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Evangelos Marinakis and Pie Cannons (sponsored by Carlos)

Big Evangelos - IN or OUT?

  • Marinakis IN! - He‘s a billionaire so must know what he’s doing

    Votes: 14 41.2%

  • Marinakis OUT! - The club is a shambles!

    Votes: 4 11.8%

  • Modern Football, eh?

    Votes: 16 47.1%
  • Total voters
    34
MansfieldRed

MansfieldRed

Grenville Morris
Hawkeye1947 said:
Obviously you weren’t around for the other regimes… be careful what you wish for
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Pretty much this.


Irving and Wray were as close to asset strippers as possible selling players without consulting Bassett.

Doughty, despite the fact he's still well liked, did ultimately lead us down into League One.

Fawaz was a litany of failure to pay bills and winding up orders from HMRC.
 
Redemption

Redemption

Agenda Benda
isaacs

isaacs

Viv Anderson
I'm surprised it has taken the best part of two full seasons in the top flight for the London journos to do an expose on the Big Man. Charlotte used to be on his good books too i think.

I wonder who the man who had nothing but nice things to say about Coops was in that meeting? I've embraced the Big Man and his big man ways after he sacked Coops because i needed something to cope with, but that story really shows the level of narcissism in his personality. Imagine throwing someone out of a meeting before the first drink arrives because he's speaking nice things about the manager that got you promotion. Its just hard to swallow but easily believed.
 
GreeksBearingGifts

GreeksBearingGifts

Stuart Pearce
I was asked to read the two pieces in the Times and the Daily Mail about EM. I just did. Nothing in these two articles looks unfamiliar to me regarding the man's ego and outbursts. Both articles are quite correct in pointing out the cultural differences which explain the infamous Forest tweet. Greek football is notoriously corrupt and it is the big clubs' owners who are to blame (including EM in his first few years). It is indeed quite common for clubs and their owners to publicly complain about referees (and VARs, who in Greece as well have become the main instrument in influencing match outcomes). Hardly a matchday goes by without one or -more often- more clubs officially complaining about referees, with language ten times more harsh than the Forest tweet. Things have reached a point where clubs complain even in matches where the referee has not really influenced the outcome; a sort of preemptive strike. Things are even more strenuous for EM's temper, given the fact that, for several years now, a coalition of other clubs controls the Football Federation (which controls referees), unlike the first few years of EM's involvement in football, where he had control (and paid for it, with all the match-fixing allegations which have now been put to rest with irrevocable court decisions at all levels). The anti-Olympiacos mentality is palpable, and it shows in refereeing decisions. All this creates a counterproductive "us vs. the world" mentality.

I see there's also a point in one of the articles about violence from organized ultras. It is indeed a major problem in Greece (and the main reason I abstain from following the team in the stadium, I have a visceral aversion to football violence), but there is a misunderstanding here. Traditionally, all big club owners try to control ultras and, indeed, offer them many perks: small jobs at the club or elsewhere in their businesses, free tickets etc. This does not necessarily mean that they personally promote violence and organize violent acts. More often than not, the opposite is true; the main ultra clubs have nefarious agendas of their own, and the perks can also be seen as a means for preventing things to turn really ugly.
 
Strummer

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
GreeksBearingGifts said:
I see there's also a point in one of the articles about violence from organized ultras. It is indeed a major problem in Greece (and the main reason I abstain from following the team in the stadium, I have a visceral aversion to football violence), but there is a misunderstanding here. Traditionally, all big club owners try to control ultras and, indeed, offer them many perks: small jobs at the club or elsewhere in their businesses, free tickets etc. This does not necessarily mean that they personally promote violence and organize violent acts. More often than not, the opposite is true; the main ultra clubs have nefarious agendas of their own, and the perks can also be seen as a means for preventing things to turn really ugly.
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Sounds like a similar situation to Italy, then?

German football‘s „Ultra“ scene is (of course…) splendidly well organised and choreographed, fans are raucous, energetic, and promote the kind of noisy atmosphere you want to see in a football stadium. Most are in it for the bier, songs, and supporting the team, which is how it should be.

Trouble and scrapping is quite rare, although Eintracht‘s supporters do have a bit of an unsavoury reputation as troublemakers and are often seen as spoiling for a fight.
 
M

Munich and Madrid

A. Trialist
GreeksBearingGifts said:
I was asked to read the two pieces in the Times and the Daily Mail about EM. I just did. Nothing in these two articles looks unfamiliar to me regarding the man's ego and outbursts. Both articles are quite correct in pointing out the cultural differences which explain the infamous Forest tweet. Greek football is notoriously corrupt and it is the big clubs' owners who are to blame (including EM in his first few years). It is indeed quite common for clubs and their owners to publicly complain about referees (and VARs, who in Greece as well have become the main instrument in influencing match outcomes). Hardly a matchday goes by without one or -more often- more clubs officially complaining about referees, with language ten times more harsh than the Forest tweet. Things have reached a point where clubs complain even in matches where the referee has not really influenced the outcome; a sort of preemptive strike. Things are even more strenuous for EM's temper, given the fact that, for several years now, a coalition of other clubs controls the Football Federation (which controls referees), unlike the first few years of EM's involvement in football, where he had control (and paid for it, with all the match-fixing allegations which have now been put to rest with irrevocable court decisions at all levels). The anti-Olympiacos mentality is palpable, and it shows in refereeing decisions. All this creates a counterproductive "us vs. the world" mentality.

I see there's also a point in one of the articles about violence from organized ultras. It is indeed a major problem in Greece (and the main reason I abstain from following the team in the stadium, I have a visceral aversion to football violence), but there is a misunderstanding here. Traditionally, all big club owners try to control ultras and, indeed, offer them many perks: small jobs at the club or elsewhere in their businesses, free tickets etc. This does not necessarily mean that they personally promote violence and organize violent acts. More often than not, the opposite is true; the main ultra clubs have nefarious agendas of their own, and the perks can also be seen as a means for preventing things to turn really ugly.
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Thank you GBG, much appreciated.
 
Flaggers

Flaggers

May not be the best moderator on LTLF, but he's...
LTLF Minion
J

jdthebrit

First Team Squad
MansfieldRed said:
Pretty much this.


Irving and Wray were as close to asset strippers as possible selling players without consulting Bassett.

Doughty, despite the fact he's still well liked, did ultimately lead us down into League One.

Fawaz was a litany of failure to pay bills and winding up orders from HMRC.
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Doughty was awful. People should remember that radio Nottm interview where he threw his toys out of the pram.
One shouldn't speak ill of those no longer with us so I shall leave it there.

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B

Berkshire Red

Jack Armstrong
Col Steve Austin said:
The Telegraph have also written an "expose" on EM.

www.telegraph.co.uk

Evangelos Marinakis: Combustible Nottingham Forest owner behind extraordinary attacks on officials

Greek shipping mogul who shocked English football with outburst about ‘Luton fan’ VAR has a rich history of losing his patience
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk

Quite the coincidence that they've all written something this weekend!
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They won't want an outsider questioning our wonderful Premier League. Only our media is ever allowed to do that.

Many supporters of other clubs will back EM once they allow themselves to be objective.
 
valspoodle

valspoodle

Steve Chettle
You don't, specially in the shipping business I would guess, make money by being a shrinking violet.

We all have our strange foibles, some are quiet, but firm in their views. Some are bombastic and unpleasant. Some become referees.

It takes all sorts. If you are bright white and pure, you have nothing to worry about. Those who make the most noise when accused possibly have something to hide.

Just saying.
 
M

MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
Blimey news articles about how volatile Marinakis is.

Maybe tomorrow we'll get some breaking news from them that Boris Johnson's a bit of a liar.
 
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