Forest Early History - sponsored by I‘m Red Till Dead

[valspoodle]

That was the quarter final of the FA Cup. Forest won 2-1.

It was the second of three rounds of the cup that Forest played at the Kennington Oval that season.

Jan 28th v the Old Harrovians 2-0 to Forest.
Feb 25th v Oxford Uni (QF) 2-1 to Forest.
Mar 22nd v the Old Etonians (SF) 2-1 to the Old Etonians.

That was an interesting year for the FA Cup because, as the Official History of the FA Cup notes, "For the first time, northern clubs began to make their presence felt and, among them, Nottingham Forest reached the semi-final". Another northern club mentioned (I suppose Forest are considered northern by London centric reporters) is Darwin, who reached the fourth round to play against the eventual winners, Old Etonians, but lost in three games and were so hard up they had to rely on subscriptions raised in the town to travel to the games at the Oval; £175 to which the FA contributed £10 and Old Etonians £5. I can't see that happening these days!

 

[I'm Red Till Dead]

That was an interesting year for the FA Cup because, as the Official History of the FA Cup notes, "For the first time, northern clubs began to make their presence felt and, among them, Nottingham Forest reached the semi-final". Another northern club mentioned (I suppose Forest are considered northern by London centric reporters) is Darwin, who reached the fourth round to play against the eventual winners, Old Etonians, but lost in three games and were so hard up they had to rely on subscriptions raised in the town to travel to the games at the Oval; £175 to which the FA contributed £10 and Old Etonians £5. I can't see that happening these days!

I think in the earliest days of the FA Cup the early rounds were regionalised. Forest's first two opponents that season were their old adversaries Notts (3-1 to Forest away) and Sheffield FC (2-0 to Forest at home).

 

[Redemption]

Saw this twitter account, don't know if it's @I'm Red Till Dead or related to this thread but on the same theme

https://twitter.com/ForestPresSoc?t=rxnX2okTj8c1JGX9u0PO2A&s=09

 

[I'm Red Till Dead]

Saw this twitter account, don't know if it's @I'm Red Till Dead or related to this thread but on the same theme

https://twitter.com/ForestPresSoc?t=rxnX2okTj8c1JGX9u0PO2A&s=09

Not me. I do have a Twitter account but I hardly ever use it.

 

[I'm Red Till Dead]

I don't know if this is of interest to anyone, but Max Media Publishing have put out a 2023 wall calendar with pictures of people from across Forest's past; one per month.

The images are from the Charles Buchan's Collection. There are pictures of the following:

Frank Forman, Grenville Morris, Enoch West, Sam Hardy, Wally Ardron, Tommy Graham, Jack Burkitt, Joe Baker, Ian Moore, John Robertson, Stan Collymore and Brian Clough.

The full size of the Calendar is 43 x 33cm. The pictures are just shy of A4 (approx 7.5mm less wide and 20mm less long). There is space to make a note against each day of the month.

If anyone is interested take a look here. They sell at £11.99.

If my tablet charges I'll take a picture of the January page so you can see the layout. It won't be till much later in the day though.

Ok not the greatest picture but you'll get the idea from it.

 

[valspoodle]

I don't know if this is of interest to anyone, but Max Media Publishing have put out a 2023 wall calendar with pictures of people from across Forest's past; one per month.

The images are from the Charles Buchan's Collection. There are pictures of the following:

Frank Forman, Grenville Morris, Enoch West, Sam Hardy, Wally Ardron, Tommy Graham, Jack Burkitt, Joe Baker, Ian Moore, John Robertson, Stan Collymore and Brian Clough.

The full size of the Calendar is 43 x 33cm. The pictures are just shy of A4 (approx 7.5mm less wide and 20mm less long). There is space to make a note against each day of the month.

If anyone is interested take a look here. They sell at £11.99.

If my tablet charges I'll take a picture of the January page so you can see the layout. It won't be till much later in the day though

Thanks very much. After several years of giving me a calendar with specially selected family photos, the girls changed tactics this year. Result; because I didn't buy a calendar whilst expecting theirs to arrive, I didn't have a calendar for this year, so I ordered this one. It will do me nicely. Thanks again.

 

[I'm Red Till Dead]

I don't know if this is of interest to anyone, but Max Media Publishing have put out a 2023 wall calendar with pictures of people from across Forest's past; one per month.

The images are from the Charles Buchan's Collection. There are pictures of the following:

Frank Forman, Grenville Morris, Enoch West, Sam Hardy, Wally Ardron, Tommy Graham, Jack Burkitt, Joe Baker, Ian Moore, John Robertson, Stan Collymore and Brian Clough.

The full size of the Calendar is 43 x 33cm. The pictures are just shy of A4 (approx 7.5mm less wide and 20mm less long). There is space to make a note against each day of the month.

If anyone is interested take a look here. They sell at £11.99.

If my tablet charges I'll take a picture of the January page so you can see the layout. It won't be till much later in the day though.

Ok not the greatest picture but you'll get the idea from it.


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Added a picture of the January page to the post above so you get a better idea of the layout.

Sorry about the quality of the picture but I have had a mare getting anything. Anyway there's enough to get an idea of the page layout

 

[I'm Red Till Dead]

Following on from some postings (shown below) on the Dane Murphy thread about the 1997 takeover and alternatives to the Nigel Wray bid)

Anderson was talking of possibly trying to bring in Jurgen Klinsmann and Jordan Letchkov if they got the nod for the takeover.

Fawazesque.

I though Cloughie1975 would find this hilarious

(Nottingham Evening Post, Tuesday, November 26, 1996)

£13m to rescue the Reds

Sandy’s pledge to fund Forest relegation fight​

MILLIONAIRE Sandy Anderson Sandy Anderson leader of the locally-based consortium chosen to take over Nottingham Forest today promised there is £13m ready to help save the club from relegation.

Mr Anderson and three colleagues have been nominated by the club’s board of directors as their preferred bidders beating the rival bid from Monte Carlo-based millionaire Lawrie Lewis and Nottingham-born author Phil Soar.

The four-man group of leading local businessmen must now wait until shortly before Christmas when their proposals will be officially put to the club’s 209 shareholders at an Extraordinary General Meeting where they will need a 70 majority to take control.

The meeting is expected to take place on or before December 23 and Mr Anderson said: “The money is in place and Forest could have it tomorrow. Now it’s just a case of persuading the shareholders that we are the right people to take the club forward.”

There are no immediate financial incentives being offered to the shareholders, but Mr Anderson hopes that will not prove a stumbling block and stressed that providing the finances to enhance the team’s chances of avoiding relegation was most important.

“Getting Forest out of the mess they’re in is more important,” he said. “Right now we’re in the situation where we have to make the right decision on signing the right players. That is our main priority.”

Scottish-born Anderson, 41 is joined by Newark-born merchant banker Nigel Doughty, Charlie Scott from London-based advertising giant Cordiant and shareholder Tim Farr, whose family were owners of Home Brewery.

His decision to enter the race came as a result of Forest’s advert placed in the Financial Times inviting bidders and Mr Doughty put him in touch with other interested parties. He feels that wealth of business experience unity and genuine feel for the club makes them the perfect candidates.

“We’re all supporters. We want to do something to help. We have some of the best business acumen and yet we all live local, with a strong sense of allegiance to Nottingham Forest,” he said.

Mr Anderson left the door open for further investors to join the four-man group and said he would welcome a call from the group Madness who have expressed an interest in pumping in some money.

“We’re going to go away now and put in more hard work attracting more people into the consortium and use our contacts in the city,” he added .


Unfortunately Madness had just finished the Two tone tour earlier in the month and had gone to the States on a solo tour so would have missed his his request for them to call him.

 

[Redemption]

"Newark-born merchant banker"

That should become a gold-standard put down.

 

[Cloughie1975]

Following on from some postings (shown below) on the Dane Murphy thread about the 1997 takeover and alternatives to the Nigel Wray bid)





I though Cloughie1975 would find this hilarious

(Nottingham Evening Post, Tuesday, November 26, 1996)

£13m to rescue the Reds

Sandy’s pledge to fund Forest relegation fight​

MILLIONAIRE Sandy Anderson Sandy Anderson leader of the locally-based consortium chosen to take over Nottingham Forest today promised there is £13m ready to help save the club from relegation.

Mr Anderson and three colleagues have been nominated by the club’s board of directors as their preferred bidders beating the rival bid from Monte Carlo-based millionaire Lawrie Lewis and Nottingham-born author Phil Soar.

The four-man group of leading local businessmen must now wait until shortly before Christmas when their proposals will be officially put to the club’s 209 shareholders at an Extraordinary General Meeting where they will need a 70 majority to take control.

The meeting is expected to take place on or before December 23 and Mr Anderson said: “The money is in place and Forest could have it tomorrow. Now it’s just a case of persuading the shareholders that we are the right people to take the club forward.”

There are no immediate financial incentives being offered to the shareholders, but Mr Anderson hopes that will not prove a stumbling block and stressed that providing the finances to enhance the team’s chances of avoiding relegation was most important.

“Getting Forest out of the mess they’re in is more important,” he said. “Right now we’re in the situation where we have to make the right decision on signing the right players. That is our main priority.”

Scottish-born Anderson, 41 is joined by Newark-born merchant banker Nigel Doughty, Charlie Scott from London-based advertising giant Cordiant and shareholder Tim Farr, whose family were owners of Home Brewery.

His decision to enter the race came as a result of Forest’s advert placed in the Financial Times inviting bidders and Mr Doughty put him in touch with other interested parties. He feels that wealth of business experience unity and genuine feel for the club makes them the perfect candidates.

“We’re all supporters. We want to do something to help. We have some of the best business acumen and yet we all live local, with a strong sense of allegiance to Nottingham Forest,” he said.

Mr Anderson left the door open for further investors to join the four-man group and said he would welcome a call from the group Madness who have expressed an interest in pumping in some money.

“We’re going to go away now and put in more hard work attracting more people into the consortium and use our contacts in the city,” he added .


Unfortunately Madness had just finished the Two tone tour earlier in the month and had gone to the States on a solo tour so would have missed his his request for them to call him.

It certainly sounds like Madness-shortly before our head scout Ian Storey-Moore was out looking for talent
at top European Cup games!

 

[I'm Red Till Dead]

I can't be bothered raising a new thread for this but Stuart Pearce's history is part of our history even if it happened before he came to the City Ground. I just came across his tale of Yak Jensen when I was doing a search. I must admit I hadn't heard the story before althogh TalkSport covert it too in 2018.

Yak Jensen (Rush Goalkeeper)

 

[Redemption]

I'm sure this has been on the thread before, but the first game for a rebuilt Main Stand after the fire after the fire

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1629015703637356545

edit: amazing what you miss - after @Cloughie1975 comment below, i realised the image is the carcass of the stand after the fire.

 

[Cloughie1975]

I'm sure this has been on the thread before, but the first game for a rebuilt Main Stand after the fire

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1629015703637356545

I remember going to this game with my Dad.
It was strange seeing the Main Stand closed as it was still being rebuilt after the fire-I suppose we
might have to (cough) get used to that again soon.
I can’t quite recall when it was officially reopened-sometime in 1969,I think.

 

[I'm Red Till Dead]

We are the Champions!

First Division Champions 1997-8

Did they order teams on the same points by goals scored rather than goal difference that season? Birmingham missed out on the playoffs to Sheffield United despite having a better goal difference and goal average. Sheffield United had scored 9 more goals.

 

[Morpeth]

We are the Champions!

First Division Champions 1997-8

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Did they order teams on the same points by goals scored rather than goal difference that season? Birmingham missed out on the playoffs to Sheffield United despite having a better goal difference and goal average. Sheffield United had scored 9 more goals.

Yes, until 2002-03, although i've no recollection of that at all!

 

[Strummer]

We are the Champions!

First Division Champions 1997-8

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Did they order teams on the same points by goals scored rather than goal difference that season? Birmingham missed out on the playoffs to Sheffield United despite having a better goal difference and goal average. Sheffield United had scored 9 more goals.

Some club called Manchester City going down to the third tier.

Wonder what ever happened to them?

 

[I'm Red Till Dead]

Yes, until 2002-03, although i've no recollection of that at all!

I must admit that I don't remember goals scored being the first of the sorting factors. I was pretty sure that goal difference came in in the 1970's to replace goal average as the primary sort on the positioning of teams on equal points. Looking up goal difference in wikipedia it says that the EFL used goals scored as the primary decider for positions of teams on the same point between 1992 and 1999, reverting to goal difference at the start of the 1999-2000 season. The 1990's was my equivalent of the 1960's 'If I remembered it it probably didn't happen' I was so busy.

 

[football post]

A prized possession from the early 90s.
(Full address removed to avoid pilgrimages)

 

[Otis Redding]

A prized possession from the early 90s.
(Full address removed to avoid pilgrimages)
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Do you know if he's still around FP?

 

[football post]

Do you know if he's still around FP?

Sits in the Lower Clough between half way and the Bridgford Otis,right at the front. Nearly always in a wheelchair these days.

 

[Rockabilly]

Sits in the Lower Clough between half way and the Bridgford Otis,right at the front. Nearly always in a wheelchair these days.

Aye... I always see his flags placed at all home and away games.

 

[Otis Redding]

Sits in the Lower Clough between half way and the Bridgford Otis,right at the front. Nearly always in a wheelchair these days.

That's good to know FP. I've never encountered the bloke, but a mixed reputation seems to precede him. Credit to him for his loyalty though.

 

[Barry]

I was told to stay away as he smells like a sweaty ball bag.... not sure how true it is.

Hes been at every away game I've ever been to so can't fault him for that

Sent from my SM-A217F using Tapatalk

 

[I'm Red Till Dead]

Kjetil Osvold's Cat has done some research on season player ratings for the seasons 1976/7 to 1993/4 that appeared in the People Sunday newspapers. Included in the details are then current Forest players, plus a number who had played for us or would in later seasons. Only players mentionedi n the reports are included (except John McGovern who had been in listings close to the 1977/8 season end but not in the final table - possibly affected by some injuries he had near the end of the season. I added John to note his 3rd place standing in that years Football Writers Awards ).

Rankings relate to the division they play in and only a top 20 ranking figure is shown.

The figures for 1981/2 represent the latest fornd for that season. The final standings couldn't be found.

The figures for 1993/4 are from mid season as they were the last he could find for that season.

I reorganised it into a table which hopefully makes it easier to pick out information. Hopefully I have copied ihis data accurately.

Because of the length of the table it will stretch over two posts.

Season	Player	Division	Rating	Top 20 Rankings / Notes	Ex/Future Players team
1976/77	Tony Woodcock	2nd Division	7.45​	3rd
	Martin O'Neill	2nd Division	7.11​	9th
	Ian Bowyer	2nd Division	6.93​	19th
	Trevor Francis	1st Division	7.38​	5th	Birmingham
	Archie Gemmill	1st Division	7.35​	6th	Derby
	Peter Shilton	1st Division	7.25​	13th (joint) - Top rated keeper	Stoke
	Asa Hartford	1st Division	7.15​		Man City
	Colin Todd	1st Division	7.10​		Derby
	Stan Bowles	1st Division	7.06​		QPR
1977/78	John Robertson	1st Division	7.42​	2nd - Top rated forward
	Kenny Burns	1st Division	7.34​	8th (FWA Player of the Year - England)
	Tony Woodcock	1st Division	7.22​	12th (PFA Young Player of the Year)
	Archie Gemmill	1st Division	7.20​	13th (joint) (Joint Runner-up the in PFA and runner-up in the FWA Player of the Year Awards - England)
	Peter Shilton	1st Division	7.14​	17th (PFA player of the Year)
	Viv Anderson	1st Division	7.10​	20th
	David Needham	1st Division	7.05​
	Peter Withe	1st Division	6.95​
	John McGovern	1st Division	-	(3rd place FWA Player of the Year - England)
	Trevor Francis	1st Division	7.40​	3rd (joint)	Birmingham
	Asa Hartford	1st Division	7.20​	13th (joint)	Man City
	Ian Wallace	1st Division	7.12​	18th (joint)	Coventry
1978/79	Peter Shilton	1st Division	7.29​	7th (joint) - Top-rated keeper
	Kenny Burns	1st Division	7.00​
	Garry Birtles	1st Division	6.98​
	John Robertson	1st Division	6.94​
	Colin Todd	1st Division	7.12​	16th	Everton
1979/80	Garry Birtles	1st Division	7.18​	6th (joint) - Top-rated forward
	Trevor Francis	1st Division	7.17​	8th
	Kenny Burns	1st Division	7.05​	19th (joint)
	Peter Shilton	1st Division	6.86​
	Larry Lloyd	1st Division	6.80​
	Archie Gemmill	2nd Division	7.25 - Top rating in division		Birmingham
1980/81	Peter Shilton	1st Division	6.96​
	Kenny Burns	1st Division	6.95​
	Frans Thijssen	1st Division	7.18​	Top rated midfielder and top-rated player	Ipswich
	Peter Withe	1st Division	6.96​		Villa
	Terry Curran	2nd Division	6.98​	18th (in division)	Sheffield Wednesday
1981/82 (Last found for season 9 games from the end)	Peter Shilton	1st Division	7.00​	18th (joint)
	Trevor Francis	1st Division	7.33​	5th	Forest (2 games) and Man City
1982/83	Ian Wallace	1st Division	6.66​
	Peter Shilton	1st Division	7.17​	5th - Top-rated keeper	Southampton
	Martin O'Neill	1st Division	6.88​		Norwich
	Asa Hartford	1st Division	6.80​		Man City
	Peter Withe	1st Division	6.79​		Villa
	Chris Woods	1st Division	6.76​		Norwich
	Archie Gemmill	2nd Division	7.28​	Top overall player in the Division	Derby
	John Sheridan	2nd Division	6.85​	17th (in division)	Leeds
1983/84	Viv Anderson	1st Division	6.87​
	Hans van Breukelen	1st Division	6.85​
	Steve Wigley	1st Division	6.84​
	Chris Fairclough	1st Division	6.77​
	Peter Shilton	1st Division	7.11​	5th (joint) Top-rated keeper	Southampton
	Chris Woods	1st Division	7.06​	10th	Norwich
	Tony Woodcock	1st Division	7.00​	12th (joint)	Arsenal
	Peter Withe	1st Division	6.82​		Villa
	Martin O'Neill	1st Division	6.72​		Notts County
	Archie Gemmill	2nd Division	7.00​	9th (joint)	Derby
1984/85	Peter Davenport	1st Division	6.69​
	Peter Shilton	1st Division	6.93​		Southampton
	Kevin Ratcliffe	1st Division	6.80​		Everton
	Chris Woods	1st Division	6.78​		Norwich
	Asa Hartford	1st Division	6.68​		Norwich
	Peter Withe	1st Division	6.53​		Villa
	Danny Wilson	2nd Division	7.33​	Overall top-rated in Division	Brighton
	Neil Webb	2nd Division	7.00​	7th (joint)	Porstmouth
1985/86	Johnny Metgod	1st Division	7.04​	13th
	Neil Webb	1st Division	6.86​
	Nigel Clough	1st Division	6.80​
	Des Walker	1st Division	6.77​
	Franz Carr	1st Division	6.70​	3rd in newcomers list
	Peter Shilton	1st Division	6.75​		Southampton
	Viv Anderson	1st Division	6.65​		Arsenal
	Danny Wilson	2nd Division			Brighton
1986/87	Neil Webb	1st Division	7.04​	8th (joint)
	Des Walker	1st Division	6.90​
	Johnny Metgod	1st Division	6.86​
	Viv Anderson	1st Division	7.07​	6th (joint) - Top-rated defender	Arsenal
	Dave Beasant	1st Division	6.89​	Top-rated keeper	Wimbledon
	Kevin Ratcliffe	1st Division	6.78​		Everton
	Richard Gough	1st Division	6.77​		Tottenham
	Peter Shilton	1st Division	6.75​		Southampton
	Steve Hodge	1st Division	6.66​		Tottenham
	John Sheridan	2nd Division	7.22​	Top rated in division	Leeds
1987/88	Steve Chettle	1st Division	6.57​	5th in newcomers section
	Terry Wilson	1st Division	6.42​	6th in newcomers section
	Nigel Clough	1st Division	7.11​	9th (joint)
	Des Walker	1st Division	7.03​	13th (joint)
	Colin Foster	1st Division	7.00​	16th (joint)
	Neil Webb	1st Division	6.96​	19th
	Stuart Pearce	1st Division	6.92​	20th (joint)
	Steve Sutton	1st Division	6.73​
	Peter Shilton	1st Division	6.74​		Derby
	Dave Beasant	1st Division	6.72​		Wimbledon
	Lee Chapman	1st Division	6.70​		Sheffield Wednesday
	Ian Wright	2nd Division	7.18​	Overall Top rated player in division	Palace

 

[I'm Red Till Dead]

Season	Player	Division	Rating	Top 20 Rankings / Notes	Ex/Future Players team
1988/89	Des Walker	1st Division	7.22​	5th
	Neil Webb	1st Division	7.08​	10th
	Nigel Clough	1st Division	7.00​	14th (joint)
	Stuart Pearce	1st Division	6.95​	20th (joint)
	Steve Hodge	1st Division	6.85​
	Steve Sutton	1st Division	6.70​
	Dean Saunders	1st Division	7.07​	11th	Derby
	Peter Shilton	1st Division	6.88​		Derby
	Hans Segers	1st Division	6.80​		Wimbledon
	Teddy Sheringham	1st Division	6.68​		Milwall
	Kevin Ratcliffe	1st Division	6.66​		Everton
1989/90	Des Walker	1st Division	7.07​	9th
	Stuart Pearce	1st Division	7.05​	10th (joint)
	Steve Hodge	1st Division	6.80​
	Peter Shilton	1st Division	7.25​	Overall Top-rated	Derby
	Dean Saunders	1st Division	7.10​	7th (joint)	Derby
	David Platt	1st Division	6.80​		Villa
	Ian Wright	1st Division	6.80​		Crystal Palace
	Kingsley Black	1st Division	6.66​		Luton
	Colin Calderwood	2nd Division	6.95​	13th in division	Swindon
1990/91	Des Walker	1st Division	7.23​	3rd Joint - Top rated defender
	Stuart Pearce	1st Division	6.94​
	Roy Keane	1st Division	6. 73
	Steve Chettle	1st Division	6.66​
	David Platt	1st Division	7.23​	3rd (joint)	Villa
	Dean Saunders	1st Division	7.12​	7th (joint)	Derby
	Ian Wright	1st Division	7.08​	10th	Crystal Palace
	Peter Shilton	1st Division	6.83​		Derby
	Hans Segers	1st Division	6.75​		Wimbledon
	Lee Chapman	1st Division	6.70​		Leeds
	Geoff Thomas	1st Division	6.62​		Crystal Palace
	Teddy Sheringham	2nd Division	7.08​	3rd joint in Division	Millwall
	John Sheridan	2nd Division	7.03​	6th	Sheffield Wednesday
	Carlton Palmer	2nd Division	7.00​	7th (joint)	Sheffield Wednesday
1991/92	Stuart Pearce	1st Division	7.28​	Top rated defender
	Ian Wright	1st Division	7.12​	11th	Arsenal
	Kevin Campbell	1st Division	7.11​	12th	Arsenal
1992/93	Ian Woan	Premier League	6.94​
	Teddy Sheringham	Premier League	7.28​	6th	Forest (3 games) and Tottenham
	Garry Parker	Premier League	7.04​	16th (joint)	Villa
	Mark Proctor	Premier League	7.04​	16th (joint)	Middlesbrough
	Carlton Palmer	Premier League	6.95​		Sheffield Wednesday
	Hans Segers	Premier League	6.80​		Wimbledon
	Stan Collymore	1st Division (2nd Tier)	7.32​	Overall top-rated in division	Southend
	Andy Cole	1st Division (2nd Tier)	7.32​	2nd	Bristol City and Newcastle
	Colin Calderwood	1st Division (2nd Tier)	6.96​	19th (joint)	Swindon
1993/94 (mid-season only)	Andy Cole	Premier League		12th (joint)	Newcastle
	Stuart Pearce	1st Division (2nd tier)	7.42​	3rd (joint) - Top rated defender
	Stan Collymore	1st Division (2nd tier)	7.42​	3rd (joint)
	David Phillips	1st Division (2nd tier)	7.26​	7th (joint)
	Chris Allen	1st Division (2nd tier)	7.28​	7th (joint)	Oxford
	Toddi Orlygsson	1st Division (2nd tier)	7.14​	14th	Stoke
	Andy Cole	Premier League	7.33​	12th (joint)	Newcastle
	Neil Shipperley	Premier League	7.00​		Chelsea