Daniel Taylor Twitter Rant Thread

[incident]

I don’t think anyone is arsed that people decide to live however they do. Or they are what they are.

I think people are just poking a bit of fun at putting pronouns on the signature when it isn’t really relevant for most. Jokey faux outrage at most, no malice.

That's probably broadly true in this specific conversation.

But it's certainly the case that people in more toxic corners of the internet, and in the real world for that matter, are certainly arsed about it and go out of their way to be as spiteful and generally as awful as they can to cause further pain to people who are already hurting.

 

[Otis Redding]

I appreciate most of the comments on here are light hearted and playing up to a ‘confused old man’ persona for comedy effect.

No need to bring me into it!

 

[GOBIAS]

No need to bring me into it!

You are a confused old them

 

[Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.]

I work for a company whose official language does not have gender specific pronouns.

I often wonder whether they're having a good laugh about all of this.

 

[Harvey]

To add to those "simpler times" Captain, I still clearly recall my secondary school days in the early-60s, when corporal punishment was normal, and seeing psycho teachers dishing-out brutal beatings to kids without any fear of sanction. I don't think it was coincidence that most of the teachers at Trent Bridge Secondary Modern who commanded the most respect without ever resorting to physical punishment had mostly served in the military during World War 2.

I also remember "w*g", "c**n" and "P*ki" being more-or-less accepted terms of reference, and kids who didn't conform to socially-accepted norms having awful experiences. Also polio victims and those with other disabilities who were casually and cruelly labelled a "spaz". When I became an adult and a father I felt quite ashamed that I'd not stood up more than I did at the time for those who faced that treatment on a daily-basis, and for the black and asian kids who were subjected to almost-routine racism - although I did make up for that a little later however (and probably a bit too aggressively at times) after I got together my now-wife (of Jamaican heritage) in 1966.

As an old bloke now in my mid-70s, the pace of social change is a struggle for me to keep-up with, but I'm grateful that my grand-and-great-grandkids live in a time when difference is far more accepted - despite the culture wars being stoked-up by the current government and its enablers in the right-wing media.

Well said Otis

There's still plenty we need to change but thank goodness we live in more progressive, enlightened times

 

[Harvey]

Frankly, I think nowadays there is someone somewhere who will object to most anything.

You mean like you've just done?

 

[virgo]

Frankly, I think nowadays there is someone somewhere who will object to most anything.

90% of your posts are complaining about something or other.

You are like the bastard lovechild of Victor Meldrew and Alf Garnet.

 

[justnotjase]

My niece is 13 and in 3rd Year, which is Year 10 in new money I believe. She has someone in her class who identifies as a cat. I sh*t you not. A cat.

 

[lavelleuk]

For what it's worth I know at my old place people began putting pronouns in their signatures not because they cared about their own pronouns, but so it would be so common place that when there was someone who had something different it wouldn't be as noticeable

So it might have been odd seeing 50yo manly bloke john with he/him below, and probably pointless in that instance, but it just made it easier and less intimidating I guess for the one or two people who did maybe need it. If others weren't doing it they may not have had the confidence to, or if it was just them you know people would be like "why do they feel the need to advertise that stuff!?" rather than just being a thing people do

As for the identifying as a cat thing, kids have always done what they can do be different, push buttons or just be odd. The ways may change but kids won't, if someone is genuinely saying they identify as a cat they are either the weird kid being different to be different (like how in my day the weird kid suddenly became goth and then was like "you don't like me as I'm different" when we never liked you!) or the annoying troublemaker kid who is just seeing stuff online and using it to be annoying, be a nob, get out of work, or all three.

I have seen so much stuff about this identifying as a cat thing, hell the prime minster and high ups in the government have mentioned it, Piers Morgan and the likes have thrown out the whole "using litter boxes in the classroom" thing but seriously, every single kid is armed with a camera and video recorder on their phone these days, if you think there are kids only "meowing" to teachers and using litter treys day after day there wouldn't be some video footage somewhere? And if you don't think people like Piers or the DailyMail/The Sun wouldnt post that footage everywhere then I don't know what to tell you lol

 

[justnotjase]

I have seen so much stuff about this identifying as a cat thing, hell the prime minster and high ups in the government have mentioned it, Piers Morgan and the likes have thrown out the whole "using litter boxes in the classroom" thing but seriously, every single kid is armed with a camera and video recorder on their phone these days, if you think there are kids only "meowing" to teachers and using litter treys day after day there wouldn't be some video footage somewhere? And if you don't think people like Piers or the DailyMail/The Sun wouldnt post that footage everywhere then I don't know what to tell you lol

I genuinely had no idea it was a thing, the first I'd ever heard of it was when my niece mentioned it.

 

[Alvar Hanso]

The cat thing was a fake story from last year that got whipped up into a media frenzy by culture warriors like Piers Morgan. I guess it’s doing the rounds again

 

[T Francis]

Well that’s 20 minutes I’ll never get back

 

[Captain Sinister]

90% of your posts are complaining about something or other.

You are like the bastard lovechild of Victor Meldrew and Alf Garnet.

You must be as bored with life as me, to read all my posts, and conduct a statistical analysis as to the % where I am moaning about something or other.
Incidentally, I don't think that a person can have 2 same-sex parents.
It seems to be biologically unfeasible.
I think I tend to the Alf Garnet is my father rather than Victor.
I did meet the actor who played Meldrew once, at Glasgow airport.
When I went past him, stopped and said "I don't believe it", he politely told me to "f*** off".
So off I f**ked.
Now Dennis Law, whom I met at the same airport on another occasion, was simply brilliant to chat to.
He didn't mind about me banging on about Forest beating Man Ure several times in the 1960s.

 

[Bob Fossil]

I can actually identify with the trans movement. For the first 9 months of my life I was a man trapped in a woman's body

 

[Master Yates]

I suppose if someone genuinely identifies as a cat, then the pronouns thing serves a very useful purpose.

Advertising that you have serious mental problems in advance saves people finding out the hard way.


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[Senior Flange Technician]

It’s different when someone you care about is non binary. Seeing the terms of abuse on here like lunatics/twats/attention seekers directed at someone just living their life and doing no harm is stomach churning.

I only hope that they come from a place of ignorance, rather than genuine malice

My views are only formed from experience, although I openly admit that is limited. I also meant no offence and I'm in no doubt there are cases where trans and non-binary are part of someone's identity. I struggle to believe it's as prevalent as either side of the culture war wants us l, somewhere in the middle people to believe, though.

I'd just like people to be people, tags and labels are not something that I care about.

I'd be courteous if I was asked to address someone in a certain way but I have an issue with compelled speech, regardless of where it comes from.

I hope your loved one finds or has found peace and happines within themselves.

 

[GOBIAS]

My niece is 13 and in 3rd Year, which is Year 10 in new money I believe. She has someone in her class who identifies as a cat. I sh*t you not. A cat.

At least go for a dog ffs!

 

[Statto]

The cat thing was a fake story from last year that got whipped up into a media frenzy by culture warriors like Piers Morgan. I guess it’s doing the rounds again

I'm sure it was initially but then there will no doubt be copy cat attempts from other kids who saw it and thought it would be original to do it for lolz.

That's the thing - these things do have their use but some people will invariably go too far or troll it which spoils it for those who need it.

 

[Redemption]

My son went through a phase of identifying as dog when he was 7 or 8. We'd regularly find under the kitchen table in a make-shift dog's bed. He's 29 now and mainly identifies as cat.

My daughter, 16, went through period during Covid where she was a boy, then she was fluid, the she was a lesbian. Now, she's just an hetero CIS girl.

I don't have any beef with people giving their preferred pro-nouns. Seems a bit weird people not wanting to respect it, tbh.

 

[Statto]

Why? I’m only contacting that person for work related reasons. I’m not trying to cop off with them.

If I ask you to send me the figures by COB Tuesday, why do I need to know your genital configuration?


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To an extent

But whilst you might want to refer to someone initially by their first name, doing it every time you mention them because you are afraid of using the wrong pronouns might look a bit odd.

For example if during the course of an email I wanted to say
"I've spoken to Sam about sending you the figures, Sam has advised me that Sam will be able to get me the information by the end of today and then tomorrow I'll be able to make the presentation to you"
most people might refer to Sam by name the first time but then might want to look tidier by using he/she in the 2nd and 3rd times. I guess you could use they...

 

[Flaggers]

What pronouns does the cat person use?

 

[Alvar Hanso]

My views are only formed from experience, although I openly admit that is limited. I also meant no offence and I'm in no doubt there are cases where trans and non-binary are part of someone's identity. I struggle to believe it's as prevalent as either side of the culture war wants us l, somewhere in the middle people to believe, though.

I'd just like people to be people, tags and labels are not something that I care about.

I'd be courteous if I was asked to address someone in a certain way but I have an issue with compelled speech, regardless of where it comes from.

I hope your loved one finds or has found peace and happines within themselves.

No worries. I know you and the vast majority of people on here are are decent people.

Probably time I had a mini flounce and took a break from the forum for a bit

 

[Tobias]

What pronouns does the cat person use?

Whatever they're feline like at that moment in time?

 

[Bob Fossil]

I blame this fella/feline for starting all this shit

 

[Statto]

What pronouns does the cat person use?

meow/purr