Red Dog in a Forest
Viv Anderson
After amortisation. That’s £22m profit.
Amazing business from our side.
Amazing business from our side.
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Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
And I doubt the, if he comes back without an injury, he's gonna want to bust a gut for the people who didn't want him here too.
No, it isn‘t, as there is a sell-on clause due to VfB Stuttgart as part of the original deal to buy him.
Berkshire Red
Jack Armstrong
Some really believed we were getting €35m from a French club other than PSG!!
The merits of the deal will fall on what the actual transfer fee ends up being agreed at, plus we need to follow this up and reinvest that cash in a good keeper now.
People know my views on Mangala, but a sale just for the sake of it would be a poor move in our position, unless as said the money is too good to refuse and we use that to strengthen a major area of weakness.
People know my views on Mangala, but a sale just for the sake of it would be a poor move in our position, unless as said the money is too good to refuse and we use that to strengthen a major area of weakness.
Ashley
Steve Chettle
Crap deal confirmed:
youreds1986
Geoff Thomas
The fact it's being reported as a formality, and they are paying 10m just for the loan means this is good business, highly unlikely he loses 10m of value in 5 months of playing regularly there. Seems structured that way for some kind of FFP reporting reason.
Overall fee is about 21.5m quid, which for me is at least 5m too low. But my guess is they had us over a barrell as they knew we needed to sell to finance a keeper.
I'd have rather kept him at that price, but if it allows us the financial headroom to bring in a keeper then it's worth it.
Overall fee is about 21.5m quid, which for me is at least 5m too low. But my guess is they had us over a barrell as they knew we needed to sell to finance a keeper.
I'd have rather kept him at that price, but if it allows us the financial headroom to bring in a keeper then it's worth it.
MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
Don't think it's crap.
£8m for a six month loan fee is good, £20m+ (loan fee included) for permanent transfer if they exercise it is decent.
If they don't exercise the deal, we can sell to new club at £20m and we'll have received £28m in total.
That's ok.
Ashley
Steve Chettle
The problem is the structure of the deal.
£21m guaranteed isn't terrible (though its not great either), but £8.5m plus a note saying "we owe you £12.5m... maybe... if we feel like it..." written in crayon on a scrunched up bit of paper is terrible.
Ultimately, we can't make any decisions or plans around that £12.5m option as we have no idea if we'll ever receive it.
And that's before we even consider the risk of Mangala's value being reduced by injury or doing badly at Lyon.
We needed guaranteed cash (via a permanent deal or obligation), not a deal based on ifs, buts and maybes.
£21m guaranteed isn't terrible (though its not great either), but £8.5m plus a note saying "we owe you £12.5m... maybe... if we feel like it..." written in crayon on a scrunched up bit of paper is terrible.
Ultimately, we can't make any decisions or plans around that £12.5m option as we have no idea if we'll ever receive it.
And that's before we even consider the risk of Mangala's value being reduced by injury or doing badly at Lyon.
We needed guaranteed cash (via a permanent deal or obligation), not a deal based on ifs, buts and maybes.
Monkman
Grenville Morris
It does say the buy option is considered a formality, so I guess they have to take a calculated gamble.
He could just as easily get injured for Forest, so I don't see how that's different.
He could just as easily get injured for Forest, so I don't see how that's different.
Ashley
Steve Chettle
I read that as the overall deal being a formality, rather than the option being triggered.
And it's different because we'd be handing control of our asset to another club. It's incredibly risky business IMO.
donny
Grenville Morris
Is it? Or is it a way of ensuring we see more money, whilst Stuttgart get a sell on?
£10m up front + £15m mandatory in June (with 10% of 15m to Stuttgart), is a far better option than giving Stuttgart £2.8m on the deal now.
It also allows us some headroom.
The VfB will also be due 10% of that fee as a sell-on!
DizzyBala
Jack Armstrong
What’s the point in that then? Only reason I’d resigned myself to seeing him go is because we were getting a fat wedge out of it.
Not only do we only get some of the money now, it’s not even that great of a deal for losing arguably our best central midfielder.
Not only do we only get some of the money now, it’s not even that great of a deal for losing arguably our best central midfielder.
Certainly the most consistent midfield performer this season, that’s for sure.
And as yet, I am not sure that Sangare and Danilo are consistent and disciplined enough to sit in front of the defence, but they’re going to have to, and they’re going to have to make it work.
Now I’m confused - €10m with a potential €15m is a lot different to €35 plus €5.
That deal is a LOT shitter than we were led to believe
Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
If the buy clause is a formality it's about book keeping surely? We've cash in the bank for this accounting period with the BJ sale so I'm not against it.
Price wise the talk of 40m was a bit over excited. 25m euros is OK - I was hoping for offers above that in pounds.
Anyhow, liked him as a player and wish him well.
Price wise the talk of 40m was a bit over excited. 25m euros is OK - I was hoping for offers above that in pounds.
Anyhow, liked him as a player and wish him well.
Robertson
Geoff Thomas
By some random on twitter
youreds1986
Geoff Thomas
Could be that we asked for the deal to be structured that way so that we have enough to cover anticipated spends tomorrow (FFP) and then the rest gets moved into the next accounting window?
Again, a lot depends on the option and if there's triggers there etc.
But it Mangala isn't part of Nunos plans, getting 8m guaranteed for him for 4 or so months is good business if that allows us to buy a keeper or a winger.
Again, a lot depends on the option and if there's triggers there etc.
But it Mangala isn't part of Nunos plans, getting 8m guaranteed for him for 4 or so months is good business if that allows us to buy a keeper or a winger.
Robertson
Geoff Thomas
It’s either a sale at €25m, which isn’t €35m, but lets be honest here, seems much more realistic. Or €10m and we get him back next season, which considering many don’t want to sell him at all, also seems ok. Especially if can get in a goalkeeper in the interim.
Not really. Florian Plettenberg isn’t some random or sorry should I phrase that as no more random than Fab
I don’t think €10m for our best midfielder, when we are in a relegation dog fight, and getting him back when we could be in the championship is worth it personally. Which is why a higher fee was more palatable (regardless if you think it was unrealistic it was what was reported).
As you say if this has been done to get in a keeper then it may well pay off.
Robertson
Geoff Thomas
Ok fair enough, but one or both of them are wrong here, and more importantly the club itself have said nothing yet, so we haven’t been led to believe anything.