://twitter.com/Forestgrandplan
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Enjoyed reading it. Like the idea of getting your ideas down on paper and putting them out there for people to see.

However, ignoring the fans I would remove. In terms of club decision making on transfers and managers then yes it should be up to those at the club. But fans need to be involved in the club, as we are currently trying with the FaceOfForest and Old club shirts in the programme etc.

Also, in fewer words, you basically say lets do a Swansea or Southampton. It's the same as "Let's become a really good club". Its' much easier said than done, although I accept you're attempting to do it with your Grand Plan.

It focuses a lot on the Director of Football thing. But what happens if we get a DoF and we don't see results after a year or two? Do we sack him and find new one? We would end up in a merry go, the same with the managers.

As I said though, I enjoy reading it and agree with the majority of it. Personally though, I'm okay with how Dougie is coping with the transfer window speculation and the embargo. We all expected an average season, which is fine by me to settle down this mess.
 
Alf-engelos Mindminackers

Alf-engelos Mindminackers

The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
Danny Apathy said:
Could you tell me if Swansea or Southamptons 'chiefs of transformation' worked on a part time basis? Do we have past evidence or examples such as our situation have worked? Especially when the string puller is someone who doesnt have the best record of patience and openness to change?

And personally although I get your point and I admire your optimism, I don't really see how your comparisons hold any sway. Bottom line is that a full time team of well-briefed officials operating as one in a co-ordinated and intelligent but pragmatic way would produce the best results in my opinion - not neccessarily just throwing stuff at a board and hoping that it sticks as 'excellence' or as a 'result'.
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All that matters in such a position is making the right decisions, hours put in to that is irrelevant.

Evidence exists throughout thousands of years of history. Von Hammerstein-Equord, someone who as a German general had the intelligence to foresee Nazi failure and oppose it, thought fit to lead "because he possesses the intellectual clarity and the composure necessary for difficult decisions."

These folk delegate and trust people to do their jobs. They don't micromanage; they question. They avoid unproductive things (think meetings, paper shuffling, busy work). They don't seek consensus because often that means more work, not less. They focus on a few key priorities. They don't run around with solutions looking for problems.

I'm not saying he will, but I am saying writing him off because of his working hoursalone is wrong. It's like saying Marradonna was crap because he didn't cover as much ground as Byran Robson.
 
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