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Darlow's Replacement

Danga

Danga

Formerly JLingz
bgd said:
Well we can pay up to 11.5k p/w in wages, then as I said, Newcastle presumably owe future incentives, so you'd just take off whatever value necessary. It doesn't appear as if Evtimov has made much progress as hoped in the past year or so, Smith is highly rated but not sure he'll be ready, and de Vries is out of contract. So we might have to get a loan. I'm not saying it's my preferred option, but that I can see it happening.
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Krul could quite easily leave in the summer, or be injured for months on end like he usually is. Elliot doesn't look much to me on the few occasions I've seen him and Alnwick is leaving on a free. So i can well see Newcastle getting him back and having as a number 2. I think its best all concered that in the summer its a 'thank you Karl' and we move on. There are always plenty of good quality 'keepers moving around on loan or on a free which we could pick up this summer.
 
Kieran

Kieran

@NFFC182
GandalfTheRed said:
Krul could quite easily leave in the summer, or be injured for months on end like he usually is. Elliot doesn't look much to me on the few occasions I've seen him and Alnwick is leaving on a free. So i can well see Newcastle getting him back and having as a number 2. I think its best all concered that in the summer its a 'thank you Karl' and we move on. There are always plenty of good quality 'keepers moving around on loan or on a free which we could pick up this summer.
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Yeah, I don't think we should hold out for another loan deal for Darlow or anything or the potential that Newcastle don't want him anymore, I think it should just be a case of thank you Karl, and we move on like you say.
 
Rich

Rich

Rice IV
Probably the wrong place, but with news of a new injury to Alnwick, Newcastle are left with only a 17 year old to play against Sunderland at the weekend. They're appealing to the league to give them dispensation to sign someone as they basically have no goalkeepers.

The league, however, have said that they have three declared fit goalkeepers on their books in Alnwick (new injury), the 17 yr old, and Karl Darlow (who they cannot recall).

So, the situation is this: either the league bend the rules and let them sign someone new, or they bend the rules and allow them to recall Darlow.

Which is more likely?
 
Strummer

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
The former, I'd say.
 
Strummer

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
Carlos said:
Aren't they allowed to recall him if it is deemed an emergency?
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I don't think they are.

They have a player - albeit a 17 year old - under a professional contract and who could play.

Such decisions would compromise the whole point of "season long" loans.
 
Rich

Rich

Rice IV
chriscl said:
I don't think they are.

They have a player - albeit a 17 year old - under a professional contract and who could play.

Such decisions would compromise the whole point of "season long" loans.
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They have a player under contract loaned out, which the league has determined to be a fit player on their books.

If the league denies them the chance to loan someone because Darlow is on their books, then they have every right to demand the chance to play him.
 
Brolin

Brolin

Swedish Meatball
Can't see them being able to recall Darlow because the loan back would have been priced into the £7m deal - if that's no longer in there, then how much are we compensated for?

I would suggest a loan of Mark Schwarzer from Chelsea could be their best option.
 
Ravi

Ravi

Upper Decker
Darlows loan contract is until the end of the season. Newcastle don't have any right to demand to play him. Even if both clubs agreed that Newcastle could buy out the remaining months, which I'm not sure is possible, it would still probably be cheaper for them to get in another keeper on an emergency loan.

Anyway, the league usually decide favourably on these 'emergency' keeper requests.
 
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Rich

Rich

Rice IV
Ravi said:
Darlows loan contract is until the end of the season. Newcastle don't have any right to demand to play him. Even if both clubs agreed that Newcastle could buy out the remaining months, which I'm not sure is possible, it would still probably be cheaper for them to get in another keeper on an emergency loan.

Anyway, the league usually decide favourably on these 'emergency' keeper requests.
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The point is that one way or the other the league will be allowing Newcastle to operate outside the rules. I don't think our right to keep Darlow will stand up if the league are basically saying normal rules don't apply.

If they're insistent that Darlow counts as one of their fit goalkeepers, and as such deny their application emergency loan, then they would have to allow Darlow to play for them.
 
Ravi

Ravi

Upper Decker
Rich said:
The point is that one way or the other the league will be allowing Newcastle to operate outside the rules. I don't think our right to keep Darlow will stand up if the league are basically saying normal rules don't apply.

If they're insistent that Darlow counts as one of their fit goalkeepers, and as such deny their application emergency loan, then they would have to allow Darlow to play for them.
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I understand your point but I'm not aware of any precedent for a club being asked to break a season long loan agreement for a short term injury crisis. There are plenty of cases were the league has relaxed the rules on emergency loans so a club can bring in a keeper for a month or so. Everything points to the latter happening.
 
Rich

Rich

Rice IV
Ravi said:
I understand your point but I'm not aware of any precedent for a club being asked to break a season long loan agreement for a short term injury crisis. There are plenty of cases were the league has relaxed the rules on emergency loans so a club can bring in a keeper for a month or so. Everything points to the latter happening.
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I agree. I only raise it as I read this morning that the league had told them that they have three fit goalkeepers, including Darlow, soy wouldn't be able to get an emergency loan.
 
B

bgd

Grenville Morris
Rich said:
The point is that one way or the other the league will be allowing Newcastle to operate outside the rules. I don't think our right to keep Darlow will stand up if the league are basically saying normal rules don't apply.

If they're insistent that Darlow counts as one of their fit goalkeepers, and as such deny their application emergency loan, then they would have to allow Darlow to play for them.
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I think if either option of loaning someone or re-calling Darlow are contravening the rules, then they're both as likely or unlikely as each other.
 
Statto

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
It is ludicrous they are counting a player in their squad who is on a season long loan to another team and under the terms of which cannot be recalled.

Of course, there is a precedent, City were allowed to bring in a loan keeper when they had 2 injured keepers in their squad and Joe Hart on loan, Newcastle have 3.

How many experienced keepers should a team have? I think the majority of PL sides have an experienced backup but third choice less likely, they won't get many games anyway, and I don't think it's a frequent occurrence that two keepers are almost simultaneously lost to injury, certainly not medium term injuries anyway.

The league should see sense and allow them to bring in someone like Given or Schwarzer on loan until Krul or Elliott is back, it isn't fair on Alnwick or the kid to be playing with this level of inexperience and it isn't good on their competition to have such an obvious weak link in the side, to see one of their clubs get beaten 7-0 playing a kid in goal every week.

Nor could Newcastle have reasonably forseen that they would be in this situation having taken the decision as part of the deal to loan Darlow back to us for the season.

In fairness as we have de Vries who is proven at this level, if they were forced to recall Darlow, it wouldn't be too much of an issue (provided we could then recall Evtimov).
 
Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.

Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.

Fulchester United
I'm sure their young keeper will mysteriously suffer from some season ending injury ...
 
Rzar

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
Well done Fawaz for making sure the clause is 100%. Could have easily been loopholes left in to bring him back, but thankfully there isn't.
 
Dan_Bristol

Dan_Bristol

Grenville Morris
8balluk said:
Chris Kirkland free agent at end of season
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Something about him that makes me worry, you don't need that from a GK, can we coax Kevin Pressman out of retirement?

on a more serious note, is the 3rd choice at Man utd, any good, Johnstone or Amos?
 
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