More chance of getting another two points docked.
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Financial Fair Play (FFP)
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Bonfy177
LTLF MORON
Rockabilly
GAFF LAD. "Open your knees and feel the breeze"
HappyHappyJoyJoy
Viv Anderson
You just have to laugh at this point.
Hundreds of millions at stake and its all run by idiots you'd be worried about leaving in charge of a car wash.
Bonfy177
LTLF MORON
, brilliant episode.
Rockabilly
GAFF LAD. "Open your knees and feel the breeze"
I wouldn't bet on it.
Cloughie1975
John Robertson
The Premier League’s certainly washed up.
Cloughie1975
John Robertson
Depends if they’re using an abacus,slide rule or super computer that day.
Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
I'm genuinely flabbergasted by this news - honestly, I want to see us stay up as a result of what we do as opposed to what happens to someone else, so in that respect the deduction news makes no difference to that. It's just the absolute double standards and making it up as they go along that irks me. They've made a complete mockery of their own f***ing terrible in the first place rules, and ignored the daylight robbery of more than 200 million pounds worth of 'covid losses', better known as cheating.
I'm not even particularly angry at Everton, the absolute shit cheating ***** that they are, but once again I'm fuming at the premier league. It strikes me that they don't want to relegate them, as it will in turn take them into administration. If that's the case just say that. So t pretend that all their bullshit factors are real - they sold a player and reinvested more than they sold for bu the tune of about 30m iirc. Knowing they'd breached but not allowing the case to be heard in that year. And the PL allowed that? And they can't enforce their own rules on three year rolling windows? It's absolutely bizarre, and quite probably cheating on both counts.
How does this affect us? Who f***ing knows - they don't know their own rules and depending on the ramifications seem to implement them in totally different ways. Absolute shit show.
I'm not even particularly angry at Everton, the absolute shit cheating ***** that they are, but once again I'm fuming at the premier league. It strikes me that they don't want to relegate them, as it will in turn take them into administration. If that's the case just say that. So t pretend that all their bullshit factors are real - they sold a player and reinvested more than they sold for bu the tune of about 30m iirc. Knowing they'd breached but not allowing the case to be heard in that year. And the PL allowed that? And they can't enforce their own rules on three year rolling windows? It's absolutely bizarre, and quite probably cheating on both counts.
How does this affect us? Who f***ing knows - they don't know their own rules and depending on the ramifications seem to implement them in totally different ways. Absolute shit show.
This panel has drawn explicit comparison to our case.
And is dismissive of our claims that we have been excessivley punished.
That said, they contradict by then admitting comparisons aren't easy.
Of course, another panel or appeal jury could disagree.
Finally, it is necessary to consider the fairness of the sanction when benchmarked
against the Nottingham Forest decision and the Everton FY22 Appeal, in which:
263.1. Nottingham Forest received a four-point penalty where it had breached the
threshold applicable to it by some €34.5 million, or 55.6%. That conclusion was
reached based upon a starting point of six points, which was reduced by two
points to take into account Nottingham Forest's early guilty plea and
exceptional cooperation with the PL (see [14.181); and
263.2. Everton received a six-point penalty in the Everton FY22 Appeal for a breach
of €19.5 million.
Here, Everton submitted that a starting point of five points for its breach was
disproportionate to the penalty imposed in Nottingham Forest, which was much larger
(a) in absolute terms (€34.5 million versus Everton's €16.6 million) and (b) in
percentage terms (55.6% versus Everton's 15.8%). Everton also stressed that
Nottingham Forest had exceeded its Upper Loss Threshold by €34.5 million in one
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reporting period, whereas Everton had exceeded the threshold by a total of £36.1 million
across two reporting periods, for which it had already been penalised.
Notwithstanding those comparisons, we consider our starting point to be appropriate
and justifiable in accordance with the Nottingham Forest decision:
265.1. Considering FY22 and FY23 together, the starting point deductions of points
are as follows: (a) a deduction of six points (Everton FY22 Appeal); and (b) a
deduction of three points (this decision, before other mitigation). That is a total
starting point sanction of nine points across two years.
265.2. It is a result of the approach set out in the Everton FY22 Appeal, with which
we agree, that there should be a sanction of at least three points for every breach
of the PSR. It is natural, and right, that Everton receives a higher penalty than
Nottingham Forest, notwithstanding that the overall amount by which it
exceeded the Upper Loss Threshold was (a) broadly similar in monetary terms
and (b) less in percentage terms, in circumstances where Everton exceeded the
applicable Upper Loss Threshold in two financial years, but Nottingham Forest
exceeded that threshold in only one.
We therefore do not regard the further deduction of points to be excessive, unfair to
Everton, or disproportionate in comparison to the recent Nottingham Forest decision.
In any event, we have set out above that we respectfully disagree with Nottingham
Forest's interpretation of the Everton FY22 Appeal (in relation to aggravating factors).
Any comparison with Nottingham Forest should therefore be undertaken with caution.
HappyHappyJoyJoy
Viv Anderson
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
This is all so very very stupid.
Lady Penelope
First Team Squad
Perfectly put. I'll add to it with this ..... EPL is still content to let clubs fleece fans of every club and at every opportunity, all in the name of greed.
Been a while since i looked in here and i see you now all fully understand the premier league has no clue what they are doing.
The first independent commission deducted 10 points.
The second one (our appeal) disagreed with that and reduced it to 6.
Then the third (your first) commission disagreed with the first two and gave you 4
then came the 4th (our second charge) and they disagreed with everyone before it and gave us 2.
We have the farce that the Ukraine war reducing our sponsorship income was not accepted by commissions 1 and 2 but was by commission 4.
Now we hear there is an argument over the redone accounts which may or may not need another commission. God knows when that will be. Its how the league should be decided though, accounting arguments by lawyers.
The whole thing is a farce. There is no set guidelines to follow and each commission has made it up for themselves. Any anger should not be directed at different clubs. It should be firmly directed in the direction of Masters and Co who even now are attempting to change the rules next season to stop the likes of Chelsea breaching.
The first independent commission deducted 10 points.
The second one (our appeal) disagreed with that and reduced it to 6.
Then the third (your first) commission disagreed with the first two and gave you 4
then came the 4th (our second charge) and they disagreed with everyone before it and gave us 2.
We have the farce that the Ukraine war reducing our sponsorship income was not accepted by commissions 1 and 2 but was by commission 4.
Now we hear there is an argument over the redone accounts which may or may not need another commission. God knows when that will be. Its how the league should be decided though, accounting arguments by lawyers.
The whole thing is a farce. There is no set guidelines to follow and each commission has made it up for themselves. Any anger should not be directed at different clubs. It should be firmly directed in the direction of Masters and Co who even now are attempting to change the rules next season to stop the likes of Chelsea breaching.
Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
It is, and you're probably right, but it feels more than just that.
blue_eyes777
Viv Anderson
From The Telegraph regarding the third breach:
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Remarkably, the written reasons revealed that this was not the end of the case against Everton following a dispute between them and the Premier League about the scale of their breach, which the latter asserted was almost £23.2m.
The commission said the additional £6.56m would be considered “at a later time” and that “a further hearing will follow”, suggesting the outstanding matter would not be resolved before the end of the season.
It added: “The commission is acutely aware that there are many stakeholders – to name some: the PL, Everton, the Everton fans, all other Premier League clubs, the public – interested in the speedy determination of these disciplinary proceedings. Nevertheless, in fairness to the parties in these proceedings, the commission decided that the issues which remain cannot be dealt with in accordance with the timetable set out in the Standard Directions. The Standard Directions will not, therefore, apply to the remaining issues.”
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Remarkably, the written reasons revealed that this was not the end of the case against Everton following a dispute between them and the Premier League about the scale of their breach, which the latter asserted was almost £23.2m.
The commission said the additional £6.56m would be considered “at a later time” and that “a further hearing will follow”, suggesting the outstanding matter would not be resolved before the end of the season.
It added: “The commission is acutely aware that there are many stakeholders – to name some: the PL, Everton, the Everton fans, all other Premier League clubs, the public – interested in the speedy determination of these disciplinary proceedings. Nevertheless, in fairness to the parties in these proceedings, the commission decided that the issues which remain cannot be dealt with in accordance with the timetable set out in the Standard Directions. The Standard Directions will not, therefore, apply to the remaining issues.”
Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
I can agree with that - I hope that this league plays out with you and us still in it, though would appreciate three points in a couple of weeks by way of apology for the COVID loss piss take.
MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
Nah.
Everton are cheating. £200m COVID losses give over.
Forest f**ked it as well. The whole purpose of the rules are to make clubs sustainable and Forest took the piss last year and were reliant on payday loans to make amortisation payments this year so we are no angels ourselves.
Both clubs f**ked it. The PL has f**ked it too with their inconsistent rules, which they could have avoided by simply relegating the teams which broke the rules.
The only teams genuinely hard done to is Leeds - relegated behind three clubs who spend like a bored housewife.
Agree with you, All our key mitigation got put to one side, I expect that the mitigation in the appeal will reduce our deduction.
Quntib Hollox
Jack Armstrong
It has nothing to do with Luton. They weren’t in the league at the time and are massively benefiting from all this shitstorm. It’s galvanised them all season and given them serious hope.
HappyHappyJoyJoy
Viv Anderson
Yeah, I dont hold any malice towards your club, beyond the usual.
The whole system is a farce.
Lady Penelope
First Team Squad
And so I'll be back in Liverpool tomorrow, amongst Evertonians. My dad always says that they are worse than the Liverpool fans and in my experience, he's right.
It's a great project that they are building and the surrounding area will benefit massively. I still wonder how it is able to be paid for! villa have reigned their neck in because of the current economic climate, yet Everton seem to be ploughing on.
I'm expecting some tough conversations with a couple of whining bastards tomorrow. The conversation needs to be, simply put, how have the EPL tied themselves up in such a stupid know. it is way beyond a joke now, it impacts people's livelihoods. Whatever the merits of our case, Everton's case, leicester or anyone else, the system is clearly not fir for purpose and is harming football.
It's a great project that they are building and the surrounding area will benefit massively. I still wonder how it is able to be paid for! villa have reigned their neck in because of the current economic climate, yet Everton seem to be ploughing on.
I'm expecting some tough conversations with a couple of whining bastards tomorrow. The conversation needs to be, simply put, how have the EPL tied themselves up in such a stupid know. it is way beyond a joke now, it impacts people's livelihoods. Whatever the merits of our case, Everton's case, leicester or anyone else, the system is clearly not fir for purpose and is harming football.
RedRobbo
Grenville Morris
I’ve completely lost track ( & the will to live ).
When is our appeal being heard - and when do the club expect to hear the outcome?
When is our appeal being heard - and when do the club expect to hear the outcome?
MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
By the end of the week. Then you would assume a decision a week later.