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Morgan Anthony Gibbs-White

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Geoff Thomas
I might well cry if Forest are forced into selling him because of this bullshit financial cartel of the Premier League.

He was frankly superb tonight, possibly the best I have ever seen him in a Forest shirt, he was everywhere first half, dictating play and conducting operations, scored a superb goal, and always looked a threat.
I just posted in the FFP thread..... think there's a tactical decision to be considered for next year (should we stay up). Is MGW worth 3-6 points per season to us? If so, do we suck it up and accept another penalty to keep our best players while we do the hard work and start cleaning out the high earners and under performers?

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Redemption

One less gobshite...
MGW is the beating heart of the team. The 2 goal cushion gave us an insight into how good he really is last night.

Right up there with the top midfielders in this league for me.
You were dropping him into a deeper role last week because we needed a new beating heart at #10 🤣
 

valspoodle

Steve Chettle
Agree, beating heart of the team. Been a fan since he arrived, even when there was much sniping at his 'tricks and flicks' which were seen as unnecessary and dangerous to team possesssion.

Always gives his best and who else is there to galvanise the team and push it forward?
 

Gyros Peter

Sauce salad?
While his performance last night was so central to everything good we did, it almost distracted me from him hitting the double figure milestone - he may have even done that last week.

5 goals, 8 assists in all competitions is it. Above 15 has to be the target - be nice if a couple of those were goals too.

While I'd love to be able to build a side around him longer term, I think Spurs will be very interested in the summer... As I said last week, I wouldn't begrudge him a move should the 'big boys' come calling, if he continues to rack up the numbers beforehand... Outstanding work so far in that respect!
 

Notcher

Stuart Pearce
I just posted in the FFP thread..... think there's a tactical decision to be considered for next year (should we stay up). Is MGW worth 3-6 points per season to us? If so, do we suck it up and accept another penalty to keep our best players while we do the hard work and start cleaning out the high earners and under performers?

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I had this very discussion last night. Do clubs in general now have to genuinely consider how many potential points a player is worth and balance that off against a points deduction. If a player is considered to be worth 15 points then 3 point deduction is a worthwhile hit.

It seems like these are potential genuinely considered points now.
 

Gyros Peter

Sauce salad?
That was proper baller stuff, ball coming out of the clouds, close to the touchline and under pressure and he just killed it tight to his body.
As someone who I know has played at a pretty high level, no doubt with gifted players, I'm going to ask since I can't work out how he does it sone of the time...

His half turn stuff - is his body movement prior to receiving the ball showing the opponent one way, which his balance and insane close control then allows him to do the opposite of?

Several times last night he completely sold a very high level midfielder in Pauline (or whatever you call him) - it's all done with so much speed I find it hard to work out live. What's great about Morgan is that once he's worked that soave you know he's going to do something positive with it.
 

MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
As someone who I know has played at a pretty high level, no doubt with gifted players, I'm going to ask since I can't work out how he does it sone of the time...

His half turn stuff - is his body movement prior to receiving the ball showing the opponent one way, which his balance and insane close control then allows him to do the opposite of?

Not sure anyone really is qualified enough to answer here given the level anyone on here will have played is another world compared to PL football.

But, yes, and he's also making decisions on the next phase of play before he receives the ball. First goal last night wasn't just plan to wriggle away from Paulinha but there's a clear obvious intent to release the throughball early as well - decided prior to receiving the ball. The cruyff turn was interesting as it meant the Fulham defensive line stopped as they re-assessed what was happening, and that action gave CHO an advantage to beat Tete for pace as CHO was already on the half-sprint.

He's a very smart footballer. You don't often get players who are smart, physical, hard-working and have the technical ability to round it off.
 

Gyros Peter

Sauce salad?
Not sure anyone really is qualified enough to answer here given the level anyone on here will have played is another world compared to PL football.

But, yes, and he's also making decisions on the next phase of play before he receives the ball. First goal last night wasn't just plan to wriggle away from Paulinha but there's a clear obvious intent to release the throughball early as well - decided prior to receiving the ball. The cruyff turn was interesting as it meant the Fulham defensive line stopped as they re-assessed what was happening, and that action gave CHO an advantage to beat Tete for pace as CHO was already on the half-sprint.

He's a very smart footballer. You don't often get players who are smart, physical, hard-working and have the technical ability to round it off.
Agree with what you say, but given my own play was all about anger and workrate I'd expect someone with a better understanding of technical skill to analyse it better than me.

For the last paragraph that's what will see him play for a top side - having his ability _and_ workrate is rare.
 

Notcher

Stuart Pearce
As someone who I know has played at a pretty high level, no doubt with gifted players, I'm going to ask since I can't work out how he does it sone of the time...

His half turn stuff - is his body movement prior to receiving the ball showing the opponent one way, which his balance and insane close control then allows him to do the opposite of?

Several times last night he completely sold a very high level midfielder in Pauline (or whatever you call him) - it's all done with so much speed I find it hard to work out live. What's great about Morgan is that once he's worked that soave you know he's going to do something positive with it.
Yes is the short answer. He's a visible example of players that see things before anyone else does and his awareness of what's around him and what's going to happen is split seconds before others. He's got the advantage of knowing what he's going to do so he can change his body shape to react quicker but he's got such an insane low centre or gravity that enables him to throw opponents off balance whilst being able to correct/change his own position in one swift movement.

Eugune Bopp was a lad who I marvelled at with this ability but nowhere near MGW level. I've never seen anything like it from anyone I've played with or in a Forest shirt.
 

MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
Agree with what you say, but given my own play was all about anger and workrate I'd expect someone with a better understanding of technical skill to analyse it better than me.

Well, if it helps, I finished my "career" as a #10 having played in the pivot prior, and most of my game was about receiving the ball and moving it on. Pretty much every decision is made prior to receiving the ball - all about understanding who's where on the pitch and what avenues are available once you've got the ball - so when you make your move to receive the ball you've already got the plan of where it goes next.

PL/MGW football is different though as they're thinking beyond that too. Maybe when I was playing I'd have cruyff turned (probably not, technical skill wise I was crap) but I wouldn't be on train of thought to release the pass early to CHO - would have taken me a few seconds to realise it was on and by time I was in shape to release ball the opportunity has gone.

So, on that completely useless comparison: MGW does "normal" things you'd expect of that agile playmaker, just lots of them, all at the same time. That's why he stands out, because everyone else is reacting to his decisions.
 

Gyros Peter

Sauce salad?
Yes is the short answer. He's a visible example of players that see things before anyone else does and his awareness of what's around him and what's going to happen is split seconds before others. He's got the advantage of knowing what he's going to do so he can change his body shape to react quicker but he's got such an insane low centre or gravity that enables him to throw opponents off balance whilst being able to correct/change his own position in one swift movement.

Eugune Bopp was a lad who I marvelled at with this ability but nowhere near MGW level. I've never seen anything like it from anyone I've played with or in a Forest shirt.
Remember Eugene Bopp - massive things expected of him from an early age due to his technical level iirc. Didn't he have a good career after converting to full back?
 

Gyros Peter

Sauce salad?
Well, if it helps, I finished my "career" as a #10 having played in the pivot prior, and most of my game was about receiving the ball and moving it on. Pretty much every decision is made prior to receiving the ball - all about understanding who's where on the pitch and what avenues are available once you've got the ball - so when you make your move to receive the ball you've already got the plan of where it goes next.

PL/MGW football is different though as they're thinking beyond that too. Maybe when I was playing I'd have cruyff turned (probably not, technical skill wise I was crap) but I wouldn't be on train of thought to release the pass early to CHO - would have taken me a few seconds to realise it was on and by time I was in shape to release ball the opportunity has gone.

So, on that completely useless comparison: MGW does "normal" things you'd expect of that agile playmaker, just lots of them, all at the same time. That's why he stands out, because everyone else is reacting to his decisions.
I get the steps ahead thing, specifically I'm looking at the way he consistently sells his marker - is it body movement prior to receiving of just really good spacial awareness do you think?

My own 'career' was based on blood, thunder, hurting people and pretending not to be hurt.
 

Notcher

Stuart Pearce
Well, if it helps, I finished my "career" as a #10 having played in the pivot prior, and most of my game was about receiving the ball and moving it on. Pretty much every decision is made prior to receiving the ball - all about understanding who's where on the pitch and what avenues are available once you've got the ball - so when you make your move to receive the ball you've already got the plan of where it goes next.

PL/MGW football is different though as they're thinking beyond that too. Maybe when I was playing I'd have cruyff turned (probably not, technical skill wise I was crap) but I wouldn't be on train of thought to release the pass early to CHO - would have taken me a few seconds to realise it was on and by time I was in shape to release ball the opportunity has gone.

So, on that completely useless comparison: MGW does "normal" things you'd expect of that agile playmaker, just lots of them, all at the same time. That's why he stands out, because everyone else is reacting to his decisions.
I think we're both skirting around the same thing. It's what separates players. I've played with many lads who were easily good enough technically to play professionally and undoubtedly you have but what separated them is their speed of thought and ability to see the picture quicker.
 

Redemption

One less gobshite...
As someone who I know has played at a pretty high level, no doubt with gifted players, I'm going to ask since I can't work out how he does it sone of the time...

His half turn stuff - is his body movement prior to receiving the ball showing the opponent one way, which his balance and insane close control then allows him to do the opposite of?

Several times last night he completely sold a very high level midfielder in Pauline (or whatever you call him) - it's all done with so much speed I find it hard to work out live. What's great about Morgan is that once he's worked that soave you know he's going to do something positive with it.
He knows how to bring his defender towards him so he already has an idea about the space he can use to turn and break the lines.

This means his only thoughts are about controlling the incoming ball.

While he does fail at it, when he gets it right it's divine to watch.

His trap amd shift before his ball for CHO's goal was a sublime example of this. It completely turns the midfield battle from transition to attack, with the opposition midfield facing the wrong way.

That's all about self belief in his ability to manipulate an incoming ball.

But anyway, I'm getting carried away.
 

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
Not sure anyone really is qualified enough to answer here given the level anyone on here will have played is another world compared to PL football.
Oh, I don‘t know; I reckon the Dog & Duck could have given this seasons‘ Sheff United a game!
 

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
Remember Eugene Bopp - massive things expected of him from an early age due to his technical level iirc. Didn't he have a good career after converting to full back?
Rotherham, Crewe, Carl Zeiss Jena and York City?
 

Notcher

Stuart Pearce
I get the steps ahead thing, specifically I'm looking at the way he consistently sells his marker - is it body movement prior to receiving of just really good spacial awareness do you think?

My own 'career' was based on blood, thunder, hurting people and pretending not to be hurt.
He's constantly doing two things, he sells the player with his body shape and also using what the opponent expects him to do against him. That leads to a half step where the opponents body weight is completely thrown the opposite direction to which MGW spins. As I mentioned, his centre of gravity is insanely low so he's able to counter it but it's the speed he's able to do it too.
 

MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
I think we're both skirting around the same thing. It's what separates players. I've played with many lads who were easily good enough technically to play professionally and undoubtedly you have but what separated them is their speed of thought and ability to see the picture quicker.

Yeah unfortunately for me my speed of thought and ability to see the picture was pretty good it was the technical side of the game which I struggled with. Controlling a ball in the air: Shite. Result: Not a pro. :LOL:
 

Gyros Peter

Sauce salad?
He's constantly doing two things, he sells the player with his body shape and also using what the opponent expects him to do against him. That leads to a half step where the opponents body weight is completely thrown the opposite direction to which MGW spins. As I mentioned, his centre of gravity is insanely low so he's able to counter it but it's the speed he's able to do it too.
The speed at which he does it makes it hard to analyse in real time too!

The level of some of the players these days is ridiculous - I remember a time where you look at some of it and think you could almost, at your very best, play a part. These days I look and wonder how id last more than three minutes: I'd be sent off in no time for a mardy leveller.
 
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