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What position do you think we will finish in the league this season?

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EmmersonForest4

Steve Chettle
atrophy said:
You mention our starting eleven is weaker in almost every post. I don't understand how you can come to that conclusion already?

What have Turner, Aina and Elanga done to make you sure they're not as good as Henderson, Lodi and Johnson?
What do they have to do to change your mind?

Personally I think they've all been really good thus far and I'm more than happy with all 3, I'm reasonably confident once they're all bedded in they'll equal, if not surpass their predecessors. (Elanga already has 2 goal contributions in not too many minutes, Johnson had 11 total last year).
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I’ve seen nothing of Turner to suggest he’s better than Henderson. In fact his command of his are is no where near as good as hendos. However he’s not out a foot wrong yet. So for him to be better in my opinion he needs to commands his area and pull off some worldie saves. He’s made some good ones already and it’s not his fault as well cause he’s not had much chance. I want to see him have some saves like hendo last year against van Dijk from the corner.

Aina has not played to the pedigree of Lodi and from what I’ve seen at Fulham and Forest he has reached lodis level.

Elanga also hasn’t reached jonnos level yet with his output especially playing in a superior United side. However I did say in the Elanga thread he does look techinally better than Jonno. However he needs to show output now. He should have squared it today. That maybe an assist he’s missed out on there due to decision making.
 
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EmmersonForest4

Steve Chettle
Omar Devone Little said:
Yeah we seem to have it nailed down at the moment away to the big sides. It obviously won't work all the time as the quality and resources we're competing against is immense but there's a formula there that will gain us the odd point or 3.

At home though, particularly against the poorer sides in the division there's no need for us to sit back and give them the freedom of Nottingham to pop it about. Earlier Cooper spoke about tactical flexibility and I hope taking it to teams at home a bit more is what he's got in mind.
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That’s what warmed my cockles a bit at the end of the game cooper said he has the ability now to change formations for different situations. Cooper has also said not just me but I’m negative apparently that Sheff United game and Burnley games performances were not very good. So I think he knows that we need to do more. With Felipe and Niakhate back plus sangare. We may also find we maybe able to play the 352 like we did in the champ at home and get more success. Worrall, McKenna and Yates are really players to have when you want to dictate to the other side. I can see a Williams and Tavares getting high up the pitch with sangare Niakhate Felipe and Boly covering them and we can push higher up due there technical skill and pace. That’s something I can envisage.
 
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atrophy

A. Trialist
EmmersonForest4 said:
I’ve seen nothing of Turner to suggest he’s better than Henderson. In fact his command of his are is no where near as good as hendos. However he’s not out a foot wrong yet. So for him to be better in my opinion he needs to commands his area and pull off some worldie saves. He’s made some good ones already and it’s not his fault as well cause he’s not had much chance. I want to see him have some saves like hendo last year against van Dijk from the corner.

Aina has not played to the pedigree of Lodi and from what I’ve seen at Fulham and Forest he has reached lodis level.

Elanga also hasn’t reached jonnos level yet with his output especially playing in a superior United side. However I did say in the Elanga thread he does look techinally better than Jonno. However he needs to show output now. He should have squared it today. That maybe an assist he’s missed out on there due to decision making.
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I think his command of his area is fine, and not a particular weakness. I'll respond with his distribution looks better at this early stage. Swings and roundabouts and too early to decide. I do think Hendo could end up being the better keeper btw but too early to call it a definite.

Regardless if Lodi has played at a higher level does that make him better by default?

I love Brennan, I wish he was still here and he may well turn out to be the better player, however last season he had a goal contribution every 267 minutes, so far this season Elanga has a goal contribution every 42 minutes.

You may end up being right and these 3 may not end up reaching the levels of Hendo, Lodi and Johnson, my point is we can't possibly know for sure yet either way, yet you trot it out as fact on almost every post. Give them a chance!
 
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marshal99

John Robertson
As long as it's not near the relegation zone , whatever position is fine. As predicted , the 3 promoted teams are struggling as they adapted to this level followed by dyche's Everton , Gary o'neill wolves who has sold a lot of their stars and O'Neill former team, Bournemouth who has a new coach who is going to take some time to adjust but their squad is still strong and lastly, the billion dollar Chelsea who are snapping up youngsters with potential for premium prices but lack of experience seemed to be their downfall and poch won't be given much time to remedy that.
 
Captain Sinister

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
Anywhere above 18th will do me fine, for now.
With SC. EM, and the squad now assembled I would limit think somewhere between 14th and 10th is possible.
Will that be enough for EM?
 
Strummer

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
Captain Sinister said:
Anywhere above 18th will do me fine, for now.
With SC. EM, and the squad now assembled I would limit think somewhere between 14th and 10th is possible.
Will that be enough for EM?
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Consolidation. That’s the aim this season.

Secure a mid-table place, then, next season, push on for the European places.
 
thehockleyhustler

thehockleyhustler

Stuart Pearce
Captain Sinister said:
Anywhere above 18th will do me fine, for now.
With SC. EM, and the squad now assembled I would limit think somewhere between 14th and 10th is possible.
Will that be enough for EM?
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17th would be a failure with the squad we have and the competition in the league this season.

Marinakis is right, too many Forest fan accept mediocre as success.

Anywhere above 15th is a decent season for me. We should however be aiming to get inside that top 10 either this season or next.

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Monkman

Monkman

Grenville Morris
17th would be a little disappointing, but in no way a failure. We've only just got back into the undisputed toughest league in the world after practically a quarter of a century out of it. I think we shouldn't overestimate our squad either - it looks stronger than last year's on paper, but we've lost one of our best players and many of the incoming signings have never played in the PL. We know how that can pan out (or not). Again, I'd hope we'd finish significantly higher than 17th - I think around 12th is attainable with a favourable wind - but 17th would be OK by me.
 
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MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
thehockleyhustler said:
17th would be a failure with the squad we have and the competition in the league this season.

Marinakis is right, too many Forest fan accept mediocre as success.

Anywhere above 15th is a decent season for me. We should however be aiming to get inside that top 10 either those season or next.

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Where we finish is irrelevant as long as it's not in the bottom three and assuming we aren't getting into Europe.

The primary objective is securing PL revenue next year. That is achieved by finishing 17th.

What would be nice to see is evolution of the side so that you can start to see how we could, over the long term, climb the table, but that's a nice to have not a demand.

If Marinakis thinks that is accepting mediocrity then I would suggest that is Marinakis demonstrating his hubris not ambition. Reality doesn't care about ambition. We are what we are, a recently returned side that still needs to become established at this level.
 
Major Oak Morgan

Major Oak Morgan

First Team Squad
marshal99 said:
As long as it's not near the relegation zone , whatever position is fine. As predicted , the 3 promoted teams are struggling as they adapted to this level followed by dyche's Everton , Gary o'neill wolves who has sold a lot of their stars and O'Neill former team, Bournemouth who has a new coach who is going to take some time to adjust but their squad is still strong and lastly, the billion dollar Chelsea who are snapping up youngsters with potential for premium prices but lack of experience seemed to be their downfall and poch won't be given much time to remedy that.
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I think you could add Fulham into the mix. Mitrovic and Willian both gone, Palhinha looks to be very upset about his 11th hour Bayern move collapsing. Reckon they could be bottom 6 material
 
Harvey

Harvey

Chrissy Cohen
Top half of the table should be the aim

But 17th and another season in the top flight would be enough; we're still a work in progress and the most important thing is being able to continue building in this league
 
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Berkshire Red

Jack Armstrong
We finished 16th last season so we have to build on that, anything below would be a failure. Aim for 10th but be accepting of anywhere down to 15th.

I suspect our home form will be worse than last season but our away from will be better.
 
Cureboy

Cureboy

Viv Anderson
I almost feel like this season is abit of a free hit; there are at least five worse teams than us so I think we'll finish at least 15th, however more important than the final league position for me is finding our strongest eleven and formation, whilst strengthening the squad which we have done already.

Next season we could be a force but this season I think 13-15th and I'm fine with that. Would like a decent run in the FA Cup, think we have a good enough squad now to get to the quarters at least.
 
Trents

Trents

John Robertson
Pre season I was all about making a few places up. Early signs coupled with our signing have raised expectation of course. I'd like to see us push on into that middle third, so 12th/13th would be a good return
 
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Cloughie1975

John Robertson
The bookmakers currently think there are 7 teams more likely to be relegated than Forest.
Given the recent additions-a mid/lower-mid finish seems eminently achievable.
 
Captain Sinister

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
I think most would agree with you that to not improve on last season would be failure of sorts.
If we do finish up 17th, we would have survived the "difficult 2nd season", but i would imagine EM would be looking seriously at replacing SC.
EM hasn't invested heavily again to see no progress year on year.
So, 15th or better has to be the target!
 
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MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
Captain Sinister said:
I think most would agree with you that to not improve on last season would be failure of sorts.
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I just don't understand this.

Progress doesn't have to be in one certain area, and it doesn't have to be linear.

We've come on so much in such a short period of time that a period of consolidation isn't a bad thing, and consoliditation might mean finishing a place or two lower than you did last season.

Don't get me wrong I think we should look to finish higher than we did last year because the league appears to be weaker than last year at the bottom anyway, and Forest appear on paper to be stronger than last year. A good start to the campaign will of course cement belief that we should finish higher.

But we I don't think we should expect it, even demand it. The Premier League is the most competitive league in the world. The teams we have to leapfrog to improve our finishing position are teams that have been here for years (like Wolves, Palace) or have spent as much as us (Bournemouth).

Labelling a season like last season as "failure" of any sort is the sort of language that helps Cooper get sacked if we do end up finishing 16th or 17th. Be careful.
 
Rzar

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
Captain Sinister said:
Anywhere above 18th will do me fine, for now.
With SC. EM, and the squad now assembled I would limit think somewhere between 14th and 10th is possible.
Will that be enough for EM?
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Captain Sinister said:
I think most would agree with you that to not improve on last season would be failure of sorts.
If we do finish up 17th, we would have survived the "difficult 2nd season", but i would imagine EM would be looking seriously at replacing SC.
EM hasn't invested heavily again to see no progress year on year.
So, 15th or better has to be the target!
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YES

Why do people paint him as some unreasonable buffoon.

The guy even said himself the goal for this season is to do a little bit better than last season, which is probably the expectation of everybody involved in the club & those supporting it.
 
Rzar

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
MaxiRobriguez said:
I just don't understand this.

Progress doesn't have to be in one certain area, and it doesn't have to be linear.

We've come on so much in such a short period of time that a period of consolidation isn't a bad thing, and consoliditation might mean finishing a place or two lower than you did last season.

Don't get me wrong I think we should look to finish higher than we did last year because the league appears to be weaker than last year at the bottom anyway, and Forest appear on paper to be stronger than last year. A good start to the campaign will of course cement belief that we should finish higher.

But we I don't think we should expect it, even demand it. The Premier League is the most competitive league in the world. The teams we have to leapfrog to improve our finishing position are teams that have been here for years (like Wolves, Palace) or have spent as much as us (Bournemouth).

Labelling a season like last season as "failure" of any sort is the sort of language that helps Cooper get sacked if we do end up finishing 16th or 17th. Be careful.
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Cooper emphasizes in almost every interview how much is going into to bring the club up to speed behind the scenes in infastructure and staffing.

The only thing that matters is staying in the league.
 
Harvey

Harvey

Chrissy Cohen
Remember as well that 17th would only be one place lower than we finished last season and should it happen it could be down to luck or dodgy VAR decisions as much as anything, it wouldn't necessarily mean we're going backwards

And if, as has been widely suggested, the teams that came up are worse this season that could mean more points for those teams above them, so assuming we do stay up I'd be more inclined to look at our points tally than our league position
 
Captain Sinister

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
MaxiRobriguez said:
I just don't understand this.

Progress doesn't have to be in one certain area, and it doesn't have to be linear.

We've come on so much in such a short period of time that a period of consolidation isn't a bad thing, and consoliditation might mean finishing a place or two lower than you did last season.

Don't get me wrong I think we should look to finish higher than we did last year because the league appears to be weaker than last year at the bottom anyway, and Forest appear on paper to be stronger than last year. A good start to the campaign will of course cement belief that we should finish higher.

But we I don't think we should expect it, even demand it. The Premier League is the most competitive league in the world. The teams we have to leapfrog to improve our finishing position are teams that have been here for years (like Wolves, Palace) or have spent as much as us (Bournemouth).

Labelling a season like last season as "failure" of any sort is the sort of language that helps Cooper get sacked if we do end up finishing 16th or 17th. Be careful.
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I doubt whether me using the phrase "a failure of sorts" will be taken into account by EM when reviewing the future of SC.
And I deliberately chose the words "faulure of sorts" because there has been a significant investment last summer, last January, and now this summer in signings to improve the squad.
The squad members retained from last season, plus SC and his coaching team, have all grown into the Premier League style, and are better for it.
Personally, I would be a bit disappointed if we didn't improve our league position, but survival is still the most crucial consideration.
Running to stand still is still a worry.
Just long will forest be able to attract the quality players to strengthen the squad if the end result is to continue to finish each season in 17th position?
 
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MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
Rzar said:
Cooper emphasizes in almost every interview how much is going into to bring the club up to speed behind the scenes in infastructure and staffing.

The only thing that matters is staying in the league.
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That's the thing.

Staying up is clearly the number one priority.

After that you can argue loads of different things: Improving the youth set-up, balancing FFP concerns, stadium redevelopment (maybe even some running water), more/better coaching staff, non-football commercial activities etc etc etc.

Finishing higher than last year is in that mixer too, but it's not the be all and end all.
 
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MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
Captain Sinister said:
I doubt whether me using the phrase "a failure of sorts" will be taken into account by EM when reviewing the future of SC.
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Not you personally Captain but if becomes a collective opinion then it'll give Marinakis the belief the fans are on his side and he may think about his decision less than he otherwise would.

You may argue that he doesn't care what the fans think but evidence from last season probably shows otherwise.
 
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