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Viv Anderson
1st choice left back as soon as he is fit.
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Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
Definitely with Wood - double figures this season and a game that doesn't rely on pace. I'd give him two years.
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
Aren't Wood's wages meant to be huge though? (rumoured 90k/wk)
Depends what league we're in as to whether we can resign him or not really. In the likely event we're back in the Champ, then I don't think we'll have a choice in the matter tbh.
Notcher
Stuart Pearce
The average PL weekly salary is around £60k PW and it's always going to be higher for a striker. There's the odd one that won't be the highest earner that's not a striker or someone that has a "highest earner" clause in their contract but by and large it will usually be a striker. Finding one on less than Wood won't be easy
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
Agreed, especially with our recruiters.
GOBIAS
Ian Bowyer
Wood for an extra year will cost maybe £4m ish. If he’d been fit all season he probably gets 15 goals this season. He also seems a good sort, one of the senior pros and we know what we get. Unless there is an amazing option on a free who isn’t gonna get snaffled by someone else it makes sense to extend him. He’d also do well in championship if it came to that.
Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
The irony being they were pretty widely criticised for bringing the player in we are talking about extending.
youreds1986
Geoff Thomas
I think the question is, do we keep both Wood and Taiwo given both struggling to be available for selection? Either would be too expensive as third option (when we play one up top) and I'd be really fearful if we haven't brought in another striker as I have no faith in those two being fit.
But on the face of it, keeping the second top per minute goalscorer in the PL is a no brainer.
Ashley
Steve Chettle
Not just wages to consider, but also the transfer fees involved in replacing these players too.
In an ideal world I'd prefer to replace the likes of Boly and Wood with younger players. But given our financial situation, it makes sense to extend their contracts as it will be far cheaper than replacing them.
In an ideal world I'd prefer to replace the likes of Boly and Wood with younger players. But given our financial situation, it makes sense to extend their contracts as it will be far cheaper than replacing them.
GOBIAS
Ian Bowyer
Wood was run in to the ground through January which probably hasn’t helped.
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
Rightly so too. Wood was an awful fit for Cooper's style. Having to change manager to compensate and get something from that deal is nothing to be happy about. It's a perfect example of how much the club lacks joined up thinking with it's recruitment strategies.
Hilarious how having to change an entire setup to make a signing work is viewed as good recruitment lol.
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Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
Just because he failed to use him correctly doesn't make him an awful fit, and you don't always want/need a drop in replacement - although granted, I always feel we were/are a more like for like striker short.
Edit: I'll add that, as much as I love him, Cooper's use of Wood was baffling.
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
You buy the players for the manager, not give him players which don't suit him. That's not the managers fault, that's the recruiters.
Let's go and get Nuno some slow, strong wingers who like to play tight to the center eh? That would be awesome recruitment when he can't use them to decent effect either, and we can say they're excellent when we have to change everything round to get them firing!
Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
Nope! Give a coach a proven premier league goalscorer and it's down to the him to get the best out of him. Treating him as a Taiwo drop in was ridiculous - he has different attributes... and I'd suggest that for a forward that's a plus within a squad, since it allows for a different approach.
What I will agree with is that, even with Wood, we were still a more mobile striker short.
youreds1986
Geoff Thomas
We may not like it, but that's not how football has worked for about 20 years.
Managers have to get the most out of players. Wood is the second best goalscorer per minute this year in the PL.
Cooper failing to utilise that ability is absolutely a failure on his part.
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
Ah, so clubs have been targeting and buying players which don't suit the manager. Got you. My mistake.
Looking forward to seeing us give Nuno a lot of players who don't suit him this Summer so the next guy can use them better.
youreds1986
Geoff Thomas
Clubs have been buying players they think are quality players (yes with some thought as to current manager but certainly not that being the overriding criteria).
Players are more costly than managers and the average managerial life span is tiny these days. Clubs can't afford to turn over their playing staff every time a manager moves on.
And regardless if a manager can't use a goalscorer, that's a major problem.
vertigored
First Team Squad
Has Aina met up with the national squad or has he stayed here?
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
Oh I agree with your first claim, but most do so with a view to the current manager in charge being able to use them too.
There's a reason Davis and Surridge fit straight into the side like a glove, and Wood didn't. That's because Murphy was getting players to suit Coops and his style, whereas the current lot weren't.
Putting that all on the manager is a bit laughable tbh.
youreds1986
Geoff Thomas
I'm not putting it all on Cooper. There are 1000s of other issues.a
But surely you have to accept that him being unable to correctly utilise a player that is now the second most effective goal scorer in the PL is a significant failure on his part?
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
Oh I definitely think Coops could have done better with him, but with how Coops setup I wasn't surprised it didn't work either. Coops needs an Awoniyi/Davis bulker option for his MO to work. Wood isn't that.
Robertson
Geoff Thomas
Because they were playing in the second division?
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
Nope, because Murphy was well aware that Coops style benefitted from having a bulker like Davis up top, and a natural finisher as a backup, occasional/last 20 option. Wood isn't a bulker, Awoniyi is but was injured. Another bulker is what was needed for Coops. Fortunately, because he's a great manager anyway, we stayed up regardless, largely down to said bulker - Awoniyi - making his return.
Division has nothing to do with it. It's simply about stylistic fit.
BryanRoy22
Ian Bowyer
I think it's testament to Dane Murphy that he was employed by 2 struggling Championship clubs and within a short space of time, put a structure in place to turn their fortunes around. With Barnsley and Forest both achieving unlikely playoff finishes.
Barnsley's January transfer window business in that playoff season was impressive, bringing in Daryl Dike on loan and Carlton Morris (now playing regularly in the Premier League) on a permanent basis. Those 2 strikers scored important goals towards the end of the season.
The season immediately after Dane left the club, Barnsley finished rock bottom of the Championship and were relegated.
That same season (the season Forest were promoted), with Dane's influence clear to see again, 2 strikers were signed in the January transfer window who were key to the push for the playoffs. Keinan Davis and Sam Sturridge. As with the 2 strikers signed by Barnsley, both played a huge part in getting Forest up the league table.
I'm very surprised another struggling Championship club has not employed him.
Barnsley's January transfer window business in that playoff season was impressive, bringing in Daryl Dike on loan and Carlton Morris (now playing regularly in the Premier League) on a permanent basis. Those 2 strikers scored important goals towards the end of the season.
The season immediately after Dane left the club, Barnsley finished rock bottom of the Championship and were relegated.
That same season (the season Forest were promoted), with Dane's influence clear to see again, 2 strikers were signed in the January transfer window who were key to the push for the playoffs. Keinan Davis and Sam Sturridge. As with the 2 strikers signed by Barnsley, both played a huge part in getting Forest up the league table.
I'm very surprised another struggling Championship club has not employed him.
Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
Neither was Surridge. Or Grabban for that matter.
Where I feel recruitment did fail was bringing in another option in similar mould to Taiwo - two strikers is at least one too few. Money though, and I guess that the club felt if they could only bring in one, and that one came with a decent record as Wood did, the manager would be able to set us up to get a tune from him. It's not hard - get crosses in and a midfielder or two closer to him.
I'm not having Wood as poor recruitment though - he's proven himself not be when used effectively this year, by Cooper as well as Nuno (Luton) though the end spell (and most notably v Everton) he definitely did not.
And sadly for Cooper, who I wanted to succeed as much as anyone, his use of Wood, last season and at times this, was off.