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EmmersonForest4

Steve Chettle
All this shows is utter shite organisation behind the scenes. How on earth was this not all tracked and checked out with the relevant authorities. I despair at the ownership, I gave them so much credit for getting cooper after years of disorganised crap. Now it’s all reverted to type.
 
Bournemouth were probably allowed to exlude promotion bonuses.
That should be readded back then.

Don't forget Fulham, -£148m in the period ending 2021-22 as the Pre Tax Loss starting point. Excluding Promotion Bonuses from the season ending 2021-22 makes it rather interesting IMO.

Best case scenario-£128m Pre Tax Loss coming into last season.
 

Alf-engelos Mindminackers

The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
I watched the Kieran Mcguire interview on Forest Fan TV. He states we'll have raise 30ish million before June. He also points out that everyone knows this so low offers will be the order of the day. The Premier league is such a rigged, depressing place
It is....but....maybe the current setup we can try buying good players for less, like Mangala too? Rather than worse for more like Sangare?

And, instead of taking designer Instagram punts like Lingard, we use our Prem status to could grab some genuine young talent from other clubs having to sell, and develop them over time into quality first team ones, like we did BJ?

You know...an actual long term plan...instead of impulsively panic buying and then sacking everyone beneath you when the problems and mess that causes threaten to relegate you.

Just a thought.
 

BryanRoy22

Ian Bowyer
It is....but....maybe the current setup we can try buying good players for less, like Mangala too? Rather than worse for more like Sangare?

And, instead of taking designer Instagram punts like Lingard, we use our Prem status to could grab some genuine young talent from other clubs having to sell, and develop them over time into quality first team ones, like we did BJ?

You know...an actual long term plan...instead of impulsively panic buying and then sacking everyone beneath you when the problems and mess that causes threaten to relegate you.

Just a thought.
When Dane Murphy was let go, I knew at that time the job for Cooper would become 100x harder. Structure thrown out the window.

Another reason I’ll have the greatest respect for that man. How he kept the club up last season with all the challenges thrown at him is anyone’s guess. How he got the club promoted the season before is anyone’s guess.

A complete one-off.
 

Malwood

Geoff Thomas
I don't think the Jesse Lingard purchase shows a lack of strategic thinking - he was an England player with a big track record and recent great form at West Ham. We paid a load of money to get him hoping he would be the linchpin of our team, but we were smart enough to do it on a short-term deal. That's pretty strategic to me.

Obviously the missing piece was the unfortunately incorrect prediction of his remaining footballing ability and future contribution on the pitch. Which is somewhat key, I'll grant you.
 

MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
Can you let us know now much he has creamed off in your opinion?

There are different phases of a company's growth.

Forest aren't in a position yet whereby they can rake in PL revenue, not spend much on transfers but still finish comfortably away from relegation like a Palace or Wolves.

But that will be the target, at which point Marinakis can fill his boots.

I'm not sure why this is controversial to you, this is how 99% of large businesses operate.
 

Malwood

Geoff Thomas
There are different phases of a company's growth.

Forest aren't in a position yet whereby they can rake in PL revenue, not spend much on transfers but still finish comfortably away from relegation like a Palace or Wolves.

But that will be the target, at which point Marinakis can fill his boots.

I'm not sure why this is controversial to you, this is how 99% of large businesses operate.
I don't think Maranakis will have taken any money out of the club. His gain is all on paper in the huge increase in the value of the club.
 

MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
I don't think Maranakis will have taken any money out of the club. His gain is all on paper in the huge increase in the value of the club.

Absolutely he has hasn't taken any money out of the club... Yet.
 

REDDERS78

Jack Armstrong
All this shows is utter shite organisation behind the scenes. How on earth was this not all tracked and checked out with the relevant authorities. I despair at the ownership, I gave them so much credit for getting cooper after years of disorganised crap. Now it’s all reverted to type.
What do you mean exactly by "type". Are you talking about the 25 years without a pot to piss in or the Irving Scholar days perhaps?

Not sure what "type" you are referencing here.
 
There are different phases of a company's growth.

Forest aren't in a position yet whereby they can rake in PL revenue, not spend much on transfers but still finish comfortably away from relegation like a Palace or Wolves.

But that will be the target, at which point Marinakis can fill his boots.

I'm not sure why this is controversial to you, this is how 99% of large businesses operate.
It is not controversial to me. I just wanted you to advise now much he has taken out of the club at this point in time relation to his investment? Which is nothing so far as you have said.
As Malwood says his investment in the club has grown significantly due to the value of the club and that has benefited us all.
I know you have no time for EM( that is your perogative) but he is certainly not the Glazers who have rinsed Manure for cash.
Cloughie75 wrote very eloquently the other day and demonstrated why he is the best owner we have had in our 60 years of supporting our great club.
Will he continue to be that or do exactly as you say and fill his boots nobody knows, you can only judge on what he has done to date.
 

Rubics

Bin VAR!
If you offered him a trophy and getting nothing back or selling the club for £500m I suspect I know what he’d choose. He’s not a US investment fund, his motives are different.
(appreciate it’s unlikely to be a binary choice like that in the end but the point stands)
 

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
Is the media talk about the EPL wanting TO INCCREASE Forest’s point deduction simply shit stirring, or is it the EPL warning Forest away from appealing the 4 points? And does Maguire’s calculation of £30 million more profit needed reflect the profit on player sales already achieved? We made £47m on Brennan, and already have £10 million loan fee for Mangala, with more to come if he is sold. Also, we have a 2nd year of EPL loss allowed which is worth £22 million (£35 million less £13 million). That is approaching £100 million…
Are we really another £30 million in the mire?
 
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EmmersonForest4

Steve Chettle
What do you mean exactly by "type". Are you talking about the 25 years without a pot to piss in or the Irving Scholar days perhaps?

Not sure what "type" you are referencing here.
I’m talking about the years of rule before cooper and Murphy were appointed. Crap mendes signings, crap Oly signings that never changed. Baffling manager appointments and making Karanka walk out when he was getting a tune from the squad. Carvalho for 13 mill….. Multiple stories of debts not being paid. Chronyism in the board with either family members or ex Oly people and persisted with it when it wasn’t working. These are all symptoms of just being so disorganised and lacking any structure.
 

Alf-engelos Mindminackers

The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
I don't think the Jesse Lingard purchase shows a lack of strategic thinking - he was an England player with a big track record and recent great form at West Ham.
Again, fan thinking though. That shouldn't be the way pros think.

He should have been purchased on stuff such as detailed scouting data and play observation. And there's absolutely no way the Greeks employ either, else 17m wouldn't have been flushed away on Vlach & Turner this year.
 

REDDERS78

Jack Armstrong
I’m talking about the years of rule before cooper and Murphy were appointed. Crap mendes signings, crap Oly signings that never changed. Baffling manager appointments and making Karanka walk out when he was getting a tune from the squad. Carvalho for 13 mill….. Multiple stories of debts not being paid. Chronyism in the board with either family members or ex Oly people and persisted with it when it wasn’t working. These are all symptoms of just being so disorganised and lacking any structure.

Oh, when we were struggling in the Championship, yeah very familiar signs :ROFLMAO:

Love the Karanka story too, an absolute mardy little fart that runs off home every time he doesn't get what he wants, Karanka did us a favour!
 

EmmersonForest4

Steve Chettle
Oh, when we were struggling in the Championship, yeah very familiar signs :ROFLMAO:

Love the Karanka story too, an absolute mardy little fart that runs off home every time he doesn't get what he wants, Karanka did us a favour!
Karanka was ace when he was manager I felt the club let him down so much. Imagine getting crap mendes signings and Oly players foisted on you. Also yeah EM was just like Fawaz and Doughty however that dosen’t mean EM was good it just shows what poor ownership we’ve had for such a long time. EM is the best one we’ve had for ages but that dosen’t mean his disorganisation will hurt us. We may end up back to where we were through complete disorganisation.
 

Lord Wazzock

First Team Squad
Is the media talk about the EPL wanting Forest’s point deduction simply shit stirring, or is it the EPL warning Forest away from appealing the 4 points? And does Maguire’s calculation of £30 million more profit needed reflect the profit on player sales already achieved? We made £47m on Brennan, and already have £10 million loan fee for Mangala, with more to come if he is sold. Also, we have a 2nd year of EPL loss allowed which is worth £22 million (£35 million less £13 million). That is approaching £100 million…
Are we really another £30 million in the mire?
Mcguire seems fairly certain that this is after the BJ cash has been taken into account. Another player has to be sacrificed to the higher football gods.
 

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
Mcguire seems fairly certain that this is after the BJ cash has been taken into account. Another player has to be sacrificed to the higher football gods.
Has to be done though, can’t have Forest getting too big for their boots, as a small club, and threatening such established mid-table Titans like Crystal Palace and Wolverhampton Wanderers.
 

REDDERS78

Jack Armstrong
Karanka was ace when he was manager I felt the club let him down so much. Imagine getting crap mendes signings and Oly players foisted on you. Also yeah EM was just like Fawaz and Doughty however that dosen’t mean EM was good it just shows what poor ownership we’ve had for such a long time. EM is the best one we’ve had for ages but that dosen’t mean his disorganisation will hurt us. We may end up back to where we were through complete disorganisation.
Well lets just keep our fingers crossed dude. Hopefully we can get that siege mentality to survive and buck our ideas up pretty sharpish.

I've made no secret about how depressing I find this division and all the hyperbole and junk that comes with it, or the fact that I don't particularly enjoy going very much these days.

I do however feel a bit like a bear that's been poked over this deduction and I'm hoping the players do to. I genuinely hope this is a lesson the club can learn from. I'm looking forward to next Saturday already and I've not said that in a while.
 

Erik

oopsy daisy!
LTLF Minion
What do you mean exactly by "type". Are you talking about the 25 years without a pot to piss in or the Irving Scholar days perhaps?

Not sure what "type" you are referencing here.
In fairness, given that an independent commission were very critical of Forest for their inability to provide documentation because everything seemed to be done verbally and not documented it is not unreasonable to suggest that we are not as well run as we could be.

There seems to be no internal audit trail on why decisions are made.

Marinakis seems to run Forest in the same way Boris Johnson ran his government. Perhaps without the backhanders and sleaze though.
 

YouReds43

First Team Squad
Mangala deal will be made permanent for 25m end of season, that represents a profit of 18m. So We aren’t under pressure to sell a big player.
stay up and we can offer Wood a new contract that would reduce our amortisation costs from 15 to 7.5m.
That is already a 25m profit and we are then probably back in line with rules

A sale of Murillo probably funds new signings
 

Cloughie1975

John Robertson
Is the media talk about the EPL wanting Forest’s point deduction simply shit stirring, or is it the EPL warning Forest away from appealing the 4 points? And does Maguire’s calculation of £30 million more profit needed reflect the profit on player sales already achieved? We made £47m on Brennan, and already have £10 million loan fee for Mangala, with more to come if he is sold. Also, we have a 2nd year of EPL loss allowed which is worth £22 million (£35 million less £13 million). That is approaching £100 million…
Are we really another £30 million in the mire?
Do you mean the EPL wanting Forest’s points deduction INCREASED,Captain?
If so,where is this appearing?
 
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