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[BryanRoy22]

Big mistake to jump Pearces position in the manner he did, no coming back from that really. Definitely his own bloke Dougie, I remember his apparent sneering at the previous regime when things went well at the start, then digging out youngsters to make a point & his repetitive embargo excuses.

He may have a similar tactical style to Lamouchi, but he didn't execute it with anywhere near the success or the integrity.

Never took to the bloke personally.

I think if any of us were under that embargo situation or similar, we'd use it as a reason for us not being able to do our jobs properly

He did try to introduce a couple of youngsters into the first team, though.

Oliver Burke and Tyler Walker. He worked hard with Tyler especially on the training ground and really believed in him.

Also played Ben Osborn a lot.

 

[BryanRoy22]

A half full City Ground on a Tuesday night against Preston.

Dougies legacy in a nutshell.

I think that was more to do with the major cloud of depression that hung over the club just prior to Freedman becoming manager and not necessarily to do with Freedman himself.

Many fans declared to never step foot in the City Ground again after Pearce's sacking, and it took a while to heal some of that damage.

 

[Master Yates]

His football drove me away, I can’t lie.

Whatever was going on at the time and the embargo etc, I just could not watch what he served up on the pitch any longer.


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[Wes' Organ]

I think that was more to do with the major cloud of depression that hung over the club just prior to Freedman becoming manager and not necessarily to do with Freedman himself.

Many fans declared to never step foot in the City Ground again after Pearce's sacking, and it took a while to heal some of that damage.

I didn't until Fawaz f**ked his simple self off.

 

[BryanRoy22]

His football drove me away, I can’t lie.

Whatever was going on at the time and the embargo etc, I just could not watch what he served up on the pitch any longer.

In Freedman's first 5 home games he won 3-0, 4-1, 2-1, 2-1, and 2-0. 5 straight wins.

It was the following season where he appeared to tighten things up too much after Fawaz sold Antonio and Assombalonga suffered his terrible knee injury.

If we went 1-0 down, I never felt we would ever get back into the game. If we went 1-0 up, we were quite hard to beat and we would suck the life out of the game.

Would have been interesting to see how he would have got on with Antonio and Assombalonga for a full season as they were our key attacking players.

 

[rippey89]

After O'Driscoll, Dougie is definitely my preferred choice of Fawaz era manager. I thought he did a decent job overall in very testing circumstances, the signings we made were largely good all things considered, and he found a way of playing with a squad that got decent results - organised a decent defence that conceded less than a goal a game with defenders which were bang average.

Joined us in 12th, left us in 14th just over a year later losing the two best players from the previous season.

 

[MASE]

I think if any of us were under that embargo situation or similar, we'd use it as a reason for us not being able to do our jobs properly

He did try to introduce a couple of youngsters into the first team, though.

Oliver Burke and Tyler Walker. He worked hard with Tyler especially on the training ground and really believed in him.

Also played Ben Osborn a lot.

I'll see your Burke & Walker & raise you McDonagh & Evtimov, two youngsters he chucked under a bus. Thought that was poor form from Dougie, managers should be bulletproof when it comes to dealing with young careers.

Take your points on his managerial acumen, he certainly wasnt the worst, I just struggle to be objective about him because I didnt like him & the way he constantly managed for himself rather than the club.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

Emotional criticisms aside for stuff like jumping in Pearce's grave & shit footy, Dougie was a failure in my eyes because he came here to trim the wage bill, but ultimately didn't.

He may have been under Umbongo, but signings/loans like Mills, Ward, Trotter & Macheda just ended up clogging up the squad & wage bill, and I think the accounts showed we'd not really reduced it much in Dougie's time.

Hell he loaned Johnny Williams and barely played him. He was also after Carayol before we landed him :facepalm:

Not the worst manager we had at all, but he gets hailed by some as a bit of a hero for doing "well" in a "tough" scenario, when in reality he's the type of bloke who'd fill a squad up with players like Muric, Semedo & Mir.

 

[Strummer]

I'll see your Burke & Walker & raise you McDonagh & Evtimov, two youngsters he chucked under a bus. Thought that was poor form from Dougie, managers should be bulletproof when it comes to dealing with young careers.

Take your points on his managerial acumen, he certainly wasnt the worst, I just struggle to be objective about him because I didnt like him & the way he constantly managed for himself rather than the club.

I‘m with MASE on this.

I was prepared to give Freedman the benefit of the doubt, given the environment he was working under, but his treatment of (particularly) Dimitar Evitmov was frankly unforgivable and I lost all respect for him after that.

One simply does not hang a young player like that out to dry (as Sean Bean‘s famous meme might have it).

 

[Tobias]

I‘m with MASE on this.

I was prepared to give Freedman the benefit of the doubt, given the environment he was working under, but his treatment of (particularly) Dimitar Evitmov was frankly unforgivable and I lost all respect for him after that.

One simply does not hang a young player like that out to dry (as Sean Bean‘s famous meme might have it).

I remember Cotterill doing the same with Jamaal Lascelles after a home loss to Burnley. In the same interview, he credited himself with developing their goalscorer Jay Rodriguez in spite of the fact Rodriguez didn't make his Burnley debut until after Cotterill had left the club. A few years later and Cotterill was again patting himself on the back again in an interview for developing both Lascelles and Bamford at Forest.

Of all the shite managers we've had at the club, Cotterill definitely takes the prize as the most odious for me. A vile man with a dogshit brand of football and no redeeming qualities.

 

[Wes' Organ]

I remember Cotterill doing the same with Jamaal Lascelles after a home loss to Burnley. In the same interview, he credited himself with developing their goalscorer Jay Rodriguez in spite of the fact Rodriguez didn't make his Burnley debut until after Cotterill had left the club. A few years later and Cotterill was again patting himself on the back again in an interview for developing both Lascelles and Bamford at Forest.

Of all the shite managers we've had at the club, Cotterill definitely takes the prize as the most odious for me. A vile man with a dogshit brand of football and no redeeming qualities.

I rang my boss after the Jay Rodriguez interview game (he was at the game as a Burnley fan) "Have you f***ing heard this stupid ****, can't you take the **** back with you, he wants f***ing with a shitty stick the cocksucking f***ing wurzel"
Silence
I forgot he had his kids in the car with him and he was on hands free.
I blame f***ing Cotterill for that.

 

[BryanRoy22]

Emotional criticisms aside for stuff like jumping in Pearce's grave & shit footy, Dougie was a failure in my eyes because he came here to trim the wage bill, but ultimately didn't.

He may have been under Umbongo, but signings/loans like Mills, Ward, Trotter & Macheda just ended up clogging up the squad & wage bill, and I think the accounts showed we'd not really reduced it much in Dougie's time.

Hell he loaned Johnny Williams and barely played him. He was also after Carayol before we landed him :facepalm:

Not the worst manager we had at all, but he gets hailed by some as a bit of a hero for doing "well" in a "tough" scenario, when in reality he's the type of bloke who'd fill a squad up with players like Muric, Semedo & Mir.

Those signings were based on not being able to offer more than £10,000 a week, if I remember rightly?

He was limited the standard of player he could bring in.

Matt Mills did well under Dougie, I thought. Was part of a strong defence. But he was never going to be long-term.

You could look at every manager and pick apart their transfer dealings. Rarely do they reach 75% success. Even this season, look at our loan signings.

Muric, Semedo, Mir, Bostock, Diakhaby.

Permanents who haven't lifted up any trees = Bong, Jenkinson, Adomah. You could add Nuno da Costa to that if you're being harsh. Selling Soudani and Vellios when we only had Grabban as a recognised striker?

But it's worked so far. If it hadn't, we'd be picking Lamouchi's transfers apart too.

 

[Erik]

I think if any of us were under that embargo situation or similar, we'd use it as a reason for us not being able to do our jobs properly

He knew what he'd signed up for.

If he didn't think he could do his job properly despite being aware of it then he should never have taken the job in the first place.

 

[Harvey]

Shite defensive manager who jumped into a club legend's grave quicker than Greg Rutherford, blamed everything on the embargo and constantly looked like he was coming down off a crack habit

Not sorry he's gone

 

[marshal99]

I‘m with MASE on this.

I was prepared to give Freedman the benefit of the doubt, given the environment he was working under, but his treatment of (particularly) Dimitar Evitmov was frankly unforgivable and I lost all respect for him after that.

One simply does not hang a young player like that out to dry (as Sean Bean‘s famous meme might have it).

his words on dimi might be slightly harsh then but it wasn't sugar coated , and since then dimi career hasn't exactly been the one who got away , he is once again looking for a new club at 26 after his contract ended.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

Those signings were based on not being able to offer more than £10,000 a week, if I remember rightly?

He was limited the standard of player he could bring in.

Matt Mills did well under Dougie, I thought. Was part of a strong defence. But he was never going to be long-term.

You could look at every manager and pick apart their transfer dealings. Rarely do they reach 75% success. Even this season, look at our loan signings.

Muric, Semedo, Mir, Bostock, Diakhaby.

Permanents who haven't lifted up any trees = Bong, Jenkinson, Adomah. You could add Nuno da Costa to that if you're being harsh. Selling Soudani and Vellios when we only had Grabban as a recognised striker?

But it's worked so far. If it hadn't, we'd be picking Lamouchi's transfers apart too.

10k was the rumour, but when the accounts where released we'd pretty much a par wage bill.

Pointless having a wage cap if all it means is that you're gonna sign a load of players to clog the squad up with instead. Trotter, Williams, Macheada etc. - some barely played.

Doggie was signed to keep us stable whilst reducing the wage bill. He did the first part, failed at the second part. The job he has wasn't easy, but his philosophy of clogging the squad up with loans instead of investing more in our own youth was the wrong one for the job in hand IMO.

(and as you touch on, it's something which the current setup could do with considering too)

 

[BryanRoy22]

He knew what he'd signed up for.

If he didn't think he could do his job properly despite being aware of it then he should never have taken the job in the first place.

Probably felt it was a chance of a lifetime to manage a club like Nottingham Forest.

I'd imagine he didn't realise just how tough it was going to be; like the rest under Fawaz.